MapleGroveTwinsFan

Why do you want to keep him so bad? If the option would be those two or guys or he walks away for nothing, I would take a chance on those two guys. But like I said I paying for his replacement.

Haven't heard anybody say to trade him just to trade him, I am pretty most are saying to trade him for prospect or two that may in a couple years and be under team control for multiple years, some are saying that opens up a spot in the rotation for younger guy, FA, and/or maybe somebody they can trade for. I don't see how keeping him next year with the current roster helps meet your objective of a world series team unless of course they can extend him, then that changes things (I wouldn't do that, but it would change some of the additional things I would like to see done) I most certainly want them to spend any money they would save by trading him and more, the added bonus would be the prospects they get. One example and there are probably others would like more (and probably are correct), but lets they offer him 3/50 and he turns it down, Offer that to Bieber, and trade Ryan, even it is for something like SWR and Martin, worse case the results are the same if he stays and the two guys flame out. But the upside is unlimited, guys that maybe help or guys that could be added in a another trade to upgrade the team when another hole opens up.

You do understand that for a 26 year old in AAA, that isn't all that impressive? It wasn't even impressive on the Saints team. A few guys with a higher SLG for the Saints, Culpepper, Kreidler, Erod, Jackson, Morissette, Wallner, Sabato, Jenkins, Fedko, Rosario, Lewis's was over twice that. The only way he should or might see 120 games is because of injuries, and if that is the case, younger prospects should be given those at bats, because the Twins will be going no where again. IMO having Roden for depth is a smart move with 2 options remaining, there is no reason to move on from him, maybe he is awesome (way better than last year) somebody gets hurt and he plays well in a replacement role and forces playing time, again IMO that should be the plan. Rebuilding and teams on the edge don't have plans for a 27 year old rookie to play in 75% of the games, unless there is a hole and no prospect is ready. He is a place holder type player and that is how he should have been used this year, he should have been given more at bats this year.

That works for when Buxton is hurt, but if he isn't hurt, this doesn't work correct? So Marin or Roden starts the season in the minors?

Got to be honest I really have no idea what you are saying, but if you want to sit close to a game, high school baseball is free, so are the gophers, unless you want a seat back chair (season tickets for those are 130), maybe a town ball game? The reason professional sports tickets are so expensive is because people are willing to pay the price, simple as that, Vikings tickets are outrageous but they are sold out every game. Have you been to a movie lately or a play, or a concert? if they just would take less money, the seats would be cheaper. I mean if they would pay the baresta, latte's would be cheaper.

That is the thing about sports or entertainment for that matter, you can spend as little or as much as you want to. You catch watch all the games for free if you are willing, you can pay big bucks to go, or someplace in the middle. You have that choice.

Isn't that a slugging percentage of .272, in addition to 0 stolen bases attempts? That is a guy that screams something more than depth or utility player? Which one is more likely to continue the OBP or SLG? If I am wrong I will happily come back eat crow and say I was wrong, just like I would have for Keirsey, Fedko, Martin, McCusker, and all the others players similar to that.

Are you saying that both things can't be done? I don't think anybody has said trade him to save 12 million. And you are probably correct they won't get anybody that will help them next year, that wouldn't be reason the trade him, you trade him because you have an asset that will likely be gone next year and will have got nothing for it.. Using your words - That is Stupid

You think Boston is trading soon to be 24 year old that was their starter in game 1 of the playoffs, Pitched 148 innings this year with an ERA of 3.03 and have locked up for the next 5 years for 30 year old soon to be free agent? If they would you jump at the chance, but I would give it between 0 -1 percent chance of happening.

I think it we have seen older/young guys do well at the end of the year, and shouldn't bank on them repeating it. (not that it can't be done) He ended the season (August and September) 15/40 with 7 walks and only 5 K's (excellent). Against playoff teams (ATL, SD, MIL) 3/12 no walks and 3 k's and 1 Double. If you add July against playoff teams he was 8/33, 1 Double, 10 walks, 7 K's. IMO he is depth for injury and nothing more, because he seems over matched by major league pitching. But yes he should be bringing a first base glove to spring training, in reality the Twins should be handing them out like candy in spring training.

Sometimes I wonder how much research you put into things? "But the organization also has plenty of evidence for why patience can be valuable. As explored earlier this year, the Twins had opportunities to make long-term commitments to players such as Royce Lewis, Jose Miranda and Matt Wallner when their perceived values were significantly higher" They already had Lewis locked up though his age 29 season and was coming off majors injuries, extending somebody in that situation is not what teams in the majors do. Wallner they have/had locked until 31 already, I believe the same with Miranda. The same reason for Ryan and Ober, the reason for extending them to to keep them during their prime, not on the other side of 30. That group of players are nothing like Keaschall, Jenkins, Erod, and Culpepper, I think Keaschall, Jenkins and Culpepper are obvious guys they should be talking to about this, Erod, probably still a year away. Bradley is the good question, I believe he is locked up though age 28, so probably a guy they should as well, but might another year like they did with Lopez (somebody you failed to mention in the article) Prielipp is in the same boat as Ober and Ryan were already locked up though his prime years, but if the Twins think he is on the Jacob deGrom path you have to consider it, but you have believe his career is on the deGrom/Skubal path to do that. Teams extend guys that made their major league debut at 19.20.21 and 22, maybe a rare occasion 23, but not later than because if the debut after that they already have them though their prime years. Which explains, the Polanco, Sano, Kepler, Buxton, and Lopez and not the Lewis, Julien, Wallner, Larnach, Ryan and Ober's of the world. Seems like a detail that should be in the article, not talking about Wallner.

I would assume there are a team or three out there that Joe Ryan would fit nicely in their rotation, have a better chance at extending him then the Twins and give up something pretty decent. Then the Twins could use that money and some of the money they have talked about spending, and sign a pitcher to a 2 or 3 year contract. That way they get some prospects, another starter locked up for the next couple of years when the young guys hopefully have gotten better. Then they continue to spend money on holes. It seems very like a horrible plan to go into next year with your two "best" starters FA at the end of the year and think you can trade them at the deadline, what if they are actually competing for a playoff spot, I mean really competing,, what if they get hurt again, or just aren't that good, they will have pissed away two of the best trade assets they have had in years. Maybe Lopez would take a two year extension jut to keep him here, Ryan won't nor should he. You can do two things at once, trade Ryan and sign somebody to replace him. I think the term for that is asset management,? weird concept walking and chewing gum at the same time, crazy. Maybea Bieber, Rogers, Bubic or Buehler type would sign a two or three contract,

So the Twins are going to sign him to a contract of 2 to 3 years between 30 - 50 million at the minimum and people think this is a good way for the Twins to spend money? At 15 million a year he becomes the 5th highest paid closer in the game (the 4 above play for the Houston, Dodgers, Mets and Braves, I ask again is this a good way for the Twins to spend money? Seems like the type of player you sign when you haven't missed the playoffs the last three years, and Jenkins, Culpepper and others have proven something, not still trying to prove themselves. Also seems like a player people will be pissed he is making so much for a .500 club and demanding him to be traded for prospects.

So basically run the same team out there for the 4th year, third time wasn't a charm but the 4th time might be? Smart mid to small market teams don't extend pitchers on the wrong side of 30 they trade them, unless of course it is a year or two at the most, and Kremer is the only one that might take that. I would agree there isn't many places to spend money on the offensive side of the equation, but there is a path on the pitching side after they do the right thing and trade Ryan. They missed a huge opportunity to help reload the minors by not trading Jeffers, Ryan, Lopez and one of Wallner or Larnach before last year.

Crazy talk, Morrisette is a year older than Lee and has never played in the majors, Ross is 6 months younger has 21 plate appearances in the majors and they might push Lee off a position? You don't think if Lee was in the minors he would be putting up better numbers than either of them two. He hit more homers in the majors than either of those two did in the minors. Both of those two guys future are utility/bench guys. 🫣