Eddie Rosario Demoted to Rochester

[Danchat]

 

Can we option Molitor to AAA yet?......

I think he's out of options. IMO DFA'ing him is preferable so that we can open a 40 man roster spot.

[twinssouth]

This club is way to far away from competence, let alone contention to even consider trading any prospects away.

If the choice is Grossman for nothing but money and a 40 spot or trading actual prospects for an insignificant veteran OF'er, I'll drive Robbie over from Rochester myself.

 

 

Make sense

[LaBombo]

 

Between the very poor performance and the mental mistakes, he really doesn't deserve to stay in the majors.

 

 

What you're saying would be the easy call in a vacuum,   but this year I'm not sure you could apply that standard and find 25 players in the Minnesota Twins organization who DO deserve to be in the majors.

[Mr. Brooks]

May, Meyer, Polanco are on the two-tier carousel, also. Duffey probably still feels like he will suffer from a few bad games more than veteran pitchers would.

 

A few years ago, Liam Hendriks and Hicks were on it, as was Pinto, until his concussions. Danny Valencia was handled oddly (from "You're a starter against everyone;" to "you're out of here for nothing, just go").

 

This doesn't include lesser prospects, such as D. Santana and Parmalee.

 

Bartlett, Dozier, Garza fought through it. Of course, two of them were traded in their prime years.

 

Differently, but still odd, was how Slowey and Scott Baker had to deal with public challenges to their manhood.

 

After a while, despite the Zeusian effects of Torii Hunter, management has set a culture.

You are forgetting Gardy's personal whipping boy, Carlos Gomez.

Also the standards he seemed to set for the guy we traded Gomez for, JJ Hardy. Hardy had a legit injury and Gardy couldn't run him out of town fast enough for not being tough enough.

 

This organization does have a culture, it's that of an exclusive country club.

[jimmer]

 

What you're saying would be the easy call in a vacuum,  but this year I'm not sure you could apply that standard and find 25 players in the Minnesota Twins organization who DO deserve to be in the majors.

I think I pretty much said the same thing later in this thread, but for sure.  I agree.

[Brock Beauchamp]

As critical as I was of the Berrios move, this kinda needed to happen.

[Platoon]

Here is this:

 

https://twitter.com/MillerStrib/status/733093107865030656

Had the FO not lost John Hicks on the Murphy fiasco, and Murphy had not come to his senses and retired, we now would have brought in 3 players off the scrap heap, before the 20th of May. We need a TD pool. (Legal disclaimer, no money will change hands, only pork chops). Everyone throws in a buck, er I mean a pork chop, and picks the name of someone on the roster. If your player is the next one to Rocherster, you get all the money, uh pork chops!

[Oldgoat_MN]

Is there a mad rush at the ticket booths now?

I never saw Grossman when he was playing for Houston.

 

Or maybe I just don't remember.

 

Good luck to him just the same.

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Kinda surprising it took this long. I suppose it had to wait until they could acquire a caliber of player like David Murphy or Robbie Grossman.

maybe TR read Seth and took it as a challenge

[jud6312]

 

This reminds me of conversations pre-season about players who were pegged for regression. Rosario was one of the top options, though many argued that his natural hitting ability would enable him to sustain his 2015 numbers.

 

Nope, he's Danny Santana 2015 in 2016.

 

Now it's time for more mediocre veterans! Will it be Robbie Grossman? Will Darin Mastroianni start over Arcia more often than not? 

Mediocre veterans everywhere hate you for comparing them to Robbie Grossman and Darin Mastroianni.

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

Had the FO not lost John Hicks on the Murphy fiasco, and Murphy had not come to his senses and retired, we now would have brought in 3 players off the scrap heap, before the 20th of May. We need a TD pool. (Legal disclaimer, no money will change hands, only pork chops). Everyone throws in a buck, er I mean a pork chop, and picks the name of someone on the roster. If your player is the next one to Rocherster, you get all the money, uh pork chops!

 

Taylor Rogers!

 

[Twinsbar107]

Taylor Rogers!

Damnit!

 

Suppose I'll go Pat Dean

[Platoon]

As critical as I was of the Berrios move, this kinda needed to happen.

I don't even know that he didn't warrant it, as a stand alone issue. And there were a lot of offensive reasons to demote him, but the BS about the steal and the aggravating Verlander is BS. Mr. Burr made some excellent observations on that issue. And I added my two cents, which was: if you don't want to cover third, that's your problem, not Rosario's. There is no code that on a 3-2 count with two outs you stay close to first, even with no first baseman. This is simply an adjustment to extreme shifts. Dollars to a donut that if Dozier had done it, he would have been heralded for his aggressive baserunning. (Well maybe up until yesterday when Bert started reaming him a new posterior)

[USAFChief]

Sano!

 

//ducks//

[Primetime82]

Rosario has played really gross man and this promotion is really Grossman!

[USAFChief]

I don't even know that he didn't warrant it, as a stand alone issue. And there were a lot of offensive reasons to demote him, but the BS about the steal and the aggravating Verlander is BS. Mr. Burr made some excellent observations on that issue. And I added my two cents, which was: if you don't want to cover third, that's your problem, not Rosario's. There is no code that on a 3-2 count with two outs you stay close to first, even with no first baseman. This is simply an adjustment to extreme shifts. Dollars to a donut that if Dozier had done it, he would have been heralded for his aggressive baserunning. (Well maybe up until yesterday when Bert started reaming him a new posterior)

Maybe. But when it's item 37 on the list, not including offense, it's not hard to agree with this demotion, IMO.

[DaveW]

I agree with sending down Rosario to clear his head/kick in the rear, but instead of bringing up Grossman, who has no real future in this league or for this team, why not, oh, call up someone who does have a future with this club and upside? Last time I checked we had the #2 prospect in baseball in AAA and had a .900 OPS or so.....or we could always give Kepler an actual extended look as well?

 

Three of our current OF on our 25 man roster are:

Danny Santana, Grossman, Mastrionni.

 

I would say this current 25 man roster might be rock bottom, but I will reserve that for when they send Duffey down after a rough start.

 

Like seriously, what else does Buxton need to do to get another shot? Bringing up Grossman is just as pointless as putting Dean in the rotation, it doesn't really help anything presently, and almost certainly won't for the future.

[TheLeviathan]

You know what would have made this easier?

 

Signing a freaking outfielder this winter.  One not named Darin Mastrionni and preferably far more talented.

[David HK]

 

Had the FO not lost John Hicks on the Murphy fiasco, and Murphy had not come to his senses and retired, we now would have brought in 3 players off the scrap heap, before the 20th of May. We need a TD pool. (Legal disclaimer, no money will change hands, only pork chops). Everyone throws in a buck, er I mean a pork chop, and picks the name of someone on the roster. If your player is the next one to Rocherster, you get all the money, uh pork chops!

I'll take "Gulfa" Tonkin.   Thinkin' DFA time is close.  

[operation mindcrime]

Buxton, Rosario, Sano, Kepler, Barrios, Arcia, even Kennys Vargas, this is a very talented group. In the minors not only had stellar individual performances, but won championships as a team. An yet, when thay come to MLB, all underperformed. Something is telling me that there is something wrong the way these players were prepared, or are being coached.

total system failure! \m/

[alarp33]

I agree with sending down Rosario to clear his head/kick in the rear, but instead of bringing up Grossman, who has no real future in this league or for this team, why not, oh, call up someone who does have a future with this club and upside? Last time I checked we had the #2 prospect in baseball in AAA and had a .900 OPS or so.....or we could always give Kepler an actual extended look as well?

Three of our current OF on our 25 man roster are:

Danny Santana, Grossman, Mastrionni.

I would say this current 25 man roster might be rock bottom, but I will reserve that for when they send Duffey down after a rough start.

Like seriously, what else does Buxton need to do to get another shot? Bringing up Grossman is just as pointless as putting Dean in the rotation, it doesn't really help anything presently, and almost certainly won't for the future.

I'm at the point of not even wanting Buxton up here. This freaking manager will have him platooning with the worst player in baseball, Danny Santana. And he'll just head back down to Rochester after a 1-10 3 game series anyways

[DaveW]

Also at this point, we really have to consider that Molitor has completely lost the clubhouse.

 

He refuses to blame the veterans at any point, places the blame on the rookies and apparently is now in charge of who gets sent down when. Teams just don't get swept 8 times in the first 39 games. It doesn't happen, I doubt it has ever happened in any 39 game stretch in the history of baseball to be honest. The twins are trending towards a bottom 5 record of all time! Some of us may have said the twins didn't have a playoff caliber roster pre season, but no one suggested we were looking at an all time terrible team! We can't even blame it on injuries either,

[DaveW]

You know what would have made this easier?

 

Signing a freaking outfielder this winter. One not named Darin Mastrionni and preferably far more talented.

Or not trade a young, cost controllable one that we had to begin with. To be fair hicks hasn't been destroying it for the Yankees, but over the past few weeks he has started to look a lot better.

[LaBombo]

Six months ago the outfield talent throughout the Twins organization was supposed to be its greatest strength,   enough so that they felt comfortable dealing from it for a need at catcher.

 

So far in 2016 the Twins'  outfield has "amassed" a WAR total of -1.0,   batting .218/.277/.358 in the process.   At the moment it consists of two quad A players,   two barely-converted infielders,   and a DH (Arcia) who happens to own an outfield glove.

 

If that's the position your organization is strongest at,   I'm not sure the words "total system failure"  do it justice.

[TheLeviathan]

Or not trade a young, cost controllable one that we had to begin with. To be fair hicks hasn't been destroying it for the Yankees, but over the past few weeks he has started to look a lot better.

How about trade Plouffe and sign Fowler? I had no problem with dumping Hicks, but this team needed an impact OF as insurance against multiple setbacks for young guys.

[Dave The Dastardly]

 

Sending Rosario down doesn't surprise me but bringing up someone like Robbie Grossman would surprise me. With their so called deep farm system, if they felt none of the utes are ready, seems to me you could make a trade for a better outfielder, dangling a C or B- prospect.

The what? (in reference to utes). Ya gotta love Cousin Vinny!

[nicksaviking]

I really want nothing to do with Ribbie Grossman, but there are more than a few similarities to J.D. Martinez. Just tossing it out there, cannibalize away.

[DaveW]

How about trade Plouffe and sign Fowler? I had no problem with dumping Hicks, but this team needed an impact OF as insurance against multiple setbacks for young guys.

I would have been fine with that to (or signing Cruz last year instead of Hunter)

 

My main issues with trading hicks in order were:

1. I said, and still maintain that Murphys upside is that of a backup catcher. You don't need to trade someone like hicks for a backup catcher.

 

2. It left the Twins in a bad situation CF wise. Once you trade Hicks, Buxton is your opening day CF no matter what, clearly that didn't work out.

 

3. Hicks was developed about as poorly as possible by how this club handled him. The minute he shows some flashes at the major league level you dump him? He had a slow start for the Yankees, but has gotten hits in 12 of his last 13 games for them with 2 HR and 3 doubles.

[Mr. Brooks]

I really want nothing to do with Ribbie Grossman, but there are more than a few similarities to J.D. Martinez. Just tossing it out there, cannibalize away.

Care to list some of them?

[Brock Beauchamp]

I don't even know that he didn't warrant it, as a stand alone issue. And there were a lot of offensive reasons to demote him, but the BS about the steal and the aggravating Verlander is BS. Mr. Burr made some excellent observations on that issue. And I added my two cents, which was: if you don't want to cover third, that's your problem, not Rosario's. There is no code that on a 3-2 count with two outs you stay close to first, even with no first baseman. This is simply an adjustment to extreme shifts. Dollars to a donut that if Dozier had done it, he would have been heralded for his aggressive baserunning. (Well maybe up until yesterday when Bert started reaming him a new posterior)

The steal was irrelevant. If Eddie was demoted for that, it's only another indication this organization is driving blind.

 

But Eddie deserved to be demoted.