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Joe Ryan's name has been tied to trade rumors for more than a year. Those rumors really picked up steam after the Minnesota Twins began their trade deadline firesale in 2025, when it became clear that the organization was willing to move established players in exchange for future assets. At one point last summer, the speculation even got out of hand. One national outlet posted on social media that Ryan had been traded to the Boston Red Sox. That report turned out to be false, and Ryan remained in Minnesota.

Now, Ryan is headed to the final year of team control in 2027. That's only going to put his name back into the national trade conversation this winter. A starting pitcher with Ryan's track record should generate plenty of interest around baseball.

However, there are three major reasons why the Twins are unlikely to trade him this offseason.

1. His Second-Half Performance is a Problem

Ryan has pitched like an All-Star during the first halves of seasons throughout his career. The problem has been keeping that level of performance going once the calendar flips to the second half. Before All-Star breaks, Ryan owns a 3.17 ERA and 1.01 WHIP, while holding opposing hitters to a .632 OPS. Those are excellent numbers for a starting pitcher. His second-half numbers tell a very different story. Ryan has a 4.99 ERA and 1.22 WHIP after the All-Star break, with opponents posting a .780 OPS against him.

There are legitimate explanations for some of that difference. Ryan has dealt with injuries and has tried to pitch through some of them, which has undoubtedly affected his performance. Still, the results matter. If the Twins were trying to trade Ryan at the height of his value, they would want to point toward his first-half dominance. Unfortunately, opposing teams are going to look at the entire body of work, including the recurring second-half struggles. That makes it harder for Minnesota to get the kind of return it would need to justify trading him.

2. His Injury Diagnosis is Still Unclear

Ryan's health creates another problem for the Twins. After struggling through multiple starts coming out of the All-Star break, initial reports indicated that Ryan was dealing with a dead-arm issue. Minnesota eventually placed him on the injured list with (officially) a glute injury.

There's an obvious disconnect here. Either Ryan's maladies were more generalized at first, or the glute issue that eventually sidelined him was separate from an arm problem that has gone unmentioned since. That doesn't mean Ryan wasn't legitimately dealing with an injury. It does, however, create uncertainty about exactly what has been affecting his performance and whether there is something more going on physically.

That type of uncertainty dings a player's trade value. Teams considering trading significant prospects for Ryan will want confidence that they are acquiring the pitcher who dominated opposing hitters during the first half of the season. If there are questions about his health, his mechanics, or why his performance has declined so dramatically in the second half, those questions will be reflected in trade offers. The Twins aren't going to get maximum value for Ryan while those questions remain unanswered.

3. The Looming Lockout Could Apply a Pinch

The current Collective Bargaining Agreement expires on December 1. If the two sides fail to reach a new agreement, another lockout could begin. That creates an interesting dynamic for the offseason. The last time baseball faced a lockout following the 2021 season, there was a flurry of activity before the deadline. Free agents signed contracts, teams completed major trades, and front offices tried to get as much business done as possible before the transaction freeze began.

There could be another rush this winter. That might seem like a reason for the Twins to move Ryan quickly. If teams know a lockout is coming, they could be more aggressive about completing trades before December 1. But that doesn't necessarily mean Ryan's value will be at its peak. In fact, all of the other factors could work against Minnesota. Teams know Ryan is entering his final year of team control. They know about his second-half struggles.

The Twins might receive plenty of calls about Ryan. That doesn't mean they'll receive an offer worth accepting. There's a major difference between having a market for a player and getting the type of return you need to trade him.

Ryan's Trade Value Is Probably at a Low Point

Put all three factors together, and Ryan's trade value is probably at a low point. He remains a talented starting pitcher with a proven track record, and there's no question that other teams will be interested. But Minnesota isn't going to trade him simply because another team is interested. The Twins need a significant return if they're going to give up one of their best starting pitchers. This winter probably isn't the time to make that move.

Instead, the more likely scenario is that Minnesota holds onto Ryan and gives him another opportunity to prove himself. If he puts together another dominant first half in 2027, his trade value could look dramatically different at next year's trade deadline.

The Twins have already shown that they're willing to make difficult trades when the return makes sense. But Ryan's current combination of inconsistent second-half performance, injury uncertainty and an approaching CBA deadline doesn't create an ideal selling opportunity. His name will almost certainly appear in trade rumors all winter. That doesn't mean the Twins will actually trade him.


Will the Twins trade Ryan this winter? Leave a comment and start the discussion. 


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Is his track record as concerning as it sounds compared to other MLB pitchers over a 5 year stretch?  He averaged just under 27 starts a season and around 150 innings a season with no major surgery.... That is actually pretty reliable overall!

Does he even get the chance to have a 'dominant' start to 2027 with the lock out?

How would a dominant first half of 2027 change the narrative for which you have expressed concern?

Would they be 'giving up their best starting pitcher' or perhaps more accurately be getting SOMETHING before he is gone?

A smart small market team would have traded Ryan no later than 1.5 years before losing him (ie when that package from the Red Sox was on the table). The Twins are not a smart small market team.

Given the crap position they have put themselves in....I would trade him before the Lockout. Teams will probably correctly interpret that they will get optimal Ryan for the 50-75% of the season likely to be played. Plus, it hedges against an entire season being lost. 

 

 

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I agree with your reasoning.  With that in mind, the Twins could have a very interesting starting rotation next year and with good depth.  Teams can go far with excellent starting pitching and you don't have to squint too hard to see the Twins with good to excellent starters.  While the bullpen improved, the Twins will need greater depth and improved options for the 8th and 9th innings to go far...and of course, the everyday lineup needs addressing.  But there are reasons to be hopeful.  Catcher and first base especially need to be upgraded for 2027.  I sure hope the Twins make a qualifying offer to Jeffers...although he is unlikely to take it.  

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46 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Sigh. Such a huge opportunity lost. But hey, they are terrible again this year, so, ummm, it was worth it? 

His value is almost gone at this point. I can't see getting more than one lower end top 100 guy at this point. Even that....

Was hoping he could come back and reestablish some value here in September. So far he hasn’t looked that good.

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If he doesn’t get traded the biggest reason will be, with his new arbitration number, there won’t be nearly the surplus value in his contract situation there was previously. If he is traded, it won’t be for the haul some are expecting  

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Best case scenario: the CBA doesn't drag on, the FA market is the usual garbage, and several of the big payroll teams come knocking that Joe would like to sign with.  Dodgers, Padres, Angels, whomever it is on the West Coast he wants.  

We've long since lost an elite return for him, but it might be a decent one.

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47 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

Best case scenario: the CBA doesn't drag on, the FA market is the usual garbage, and several of the big payroll teams come knocking that Joe would like to sign with.  Dodgers, Padres, Angels, whomever it is on the West Coast he wants.  

We've long since lost an elite return for him, but it might be a decent one.

It's an awful FA class, that could save the Twins. 

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3 hours ago, IndianaTwin said:

You missed what I think is the primary reason they don't trade him....

If you think you are a contender, you don't trade your Opening Day starter!

Oh man, the Brewers are gonna be so embarrassed when they realize they're not really contenders because they traded Freddy Peralta in January 

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5 hours ago, D.C Twins said:

Is his track record as concerning as it sounds compared to other MLB pitchers over a 5 year stretch?  He averaged just under 27 starts a season and around 150 innings a season with no major surgery.... That is actually pretty reliable overall!

Does he even get the chance to have a 'dominant' start to 2027 with the lock out?

How would a dominant first half of 2027 change the narrative for which you have expressed concern?

Would they be 'giving up their best starting pitcher' or perhaps more accurately be getting SOMETHING before he is gone?

A smart small market team would have traded Ryan no later than 1.5 years before losing him (ie when that package from the Red Sox was on the table). The Twins are not a smart small market team.

Given the crap position they have put themselves in....I would trade him before the Lockout. Teams will probably correctly interpret that they will get optimal Ryan for the 50-75% of the season likely to be played. Plus, it hedges against an entire season being lost. 

Twins should have traded Ryan & Jeffers last offseason for young MLB ready players that'd help them this season & see if they could compete after that. Instead of keeping them. IMO, the team would have done much better.

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5 hours ago, IndianaTwin said:

You missed what I think is the primary reason they don't trade him....

If you think you are a contender, you don't trade your Opening Day starter!

Is this a cut and paste from November, 2025?

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Ryan's probably not going to be traded because he's good enough to start a playoff game and he's affordable. His flop down the stretch helps the Twins as much as it hurts them because there's no way Ryan isn't opting in to the $12MM option at this point. Given how he'd pitched in the first half, he was likely to cost the Twins a lot more. For every egg he lays, he decreases his arbitration value.

That said, he only has one year of team control left and while he's affordable, $12MM isn't downright cheap. His surplus value just isn't going to be high enough to move teams to give much up for him. 

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17 hours ago, wesnewy said:

and to think the sox offered us Tolle and Arias at the deadline last year and we turned it down 

Hindsight is 20/20. Who predicted that Tolle and Arias would become what they are a year later? Certainly not the Red Sox, who had more information than any other organization on these two fine prospects . It is so difficult to predict future greatness.

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Ryan, Lopez and Ober are all free agents after next season. And we need to throw in Kremer. 

If my math is right... That's a large percentage of the starting rotation gone after 2027. 

The Twins front office could view these 4 pitchers as a final year of competitive window. They will then attempt to build around it.

However... it's all about money people. That's 54 million on 4 pitchers. 

These 4 pitchers as a final year of competitive window. It's a solid rotation. However... Every one of these 4 pitchers will cost at least 10 million dollars and in the case of Lopez 21 million. It'll be around 54 million invested in 4 rotations spots. 

So... if the Twins are going to build around them. Where is the money going to come from to support this competitive rotation?

The folks who want to offer Jeffers a QO are going to be disappointed when that 23 million takes payroll up to 132 million just to staff 12 of 26 roster spots. You will need to spend money to support that rotation and you won't have it. Jeffers is gone and we have recieved nothing. Ryan, Lopez and Ober will be gone and we will have received nothing for them. 

So... The Twins could trade Ryan this off-season in an attempt to mitigate... soften the massive rotation departure the following year. 

However... this is where I will be blunt. Ryan has nowhere near the trade value that he had last off-season. It's largely gone. We can still get a nice young player for him. But... not the really really really nice young player. 

To be blunt... his trade value will now bring back a player that we will strip mine for parts. So... take that value and reinvest in pitching. Young pitcher in return if you trade him. 

This rebuild could have started last off-season. It can still start this off-season with a series of trades. Or the rebuild will be shoved down their throats the off-season after that. 

 

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The Twins got succer punched by the team just playing good enough to look like contenders when they were actually pretenders. 

But, E-Rod is flashing all be it a very small sample size but showing a strong skill set.

Culpepper is looking legit with Houston probably a year away. 

But oof! Is our number one prospect in a prolonged slump with out of the gate. I think everyone forgets how young he is. 

 

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1 hour ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Hindsight is 20/20. Who predicted that Tolle and Arias would become what they are a year later? Certainly not the Red Sox, who had more information than any other organization on these two fine prospects . It is so difficult to predict future greatness.

Both were top twenty prospects at the deadline, so lots of people. 

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2 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Hindsight is 20/20. Who predicted that Tolle and Arias would become what they are a year later? Certainly not the Red Sox, who had more information than any other organization on these two fine prospects . It is so difficult to predict future greatness.

Tolle has exceeded expectations but Arias was a known commodity.  And yes, it is difficult to predict future greatness.....all the more reason to have more irons in the fire to develop greatness rather than constantly playing handcuffed because you refuse to make the difficult decisions.

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15 hours ago, MN Brian said:

So if we only have a half season due to a lockout, and Joe Ryan is only a half season pitcher, doesn't that indicate it might be a perfect match?

You joke, but you might be on to something here!

Then again, maybe Cali Boi just can't pitch properly under the sign of Virgo, or something

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Cody, this FO and ownership has never shown the willingness to make difficult trades.  Last year's "Trade Deadline Massacre" of the bullpen reeked of panic, not a pragmatic, well thought out plan.  The leadership of the Twins, whether ownership or FO hasn't shown any kind of "plan" for over 20 years.  In 2006 when they had Mauer, Morneau, Hunter, Santana and Nathan they didn't have the guts to make a bold move to put a team like that over the hump. 

We were never going to contend in 2026.  Hindsight is 20/10, but not making the Ryan for Arias and Tolle was a major blunder.  The Twins FO over-played their hand. Not trading Lopez prior to spring training last year was a fail, albeit with significant Monday Morning QB vibes.  

Not trading Jeffers to the Yankees at the deadline is a MAJOR blunder.  Consider this:  Jeffers was having a career year and had come off the IL showing he could still hit at a high level.  The Yankees were DESPERATE for an upgrade at Catcher.  A deal SHOULD have been made. Jeffers is a career .243 .328 .430.  His career OPS is .758.  Once again, the Twins FO over played their hand.  The Twins, under current ownership/leadership are NOT offering Jeffers arbitration leading to a potential $23 million dollar salary for 2027 heading into a lockout/strike.  They just aren't. 

We have driven Ryan's value to it's low point.  But it's not as low as Pablo Lopez.  One of Ryan or Lopez should be traded this off season.  I vote Ryan because he still could bring something back of value.  Lopez is a better trade deadline or extension candidate if he comes back to his prime form.  It is ridiculous that we still have Larnach, Wallner, and Ober.  I'm still not convinced Royce Lewis can be a better 1B option than Cody Clemens once Marek Houston is up at SS, Culpepper slides to 2B and Lee is holding down 3B.  For a team whose infield defense has been poor for years...THAT'S a pretty solid defensive IF. 

It's an off season that is screaming "major shake up" with the eye on 2028 to seriously contend.  We do not have the ownership or FO with the brains, talent and guts to make that happen.  The bar will always be low to compete in the A.L. Central.  The twins should be looking to build something BETTER.  

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Joe Ryans 2nd half woes are not a recent phenomenon.   Over 50 2nd half starts in his Twins career his second half ERA is over 5.  Certainly not an ace you count on to get you into and progress through playoffs.  I know hindsight is the perverbial 50/50 but the Twins should have traded Ryan, Lopez, Jeffers and others in 2025 to complete the changeover.  This FO wreaks of incompetence.   What have we gained by keeping those players?  Another losing season.  Third season in a row of late season collapse.   Likely the second consecutive season of record breaking low attendance at Target Field.  Those core veterans surely havent made a difference in getting to playoff baseball.  I like baseball played by veterans that have some passion and can be productive.  I like what ive seen from a lot of the young players.  They look hungry to prove they belong.  Too many of our current veterans have just been playing out the season each of at least the last three seasons.  Has anyone noticed how Ryan Jeffers runs, no I mean almost walker to first on infield grounders?  Its embarrassing.

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4 hours ago, TheLeviathan said:

Tolle has exceeded expectations but Arias was a known commodity.  And yes, it is difficult to predict future greatness.....all the more reason to have more irons in the fire to develop greatness rather than constantly playing handcuffed because you refuse to make the difficult decisions.

But Arias was a known commodity at the position where the Twins already had Lewis, Lee, Culpepper and Huston, also previous  "known commodities at SS." Granted Arias may be better than any of these Twin prospects, but Predicting the future is so difficult.

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32 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

But Arias was a known commodity at the position where the Twins already had Lewis, Lee, Culpepper and Huston, also previous  "known commodities at SS." Granted Arias may be better than any of these Twin prospects, but Predicting the future is so difficult.

I don't think the Twins are so rich in prospects that they should turn down top 50 guys (who are now top 5 guys in Arias) during a retooling of the roster.

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