BREAKING: Twins to Acquire Right-Handed Reliever Jeff Hoffman from Blue Jays

[jkcarew]

13 minutes ago, TCanWins said:

Even if it's just for the fans to make playoffs and give us hope for next year. Get some playoff experience in the young guys.

Next year.? The deadline gave them one reliever for next year. Period. Unless you think Kremer is the answer to anything. Oh, and a compensatory draft pick for not trading Jeffers, who would have returned at least one good major League ready guy.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Vanimal46 said:

I wish we would have shaken up thr offense as well, but after today the bullpen is in much better shape. Dare I say above average again. 

My hope is Culpepper and Jenkins are called up very soon to bring more athleticism to the lineup and field. 

they will miraculously be ready just after it is almost impossible to lose rookie eligibility. Or, not at all, if they really fear the lockout will last long. I hope to be wrong.

[USAFChief]

2 minutes ago, Hunter4848 said:

Pass on reading the AI slop...

The OP was written by Matthew Trueblood.

Maybe read the byline.

 

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

We could have fleeced the market with Jeffers, but we can’t compete without him. This roster isn’t perfect but overall it’s not bad. Unless we catch lightening in a bottle we likely go no where inn the playoffs. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, jkcarew said:

Next year.? The deadline gave them one reliever for next year. Period. Unless you think Kremer is the answer to anything. Oh, and a compensatory draft pick for not trading Jeffers, who would have returned at least one good major League ready guy.

I think the hope is about how they play this year....not who they acquired. That, and they didn't sell, which will look good to most fans. The number 1 predictor of ticket sales is the prior year result......

[Hunter4848]

Just now, USAFChief said:

The OP was written by Matthew Trueblood.

Maybe read the byline.

 

You sweet summer child. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for real cheap if you're interested, and maybe a bridge as well...

[Shaitan]

23 minutes ago, LA Vikes Fan said:

Exactly my thinking, and frankly that scares a little bit (LOL). We needed another late inning guy and Hoffman has done that and done it well in the past, including the last 2 months. He's a little like Griffin Jax was, a very good to great 7th and 8th inning guy who turns into a pumpkin in a save situation. I see Minter and he handling a lot the 8th inning duties with Morris in the 8th and about 1/3 of the save situations, and Gomez taking the other 2/3 of the save situations. 

Sounds like their current bullpen coach's history as a player too.

[Patzky]

2 minutes ago, bjorks said:

Don't disagree with age/stats, but you 100% cannot be successful with a 1.75 WHIP and other astronomically high advanced metrics. He's 50> innings with 15.4 K/9 BUT 7.4 BB/9, yikes. BABIP is over .410. A+ hitters have learned to wait it out and he's obviously working from behind and they sit on FB and are having HOF success on FBs. 

Makes me question if the Twins don't like something in the make-up and/or maybe they're unsure he's "fixable". Who, knows, but I have no problems with this. Klein may be a AAAA SP or a middie, but Hill has A TON of reliever risk on top of being probably 3+ years away. 75% of the college arms the Twins have drafted are already ahead of him.  

Rojas had killer K material too.. but that control. Guess we didn't need two of the same make and model.

[TheLeviathan]

3 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I wish we would have shaken up thr offense as well, but after today the bullpen is in much better shape. Dare I say above average again. 

My hope is Culpepper and Jenkins are called up very soon to bring more athleticism to the lineup and field. 

No doubt the bullpen is better.  They could've done what I liked about their actual moves and cleared roster space at the same time from the sounds of it.  

The more I look things over there was absolutely no reason they couldn't have moved Jeffers and an OF, acquired the bullpen guys, and come away with another significant talent and be better prepared for both now and the future.  I don't normally think teams could thread that needle, but it sure feels like it was out there for the Twins.

[USAFChief]

Just now, Hunter4848 said:

You sweet summer child. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for real cheap if you're interested, and maybe a bridge as well...

You bought "ocean front property" in Arizona?

You sweet summer child.

[S Bart]

Okay Twins fans...total talk about pitching......What about the hitting? That has been the challenge lately. Gray.  Rhoden. ..3 catchers....Will the Twins make any moves up from AAA? JENKINS, CULLPEPPER...SOME THINK GIVE WALLNER ANOTHER CHANCE TO SOLIDY HIM AS STILL BEING A POSSIBILITY OR A MIRANDA? ALSO, THIS Flipping positions all the time is mindboggling to me. The hitting has to have some emphasis.....to be ready for the likes of the Brewers..Phillies..and Braves.. 

[Hunter4848]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

You bought "ocean front property" in Arizona?

You sweet summer child.

You boomers are such suckers for AI slop its frankly embarrassing, but hey there's a name on top of the article it must be written by him!!

[USAFChief]

It's fine to think they should have moved Jeffers. 

To think they could have sold Jeffers (and Larnach) and been better "now" is some strange logic.

[S Bart]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I think the hope is about how they play this year....not who they acquired. That, and they didn't sell, which will look good to most fans. The number 1 predictor of ticket sales is the prior year result......

Good point...but a long term lockout would have a worse impact...for a low market 500 team

[HarmonK03]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye Bean Counter said:

We could have fleeced the market with Jeffers, but we can’t compete without him. This roster isn’t perfect but overall it’s not bad. Unless we catch lightening in a bottle we likely go no where inn the playoffs. 

This roster is poorly constructed and needed to be fixed.  

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, USAFChief said:

It's fine to think they should have moved Jeffers. 

To think they could have sold Jeffers (and Larnach) and been better "now" is some strange logic.

I concur. And I'd have traded Jeffers. He's going to play how many games the rest of the way?

Again, I'm not the owner/GM worried about attendance this year and early next......

[jkcarew]

8 minutes ago, laloesch said:

If the offers weren’t good, makes sense but yeah there gonna lose him this offseason which sucks

The offers were probably very good for a rental. Numerous big spenders wanted a catcher. The returns were very good in the deals that were made.

[S Bart]

7 minutes ago, Hunter4848 said:

You sweet summer child. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for real cheap if you're interested, and maybe a bridge as well...

That London Bridge fell down in the down in the song...

[Patzky]

5 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Okay Twins fans...total talk about pitching......What about the hitting? That has been the challenge lately. Gray.  Rhoden. ..3 catchers....Will the Twins make any moves up from AAA? JENKINS, CULLPEPPER...SOME THINK GIVE WALLNER ANOTHER CHANCE TO SOLIDY HIM AS STILL BEING A POSSIBILITY OR A MIRANDA? ALSO, THIS Flipping positions all the time is mindboggling to me. The hitting has to have some emphasis.....to be ready for the likes of the Brewers..Phillies..and Braves.. 

Guess we will lose Alex Johnson for nothing :(

Yeah there were some potential hitters who could have helped, I'm hopeful that tre lack of traded means that internal help is imminent. I'm also aware that imminent help could take the form of Matt Wallner.

 

[Coach]

I think we did great.  We kept our core, gave up almost nothing, and added proven professionals.

[laloesch]

24 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

I'm a little surprised at the price given that he's making 12.5M next year.  It's a fine move, just sucks because you could've just paid people cash last offseason and avoided giving up cash and prospects now.

And you wouldn’t have gotten Taj, Abel, Rojas.  

[nicholas Anderson]

11 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

they will miraculously be ready just after it is almost impossible to lose rookie eligibility. Or, not at all, if they really fear the lockout will last long. I hope to be wrong.

I read in an article about calling max clark up that date is aug. 14th.

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I concur. And I'd have traded Jeffers. He's going to play how many games the rest of the way?

Again, I'm not the owner/GM worried about attendance this year and early next......

Answer: He will play ALL OF THEM.

[Hunter4848]

3 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

It's fine to think they should have moved Jeffers. 

To think they could have sold Jeffers (and Larnach) and been better "now" is some strange logic.

Larnach certainly isnt a needle mover. A poor defender and a bat that cant play everyday is something that can be easily replaced

[HarmonK03]

1 minute ago, Patzky said:

Answer: He will play ALL OF THEM.

And force their bats into the lineup at 1B.

[weitz41]

Hmm. Alot can go right or wrong here. Hoffman to this BP is a good get. A bit of an overpay but such is a deadline trade. The early trades ended up being the better trades value wise.  The BP should be 4 deep on a normal day. To go from hopefully two deep to four isn't happening with your 18th round pick last year. Loosing Hill will hurt, no getting around it, IF the Twins make the playoffs, that's the price the Twins had to pay...To be 0-0 in October has some value as well.

[jkcarew]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

I concur. And I'd have traded Jeffers. He's going to play how many games the rest of the way?

Again, I'm not the owner/GM worried about attendance this year and early next......

Yep. Even as a fan, I’m not interested in management “proving” anything to me. I’m interested in them making smart moves that build a championship-caliber team, even if those moves are ‘controversial’, and especially if they take some intestinal fortitude and long-sight vision to make. This deadline had none of that. Not that I was expecting it.

[Vanimal46]

2 minutes ago, Patzky said:

Guess we will lose Alex Johnson for nothing :(

Yeah there were some potential hitters who could have helped, I'm hopeful that tre lack of traded means that internal help is imminent. I'm also aware that imminent help could take the form of Matt Wallner.

 

Well it’s possible to DFA him and go unclaimed. Going the rest of the season with 3 catchers on roster isn’t ideal. 

[Linus]

17 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

There was some, yeah, but if we walked away from this "buy" with Hoffman, Minter, and Kramer......does anyone feel like we really "opened up the wallet" or did anything terribly meaningful?

This deadline feels like a half measure.  Admittedly I didn't want this course of action to begin with, and I don't have a problem with any of the trades necessarily (Kramer maybe....wtf?), but this didn't feel aggressive or significantly different to me.

It's a team with too many DHs, too many catchers, too many corner outfielders, and not enough in the pitching staff for me to feel terribly excited.

Again, fully admit it's probably my own bias but I'm underwhelmed at the end of the day.  The lost opportunity costs weren't worth this.

This it’s the very definition of a half measure. They tried to fix a problem they created themselves and end up with an even goofier roster than they started the season with. 

[TheLeviathan]

2 minutes ago, laloesch said:

And you wouldn’t have gotten Taj, Abel, Rojas.  

I think you misread.  I was referring to signing free agents.