Odd SP out

[Halsey Hall]

 

Again, keep May in the rotation.  Please.

May pitched terrible today, but better than last time.  He was wild all over the place today and his walks cost us the game.  But, I hear we'll go with a 6 man rotation til the break. 

[SwainZag]

 

May pitched terrible today, but better than last time.  He was wild all over the place today and his walks cost us the game.  But, I hear we'll go with a 6 man rotation til the break. 

 

Terrible?  He got into a jam early and got out of it and Herman essentially cost them a run by himself.  A line of 6.1 IP, 6H, 2 ER, 1R, 3BB, 6 K is not terrible.  He was a little wild, but I would take that start from him everytime out.  If you want to see terrible, look at his last start. Now that was terrible.

[jokin]

 

My guy Taylor Rogers never gets any love

 

 

Except from a few of us diehards!  Especially those of us who want to see him in the Twins pen sooner, not later.  Join us at:

 http://twinsdaily.com/topic/18685-taylor-rogers-as-the-1-lhrp-option-going-forward/

[drjim]

 

May pitched terrible today, but better than last time.  He was wild all over the place today and his walks cost us the game.  But, I hear we'll go with a 6 man rotation til the break. 

 

I think teams could live off of that kind of terrible all season.

[jimmer]

 

May pitched terrible today, but better than last time.  He was wild all over the place today and his walks cost us the game.  But, I hear we'll go with a 6 man rotation til the break. 

May only gave up one earned run. We've had front row seats to loads of terrible starts since 2011.  This wasn't one of them.

 

We only scored one run.  I think that was very much a main reason we lost today. Way more than May's performance (the three walks). The 'walk is evil' narrative pushed by the team and announcers for years gets really old.  Yes, we'd rather not have a guy walk three batters, but would it have been fine if those walks were, instead, one walk and two hits?  With three walks he still only gave up up ONE earned run.

[Halsey Hall]

I still say he pitched poorly.  He was very wild.  So wild it seemed to help him out, as if he was closer or over the plate they'd of tee'd off on him.  He had some Ryan Duren in him today.

[jorgenswest]

I think 6 starters will cost Gibson a start prior to the all star break. They can skip any of the 6 and give Gibson that start. They simply need to decide which pitcher gives them the least chance of winning. Going with starters until the all star break is essentially deciding the starter that gives them the least chance to win is Gibson.

[howeda7]

 

Yeah, I think Pelfrey could be amazing out of the pen, however he has earned at least another couple starts in the rotation IMHO.

So has Milone. So has May. And Pelfrey makes more sense out of the pen than either of them. I suspect May will go down though.

[GoGonzoJournal]

No one is considering a six-man rotation??

[h2oface]

 

Not that this is wrong but this paragraph made me chuckle a little. With all this going on, how the Twins still the 5th best team in the AL at the moment.

 

I think there is a big difference between being the 5th best team in the AL, and having the 5th best W-L record in the AL, even at the moment.

[h2oface]

Pelfrey is done with the Twins after this season. Pelfrey's future could very well be in the bullpen. Maybe. Santana can help the Twins perhaps win an unexpected post season birth, but he cannot pitch in the postseason. Berrios may be better than all of them. Pelfrey is almost back to a 4 ERA, and I truly expect him to be at around 5 before the season ends if he keeps starting. When he is good, it is surprising. When he is bad... he is absolutely horrid. I still have a hard time forgetting the last two years, and my vote is to let Pelfrey help the pen, if he can.

[jimmer]

When you go to a six man rotation you are taking starts away from better pitchers and giving them to inferior pitchers.  I hope we don't do that.

[Blackjack]

It will be interesting to see where everyone is at by Monday!!!  I'd like to see Pelfrey sent to the pen but my prediction is that May gets sent down. 

[dougkoebernick]

My previous prediction on this was that May goes to the bullpen and one of the reasons was that this keeps him fresh for the long haul as he has typically pitched about 150 innings. Should one of the starters faulter in the next month then he goes back to the rotation right away and his arm is fresh for the stretch run. Next year he will then stretch his arm out more as he approaches 200 innings.

[mikelink45]

What a nice conversation - last year we wondered if anyone besides Hughes and Gibson could actually get us to the bullpen.  This will just get harder as Berrios continues to push the door open and ultimately he is the one I most want to see.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

Pelfrey to the pen is the least unpleasant option. If Pelfrey can be effective as a middle to late inning reliever, he might find that he has a lot to offer on the free agent market. It would be a good thing for him to show that flexibility.

 

Santana has a track record of being better than average, so hopefully that will continue once he comes back. I keep telling myself this is a good problem to have too many starters that have earned a chance to start.

[Vance_Christianson]

If Pelfrey is not the odd-man out, than shame on us. Pathetic! He provides nothing for the future, and contract is up and the end of the year. Milone is 28 years old, a Lefty, and providing some excellent innings for us! Stats don't lie people. Milone is a perfect #4 guy in the rotation!

Rotation Should Be:

Ervin Santana

Kyle Gibson

Phil Hughes

Tommy Milone

Trevor May

If it's not that, pathetic! Aaron Thompson is the odd man out, and Pelfrey should go to the bullpen in case of injuries, or we trade him (and 1-2 other players) for a catcher!

[Craig Arko]

Pathos; no, not one of the Three Musketeers.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathos

[jorgenswest]

Six starters - the result gives a potential Gibson start to May, Pelfrey or Milone.

 

Rest someone - the Twins could reduce the workload of May or Hughes by 2 starts. May might make sense because he hasn't thrown over 150 innings. Hughes to see if they can get his velocity back up to norm. The two starts would be one for Pelfrey or Milone and the other for Gibson.

 

Pelfrey or Milone to pen - they would lose 1 start that would either go to Gibson or May. Is it a good trade off?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

My previous prediction on this was that May goes to the bullpen and one of the reasons was that this keeps him fresh for the long haul as he has typically pitched about 150 innings. Should one of the starters faulter in the next month then he goes back to the rotation right away and his arm is fresh for the stretch run. Next year he will then stretch his arm out more as he approaches 200 innings.

Outside of his missed month in the middle of 2014, May has hardly even missed a pro start for 7 years.  There is absolutely no reason why he can't pitch 167 innings this year (his current pace).

[dxpavelka]

 

I ended by saying he needed to perform in his next start. He did. There should have been no free ride to a starting spot.

 

My comment in this thread after listening to his start

 

Milone stepped up. May stepped up. Now Pelfrey needs to make this a really difficult decison for the Twins. If he has a third bad start in a row, it should be an easy decision.

Even with a decent start he's still the 5th guy in the equation for me.  Key indicator for me is his K/BB ratio.  Everybody else is either far clear (or in Gibson's case just a tick below) 2/1 and Pelf is not even close to that.

[stringer bell]

It is still May to the 'pen in my book, despite his good start yesterday. It might be for a week or a month, but he will get more chances and he has shown himself to be capable at this point. If the Twins are 10 out and more than five back in the wildcard by the end of the month, put him back in the rotation, but for now the best for the team winning the most games (IMHO) is Pelfrey and Milone in the rotation and May in the bullpen, perhaps working in high leverage situations.

[Twodogs]

My thoughts are that the Twins have a bunch of decent starting pitchers, there really isn't any Kershaws et al in the Twins rotation.  So my thoughts are that any 5 pitchers the Twins go with will do decent for 5 - 7 innings per start.  I mean we can talk about future and what not, but we live in the now.  So since any 5 pitchers in the rotation will seen to do ok, even Nolasco was doing ok; maybe the Twins should make the moves based on what will make the "bullpen" stronger.  When a team doesn't have superior or dominant starters the most important facet of the pitching staff becomes the bullpen.  So will putting Milone,or Pelfrey, or May into the bullpen make the bullpen stronger??  Which ever one makes the bullpen stronger in the 6th or 7th inning is the one I'd go with.  To me that is the bottom line.  I mean the Twins used Johan Santana in the bullpen back when they had a bunch of decent starters going for them and then the next year Santana was put into the rotation.  I really don't see a problem with putting any one of those guys in the pen, even Hughes, if it makes the team better.  Because the bottom line is wins right now, next year is next year and any one of those guys can be put back in the rotation for next year.  Remember a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, right now the Twins are in the hunt.  The Twins could look like proverbial all-stars for the next 5 years and have injuries etc... all screw it up and then what.  You pass up the chance to do well now for the possibility of doing well later?? When there are absolutely no guarantees about later?  That doesn't make any sense.  I say put the arms in the bullpen that makes the pen stronger.  Then two facets of the Twins game gets better.  

[drivlikejehu]

 

It is still May to the 'pen in my book, despite his good start yesterday. It might be for a week or a month, but he will get more chances and he has shown himself to be capable at this point. If the Twins are 10 out and more than five back in the wildcard by the end of the month, put him back in the rotation, but for now the best for the team winning the most games (IMHO) is Pelfrey and Milone in the rotation and May in the bullpen, perhaps working in high leverage situations.

 

May is a better starter than Pelfrey or Milone. It's not close.

[nicksaviking]

 

but for now the best for the team winning the most games (IMHO) is Pelfrey and Milone in the rotation and May in the bullpen, perhaps working in high leverage situations.

 

Even if that's true, and I don't believe that it is, that's only what's best for winning the most games in 2015.  What's best for winning the most games in 2016 and beyond is for May to continue to develop and get as close to his peak as he can for when this team is a legit threat.  That is not 2015.

[stringer bell]

 

May is a better starter than Pelfrey or Milone. It's not close.

I do think it's close, but Milone's numbers are the best. In a vacuum, I'd take the Pelfrey line before May's.

Milone 3.19 ERA 1.29 WHIP

May     4.37 ERA 1.37 WHIP

Pelfrey  3.81 ERA 1.44 WHIP

 

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Advanced statistics, FIP, Strikeouts, and I do believe May offers more for the future than either Pelf or Milone. That said, I think the decision should be about July 2015 and not 2016. May has gotten about 24 starts already in his career and if the Twins fall out of contention, he would get several more. He won't come into 2016 as unproven and untested. I do think he could help in the later innings in close games. The club needs a late-inning reliever more than anything else.

[TheLeviathan]

May is really building himself as a young kid into a legit big league starter. I can't imagine a worse idea than monkeying with that by tossing him in the pen.

[drivlikejehu]

 

I do think it's close, but Milone's numbers are the best. In a vacuum, I'd take the Pelfrey line before May's.

Milone 3.19 ERA 1.29 WHIP

May     4.37 ERA 1.37 WHIP

Pelfrey  3.81 ERA 1.44 WHIP

 

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Advanced statistics, FIP, Strikeouts, and I do believe May offers more for the future than either Pelf or Milone. That said, I think the decision should be about July 2015 and not 2016. May has gotten about 24 starts already in his career and if the Twins fall out of contention, he would get several more. He won't come into 2016 as unproven and untested. I do think he could help in the later innings in close games. The club needs a late-inning reliever more than anything else.

 

Small sample-size ERA is basically meaningless. That's just reality. Your assessment is factually wrong.

[jimmer]

We aren't even halfway through the season and Trevor May's WAR is 1.7.  None of the rest of our current starters are over 0.7.

 

For now, and for the future, May and Gibson have to stay in the rotation.

[Linus]

 

Small sample-size ERA is basically meaningless. That's just reality. Your assessment is factually wrong.

Mind your manners.  There is nothing about this question that is going to be proven "factually".  It will be each person's opinion which is just fine, including yours.