Carlos Correa’s Quotes Show That He and the Minnesota Twins Became Misaligned

[Blyleven2011]

Now we really know the answer why baldelli was given a 2026 extension , they planned all along to rip the team apart if we weren't in contention  ...

In my opinion the owners and front office continue their ineptitude of running this dysfunctional team ...

Baldelli is not the answer for a rebuild , he has failed with prospects at this level  ...

 

This is my last post on twins daily for awhile , I'll be back in the off season when they continue ripping down the team , get ready for Lopez and Ryanand others to be traded we don't need them anymore as we are not competitive and won't be for awhile ...

Last year the white Sox set a record for most losses , Colorado might exceed it this year and the twin are going to be in contention for most losses next year , baseball is definitely a different game  ...

Sorry twins fans , it's just the reality of this team ...

 I'll be watching the games and occasionally post on the game threads , I want the younger players to succeed  ...

[Twinkies are for eating]

Your star $200 million dollar player tells you he wants to play third and you don’t listen to him. Wow. The tear down needs to continue with Falvey and Rocco. Unfortunately Falvey is just a PR guy for the Pohlads at this point. Until the Pohlads are gone there is ZERO hope for this franchise!

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, Brandon27 said:

Front office and rocco should had listen to correa cause they have two guys there in lewis and Lee to play short.but once the offseason comes this team not done tearing this team apart Pablo going be gone the coaching aslo and to me  make sense Buxton going wave his trade clause the twins are probably going to be in three+ years rebuild he aint going to stay for that 

Assuming Lopez isn’t going anywhere - same with Ryan - Ober, we’ll see how he looks over the next few weeks?

Bradley - Matthews - Festa - SWR 

Prielipp & lefty obtained from Toronto (Rojas?) could be bullpen options along with Abel from Philadelphia…………moving Matthews or Bradley to Closer seems viable to me but probably not well received by anyone else?

Somebody, maybe Lopez? (I assume they keep him for stability and to educate by example), may get traded in off-season. He would also, with reasonable performance in ‘26, be very valuable at the deadline next year if Twins are not competitive.

The rotation is deep enough to Win right away.

Filling Vazquez spot with some positive impact at C shouldn’t be difficult……. & there’s Jeffers.

Lewis - Lee - Keaschall all seem to slot in on the dirt and if Keaschall is 75-80% of what he showed when called up this group is solid offensively, as Lewis seems to have turned a corner……..I do think that K. Culpepper will have an opportunity at SS by mid ‘26.

Larnach - Buxton - Martin? - Emma? - Wallner? NEW, impact guy via FA or from trading a pitcher……… Wallner is closing in on Julien & Miranda as a one year wonder & potentially not viable in MLB with mediocre defense & 19 singles in 213 AB’s ……. his OBP is good for a guy perpetually hitting .204 but he’s a hole in the line-up that occasionally hits a bomb ……. usually with bases empty. A .455 Slug% with 22 RBI with 25 XBH …….. not very clutch, terrible with RISP!!!

1B & DH ………. Keaschall, to me makes sense at 1B long term with his near-term arm issues. Also, a FA signing for one or both of these slots is realistic. ……..this year’s #1 pick from Wake seems to slot as long-term 2B, IMO.

$25-30M budget on (2) FA position players & $10-$14M budget on(3) FA Bullpen ………. with some arbitration increases (most will be neutral) the total spend should be near or less than ‘25.

For the record - Lewis hasn’t been an option at SS for at least 4-5 years.

[Doctor Gast]

27 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

Now we really know the answer why baldelli was given a 2026 extension , they planned all along to rip the team apart if we weren't in contention  ...

In my opinion the owners and front office continue their ineptitude of running this dysfunctional team ...

Baldelli is not the answer for a rebuild , he has failed with prospects at this level  ...

 

This is my last post on twins daily for awhile , I'll be back in the off season when they continue ripping down the team , get ready for Lopez and Ryanand others to be traded we don't need them anymore as we are not competitive and won't be for awhile ...

Last year the white Sox set a record for most losses , Colorado might exceed it this year and the twin are going to be in contention for most losses next year , baseball is definitely a different game  ...

Sorry twins fans , it's just the reality of this team ...

 I'll be watching the games and occasionally post on the game threads , I want the younger players to succeed  ...

Sorry, Bly! I'm going to really miss your insights & comments! I feel the camaraderie between us & thank you for that! I've cut way back on my participation & don't participate much on game threads. Everything right now seems hopeless as long as Falvey is at the helm.

[laloesch]

2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Royce spent all offseason working at 2B. It's been widely reported. Royce didn't want to switch positions in the middle of a playoff push to a spot he'd never played before because he didn't want to screw things up. Even at the time he said he didn't mind playing 2B in general, he just didn't want to do it in the heat of a playoff push. The Twins didn't move Correa to third because they didn't have anyone who was better at short. Their best defensive alignments were all with him at short. 

I think fans are going to be very upset when Correa gets back to being Correa next year in Houston. We'll see.

I don’t think he’s going to go back to being Correa of old. He’s about to be on the wrong side of 30, has issues with his feet, ankles, back. And his long offensive droughts have nothing to do with what position he plays. He’s been declining for a while now.

[laloesch]

28 minutes ago, Twinkies are for eating said:

Your star $200 million dollar player tells you he wants to play third and you don’t listen to him. Wow. The tear down needs to continue with Falvey and Rocco. Unfortunately Falvey is just a PR guy for the Pohlads at this point. Until the Pohlads are gone there is ZERO hope for this franchise!

That’s news to most fans.  Correa did not produce as promised when he signed that monstrous contract and the Twins know it.  I’m sorry but I gotta side with the franchise on this one. You can’t build a team around a wildly inconsistent and often injured player with a gargantuan contract. It’s simple reality.

[laloesch]

2 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

This discussion is enlightening, but not inspiring.  What is left?  The player we wanted to move - Vasquez is one of the few remaining.  What is the social contract that the Twins should have had with the fans after their one good playoff season?   They broke that promise too. 

What promise? Honest question. It’s a sports franchise for heavens sake not a marriage with all due respect 

[laloesch]

51 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

Now we really know the answer why baldelli was given a 2026 extension , they planned all along to rip the team apart if we weren't in contention  ...

In my opinion the owners and front office continue their ineptitude of running this dysfunctional team ...

Baldelli is not the answer for a rebuild , he has failed with prospects at this level  ...

 

This is my last post on twins daily for awhile , I'll be back in the off season when they continue ripping down the team , get ready for Lopez and Ryanand others to be traded we don't need them anymore as we are not competitive and won't be for awhile ...

Last year the white Sox set a record for most losses , Colorado might exceed it this year and the twin are going to be in contention for most losses next year , baseball is definitely a different game  ...

Sorry twins fans , it's just the reality of this team ...

 I'll be watching the games and occasionally post on the game threads , I want the younger players to succeed  ...

The fact remains though that this group of players offensively was atrocious. They just couldn’t pull together and consistently produce runs and Correa and Buxton (until this season), were a big part of the problem. Wildly inconsistent, deep, deep droughts of no production. I honestly am relieved that Falvey made a decisive decision and changed course instead of just letting this situation languish. I’m not happy about it of course but at least they are reloading and trying something new. Instead of trying to patch something together that isn’t working 

[dxpavelka]

Correa's quotes show that he's either an idiot or  a liar.  He's wanted to play 3rd base for two years and NOBODY knew?  I call BS.  As a SS his contract is somewhat in line.  IF he produces at has historical numbers.  As a 3B his production is a joke.    

[Mark Torgerson]

Carlos Correa was a great shortstop.  That is about all.  His RBI total and run production was very poor for where he batted in the lineup, but that could be said of Wallner, Castro and a few others.    The fact that he was making so much money was the main reason he had to go elsewhere.     If the Twins don't invest that 90 million dollars to bring a better product on the field, there is no doubt that fans will start not showing up at Target Field.    I really don't like the Twin's brand of baseball right now.  As a team they rarely hit and run, bunt, or try and steal bases.  We stole third base for the first time this season last week!  Buxton hasn't been thrown out all year and has never stole 3rd  base.  I believe all this points to the manager or front office and maybe they now realize that the game isn't just analytics.   The Brewers are a model to look at just one state away.    Hopefully, there is a potential owner out there that really likes baseball and wants to put a great product out there.  The Twins have, for the most part, a proud fan base.    The proof is there as recently as the playoff wins over Toronto.  I also believe since Rocco has been the manager, spring training has become too much of a country club.   Players are making more money than ever, let's hold them accountable by learning and teaching the fundamentals that seem to be lacking.  

[USAFChief]

13 minutes ago, laloesch said:

I don’t think he’s going to go back to being Correa of old. He’s about to be on the wrong side of 30, has issues with his feet, ankles, back. And his long offensive droughts have nothing to do with what position he plays. He’s been declining for a while now.

He had a .900 OPS in 2024.

[Doctor Gast]

What gets me is that Correa said he felt he needed to switch to 3B, 2 years ago. What should have happened was that Falvey acknowledged that & find a new SS & switch Lewis to 1B preseason. But in Falvey style, he did not believe what he said; he ignored reality & just plowed through with his agenda like nothing was said. Falvey has blinders on; he doesn't care or has any idea what reality is. He is always right, so why listen to common sense? Much of his foot & ankle problems could be related to him playing SS & the switch to 3B could greatly improve his performance & he could great help HOU at a discount at a bad time for us.  If Falvey took his head out of his ,,,,,,,, computer, we wouldn't be in this situation.

[Squirrel]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

He had a .900 OPS in 2024.

Ah yes … facts … don’t screw up the narratives of those who aren’t in the know and think they do

[laloesch]

6 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

He had a .900 OPS in 2024.

Yeah I know. One season out of what 5.  The fact remains he was absolutely horrendous this season and even in 2024 he was wildly inconsistent at times and that was also true in 2023.  I look at the complete picture throughout the season, not end stats and OPS only.  He has always been a double play machine and a rally killer for long stretches.  He’s not at all the player he once was which is part of the reason Falvey moved him besides the contract.

[NYCTK]

57 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Filling Vazquez spot with some positive impact at C shouldn’t be difficult……. & there’s Jeffers.

The Fans on here clamoring for C depth aren't wrong. Next season's catching is going to be the biggest challenge. Jeffers probably not worth a Qualifying Offer and won't do an extension so you have to decide are you going to trade him in the off-season? Are you going to try to compete and then have the option to trade him mid season if things don't go well (which they won't). 

And with no real options in AAA, that leaves you with TWO catchers to replace for the '27 season. You have two pretty decent prospects but they're both in A+ and shouldn't be counted on any earlier than 2028. So what's the plan to fill that hole in 2027, the year I expect the Twins to be competitive? 

[Brock O. Lee]

The revelation about wanting to move to 3rd is interesting (and convenient), but do we think the trajectory of this team is any different if the FO honored Correa's (alleged) request? Part of the Correa legacy is that, in 2023, it worked. He was good, the team was fun, they made the playoffs, broke the streak, won a series.
But the team stopped spending money in April 2023 when they extended Lopez. I'm pretty sure the biggest free agent signing since Correa was $6.25 mil for Bader. They are saving more money shipping off Correa than they've spent adding to this team in the past two years. The error in this team isn't that it favored/ignored its cornerstone player, or had bad vibes. The error in this team is that they have been exuding buyer's remorse since the investments of early 2023, and obviously wanted a way out. 
I think the Correa era of the Twins is honestly not really about him; it's about a team that briefly chose to contend, and then--with every subsequent decision--failed to follow through with that conviction. 

[chpettit19]

50 minutes ago, laloesch said:

I don’t think he’s going to go back to being Correa of old. He’s about to be on the wrong side of 30, has issues with his feet, ankles, back. And his long offensive droughts have nothing to do with what position he plays. He’s been declining for a while now.

He was having the best season of his career last year before he got hurt. This idea that "he's been declining for a while now" isn't based on reality. It's absolutely not true. No sense in arguing about it, though. We'll see. 

[Hubie29]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

Assuming Lopez isn’t going anywhere - same with Ryan - Ober, we’ll see how he looks over the next few weeks?

Bradley - Matthews - Festa - SWR 

Prielipp & lefty obtained from Toronto (Rojas?) could be bullpen options along with Abel from Philadelphia…………moving Matthews or Bradley to Closer seems viable to me but probably not well received by anyone else?

Somebody, maybe Lopez? (I assume they keep him for stability and to educate by example), may get traded in off-season. He would also, with reasonable performance in ‘26, be very valuable at the deadline next year if Twins are not competitive.

The rotation is deep enough to Win right away.

Filling Vazquez spot with some positive impact at C shouldn’t be difficult……. & there’s Jeffers.

Lewis - Lee - Keaschall all seem to slot in on the dirt and if Keaschall is 75-80% of what he showed when called up this group is solid offensively, as Lewis seems to have turned a corner……..I do think that K. Culpepper will have an opportunity at SS by mid ‘26.

Larnach - Buxton - Martin? - Emma? - Wallner? NEW, impact guy via FA or from trading a pitcher……… Wallner is closing in on Julien & Miranda as a one year wonder & potentially not viable in MLB with mediocre defense & 19 singles in 213 AB’s ……. his OBP is good for a guy perpetually hitting .204 but he’s a hole in the line-up that occasionally hits a bomb ……. usually with bases empty. A .455 Slug% with 22 RBI with 25 XBH …….. not very clutch, terrible with RISP!!!

1B & DH ………. Keaschall, to me makes sense at 1B long term with his near-term arm issues. Also, a FA signing for one or both of these slots is realistic. ……..this year’s #1 pick from Wake seems to slot as long-term 2B, IMO.

$25-30M budget on (2) FA position players & $10-$14M budget on(3) FA Bullpen ………. with some arbitration increases (most will be neutral) the total spend should be near or less than ‘25.

For the record - Lewis hasn’t been an option at SS for at least 4-5 years.

Sounds like a 100 win season in '26! 

[USAFChief]

43 minutes ago, laloesch said:

Yeah I know. One season out of what 5.  

Three of the last five, actually.

Them pesky facts again. 

Now I grant you, facts aren't currently treated with much respect. But still. 

[Aggies7]

2 hours ago, 1985Fan said:

I want to read more about the clubhouse tension referred to. Haven’t heard about it until now. Were there tensions all season we didn’t know about or just at the end when the ship was sinking? 

Pretty sure it was ugly in the clubhouse towards the end of last season too. Didn’t they institute a “different approach” coming into this season because of that? I don’t know why anyone expected anything differently this season, certainly not expecting the twins to make the postseason. If Wednesday’s disaster didn’t cost Rocco his job, I’m not sure what actually will. He’s like George costanza, just can’t get fired no matter what he does or how many former players speak out after leaving.

[RWHiker]

It was an attempt at winning filled with promise - two powerful should be superstars surrounded by young future all stars, ready to be led and become part of a dynasty. But, like all things baseball, what we hope for isn't often accomplished. Far too many factors to determine why, but this group just didn't have what it took to get the job done. If they worked for you, would you continue to throw money at a program that is not producing, and not generating expected profits? There is a time limit on any business model, and this one hit that mark. Let's hope that the next iteration will be better. 

[NYCTK]

36 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

He was having the best season of his career last year before he got hurt. This idea that "he's been declining for a while now" isn't based on reality. It's absolutely not true. No sense in arguing about it, though. We'll see. 

Even WITH the 2024 season his numbers the last 3 seasons on his $200M contract are pretty pedestrian. 108 OPS+ with declining defensive and baserunning ability as well. 

The Giants and the Mets were fortunate not to sign him. And that's just a fact. 

[sweetmusicviola16]

Twins should not have signed Correa to his last FA contract in the first place. They should very well have had the vision to see where the finances would shortly be. But since they did they doubled down imo of trading him for nothing and eating 1/3 of his salary. Another mistake. They will not reinvest the savings but will be able to use the the remaining Correa payout as an excuse of why they can't spend for players. I've never liked Correa, but I also see him rebounding with Houston for the next couple of years. I believe the selloff will continue in November with the dealing of Ryan, Lopez, Ober, Jeffers and whatever they can get for Larnach. The next two years will be very bleak here if you like wins. I'm in the camp that the Pohlad family isn't selling anytime too soon. 

[gman]

4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I think fans are going to be very upset when Correa gets back to being Correa next year in Houston. We'll see.

Don't plan on that happening.

[chinmusic]

4 hours ago, ashbury said:

I'll always thank him for those two games in October 2023).

Yeah. I watched a clip of game 2, where C4 and Sonny Gray teamed up to pick off Vladdy at 2nd. Remember that? The big guy never knew what hit him. It was a thing of beauty!

 

[TheLeviathan]

I think Correa is clearly a very savvy guy when it comes to politics.  He knows how to grease wheels and have imput as an employee.  I'm not 100% sure I like what reads between those lines (As in....why did he want to move to 3B?  Is he feeling the decline?) or how that could grate on some people, but I don't think he's malicious about it.  

I also think Correa is probably done as a regular, high level contributor on the field.  I know people don't like to hear about age cliffs (especially those of us well past those cliffs ourselves!) but the numbers don't lie about career trajectories.

Maybe he's got something left in the tank....but I'm glad the Twins aren't betting on it anymore.

[chpettit19]

22 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

Even WITH the 2024 season his numbers the last 3 seasons on his $200M contract are pretty pedestrian. 108 OPS+ with declining defensive and baserunning ability as well. 

The Giants and the Mets were fortunate not to sign him. And that's just a fact. 

Never argued he lived up to the contract. But I expect OPS+ numbers in the 130 range the next couple years in Houston. We'll see.

[chpettit19]

20 minutes ago, gman said:

Don't plan on that happening.

We'll see.

[NYCTK]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

Never argued he lived up to the contract. But I expect OPS+ numbers in the 130 range the next couple years in Houston. We'll see.

I'll take the under, comfortably. I'd probably take the under on 115 too. 

Let's check back in in 3 years. 😁

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

Now I grant you, facts aren't currently treated with much respect. But still. 

Fire the person who put those stats together. Someone needs to record different stats.