Quintana to the Cubs

[redstorm]

Cubs acquire Jose Quintana from WhiteSox for Eloy Jiménez, Dylan Cease, Matt Rose and Bryant Flete.

 

Pretty high price tag, Cubs top two prospects in Jiménez and Cease.

[Seth Stohs]

I often get asked what a comparable Twins deal might be...

 

The Twins don't have a prospect that's as highly touted as Eloy Jimenez, unless you want to say Byron Buxton.

 

So, the best I could come up with is:

 

Nick Gordon, Fernando Romero, Zander Wiel and Nelson Molina. 

[bluechipper]

Interesting that the White Sox would work with the Cubs like this. 

 

The White Sox are almost looking like an Astros-like rebuild with the talent they now have in their pipeline.

[Mike Sixel]

Twins couldn't match that, no way.

[jimmer]

Cubs are loaded with young talent. They can easily afford this for a very good low cost pitcher and barely miss a beat. I think Cease could be special eventually though. Good job by the Cubs. Very good trade for them.

[markos]

 

Twins couldn't match that, no way.

Yep. More evidence to my contention that the Twins just can't compete for elite players on the trade market right now.

[Bob Sacamento]

As a Cubs fan, I'll gladly take this deal and with the control they have over Quintana and the price tag this is much easier to swallow than trading Torres, McKinney for 3 months of Chapman.

 

The Cubs still have Jeimer Candelerio who's not a slouch either and has no positional availability on the club as well.

[Mike Sixel]

 

As a Cubs fan, I'll gladly take this deal and with the control they have over Quintana and the price tag this is much easier to swallow than trading Torres, McKinney for 3 months of Chapman.

 

Tough pill to swallow, but they have depth, they are young, and they have control of Quintana. Much better move than a ST rental, imo.

[gunnarthor]

Wow, nice work by the White Sox. Quintana is having his worst season and pitchers are always risky.

[kab21]

It might be that this board underrates Quintana and his cheap contract. 

[jud6312]

The Sox are absolutely stacked with rotation potential now. Wow.

 

Kopech and Cease alone make me drool.

[FunnyPenguin]

A trade of this caliber would pretty much empty the middle and the top of the twins farm system of good talent.  Watch out for the Sox!

[Taildragger8791]

It's crazy what good pitching goes for these days. Making that trade for the Twins basically wipes out our farm system above A ball, aside from relief pitchers and 1-2 borderline top 100 guys. Those remaining guys then pretty much have to succeed or the big league club would go a couple years without much support from the farm again. Big risk, but possibly still worth taking for a pitcher like that.

[gunnarthor]

So does this trade increase Santana's trade value or is he still not worth anything? 

[kab21]

 

It's crazy what good pitching goes for these days. Making that trade for the Twins basically wipes out our farm system above A ball, aside from relief pitchers and 1-2 borderline top 100 guys. Those remaining guys then pretty much have to succeed or the big league club would go a couple years without much support from the farm again. Big risk, but possibly still worth taking for a pitcher like that.

Right now the big league club isn't getting any support from its rotation. At some point the Twins are going to have to make a big, risky move. I wouldn't have tried to win this bidding war but the Twins can't afford to back away from every potential trade target due to high prospect cost or every FA due to every too big contract.

[amjgt]

OK....

 

Santana's available

 

[kab21]

 

So does this trade increase Santana's trade value or is he still not worth anything? 

Quintana is 28 and has been a fair amount better than Santana and doesn't have damaged UCL (many years ago).

Santana's value remains the same. Maybe a top 50 prospect and a lesser prospect or two. Good return but not great especially for a team that needs pitching.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Theo traded prospects? 

[KirbyDome89]

In less than 2 years the Sox have put together an enviable group of SP prospects and rebuilt a farm system. The Twins haven't been able to put together even a mediocre amount of pitching talent in 6+ years....SAD

 

Oh, and are we still convinced that pitching isn't overpriced at the deadline?

[Taildragger8791]

 

Right now the big league club isn't getting any support from its rotation. At some point the Twins are going to have to make a big, risky move. I wouldn't have tried to win this bidding war but the Twins can't afford to back away from every potential trade target due to high prospect cost or every FA due to every too big contract.

 

I don't disagree. The problem is, even though many here try to sugarcoat it, our farm system has fallen down a few pegs and we don't even have the ammunition to pull off a trade like this without emptying most of the pipeline for the next 2 years.  You better be sure it's the right move to get you deep into the playoffs or it'll hurt for a while.

[gunnarthor]

 

In less than 2 years the Sox have put together an enviable group of SP prospects and rebuilt a farm system. The Twins haven't been able to put together even a mediocre amount of pitching talent in 6+ years....SAD

 

Oh, and are we still convinced that pitching isn't overpriced at the deadline?

Eh, I know people need to rip on the Twins but Berrios was a damn good prospect. I think he should at least count as mediocre.  I do like your Trump-like "... SAD" thing though.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Eh, I know people need to rip on the Twins but Berrios was a damn good prospect. I think he should at least count as mediocre.  I do like your Trump-like "... SAD" thing though.

 

I think it was "amount" there....so 1 isn't a lot of amount. And I'd agree with that.

[dbminn]

The top two prospects in the trade have serious potential. Still, I'm surprised the Cubs didn't have to add a third prospect from their top 30.

 

I would've traded the four Seth mentioned for Quintana. 

 

 

[biggentleben]

Not surprising the Sox went for this over some of the "depth" deals that have been mentioned rumored going back to offseason. Hahn has said they want to go for top-end guys when they make a deal, not a spread of guys. However, I do like that in every deal they've picked up a flyer guy that I could really see turning out well. Rose in this deal has some prodigious right-handed power, and if he could polish his zone judgement, he could be a big bat for the middle of an order. Could never develop that zone judgement and be nothing as well, but a good flyer at the back of a deal like this.

[KirbyDome89]

 

Eh, I know people need to rip on the Twins but Berrios was a damn good prospect. I think he should at least count as mediocre.  I do like your Trump-like "... SAD" thing though.

Not a "need," to do so, it's an objective view. In < 2 years of smart trades and drafting the Sox have acquired the type of pitching talent that wins divisions. Yes, it's sad to see Houston doing so well, and Chicago basically following their blueprint to success thus far, while the Twins have struggled to reach mediocrity. That isn't "ripping," them, it's pointing out the obvious. 

[nicksaviking]

Ugh, I liked it better when the White Sox had to build their team through pricey free agent deals. They haven't done well with that. Not looking forward to seeing Chicago become competitive with cheap controllable young guys. The money the young guys will save the team could be devastating for the KC, CLE and MIN when it comes to bringing in the big ticket and high priced hole fillers.

 

I never hear them mentioned, but they're going to have so much money to spend they could easily get Harper or Machado. Or both.

[Twinsoholic]

This is not going to happen as he Twins are in contention for the playoffs, but if they were to offer Santana what do you think the return would be?

[markos]

 

Ugh, I liked it better when the White Sox had to build their team through pricey free agent deals. They haven't done well with that. Not looking forward to seeing Chicago become competitive with cheap controllable young guys. The money the young guys will save the team could be devastating for the KC, CLE and MIN when it comes to bringing in the big ticket and high priced hole fillers.

 

I never hear them mentioned, but they're going to have so much money to spend they could easily get Harper or Machado. Or both.

They almost have to, right? Their position player pipeline is still really thin. Moancada and Jimenez are nice pieces (I guess like Buxton and Sano back in the day), but they don't really have any Gordons, Polancos, Keplers or even Rosarios also in the pipeline. Basically, if you broaden it to all 24-and-under position players (majors or minors), the Twins are way, way, way ahead of where the White Sox are.

[Brandon]

I just saw on mlbtraderumors that the cubs aquired Quintana for 4 prospects including a top 5 mlb prospect and their 2nd best prospect and 2 others. I dont know much about these prospects but this becomes a good gauge to see what a controllable starter is worth. I wanted to get your thoughts on the prospects and compare to ours and to other pitchers on the market.

[Mike Sixel]

 

They almost have to, right? Their position player pipeline is still really thin. Moancada and Jimenez are nice pieces (I guess like Buxton and Sano back in the day), but they don't really have any Gordons, Polancos, Keplers or even Rosarios also in the pipeline. Basically, if you broaden it to all 24-and-under position players (majors or minors), the Twins are way, way, way ahead of where the White Sox are.

 

The WS are less than 2 years into their attempt to rebuild, they seem to have made some strong progress by committing to one direction, and executing to that strategy. Add 1-3 really good drafts, any FA signings, and any international market moves, and they seem to be doing a solid job so far with this strategy.

 

The Twins are supposedly in year 4-5 of the rebuild, I'd expect them to be ahead.