Game Thread: Reds 9/18 5:40 cdt

[Aggies7]

Scoreless outing for Floro. As expected.

 

edit: Nevermind 

Double edit: Nevermind the Nevermind 

[RpR]

5 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

If wallner or Julien make an error in the field, and it doesn't lead to any damage even if they were 4-4 at the plate. Your response would be along the line of how terrible they are and the Twins can't play youngsters. I don't have any stats, but I'd wager that Lewis has affected more games than Buxton has this season. And now pointing out how he's done nothing today. Ludicrous 

He was not the reason they won today whether you like it or not,

[Tlaker]

19 minutes ago, Sutter50 said:

Should he just rub some dirt on it and play on?

Silly response to a serious question.

[jkcarew]

Wonderfully pitched ball game against a desperate team in a hitters ball park!

Please let Lewis be OK.

[Aggies7]

 

[Aggies7]

Take my hamstring, Royce! (please)

[Tlaker]

21 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Ridiculous take. 

Really? Really? Back up that ridiculous statement!

[RpR]

For what it is worth,  even Harmon Killebrew had three seasons during his prime where he missed a lot of games,  a main reason he is not among the 600 home run league.

Including the year the Twins went to the World Series.

Yet there were three years he played 162 games.

 

[Schmoeman5]

3 minutes ago, RpR said:

He was not the reason they won today whether you like it or not,

Today!  It's team game. That was the quote. Who cares if he didn't contribute. He hit a homer yesterday and they lost. Ask any player. Would they rather homer and lose. Or go 0 fer and win. 

[stringer bell]

4 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

 

Two weeks to get better. That’s about what it took for Michael A. I’m sure they’ll do an MRI—hope all it is is a tight hammy. 

[IaBeanCounter]

22 minutes ago, Tlaker said:

How and why do players today feel so much more fragile than they did 50-60 years ago? Players actually had to take part time jobs back then to pay their bills…. athletes today are supposed to be so much better specimens?🤷‍♂️ always get hurt on routine plays?

 I guess they are more thoroughbreds now but so, so fragile 

Your comparison to thoroughbreds is a good analogy.   Today's players solely trained to maximize speed.  Whether its exit velocity or pitching at 100+ mph.  Bert Blyleven often commented on how today's players have been mostly one sport athletes.  Player 50-60 years ago were multi sport athletes that trained their other muscles so there wasn't as much strain on the body.  

So many Twins swing so violently, I'm surprised they don't have more oblique injuries.  JMHO

[stringer bell]

14 minutes ago, RpR said:

He was not the reason they won today whether you like it or not,

The Twins are gonna win the Central with or without Correa and Lewis. This is all about their chances to win games in postseason and advance.

[GusGus11]

Still too early to know true extent

But for early news tight Hammy is excellent news

My medically incompetent read was originally hammy. But most talk was about the groin and had me dooms daying with everyone.

If its really a tight Hammy thats best case.

We play basically town ball teams to close out. Let him rest. Let guys like Stevenson get some ABs and have some fun.

[Eephus]

I haven't carefully followed the whole thread, but players are missing more games, especially pitchers.

https://www.mlb.com/news/pitch-timer-effect-on-mlb-injuries#:~:text=The MLB injury rate has been rising for decades.&text=They got hurt%2C anyway.,noted a milestone in 2022.

[RpR]

4 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

The Twins are gonna win the Central with or without Correa and Lewis. This is all about their chances to win games in postseason and advance.

No doubt, but tomorrow is their last game against a team equal or better than they are and how they do tomorrow will mean a lot.

This game was the opposite of yesterday, different pitchers obviously , but if they win big tomorrow, means a lot.

[Tlaker]

1 minute ago, IaBeanCounter said:

Your comparison to thoroughbreds is a good analogy.   Today's players solely trained to maximize speed.  Whether its exit velocity or pitching at 100+ mph.  Bert Blyleven often commented on how today's players have been mostly one sport athletes.  Player 50-60 years ago were multi sport athletes that trained their other muscles so there wasn't as much strain on the body.  

So many Twins swing so violently, I'm surprised they don't have more oblique injuries.  JMHO

Thanks IBC….always appreciate a well thought out response to a question! It is amazing what MLB players had to do way back when in the offseason compared to today 

[ziggy]

34 minutes ago, RpR said:

It does seem that way but the harder one works-out to stay in shape, the sooner the body may wear out from over use.

You won't catch me wearing out my body running or doing cardio.

What kind of blizzards are we eating tonight?

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, Eephus said:

I haven't carefully followed the whole thread, but players are missing more innings, especially pitchers.

https://www.mlb.com/news/pitch-timer-effect-on-mlb-injuries#:~:text=The MLB injury rate has been rising for decades.&text=They got hurt%2C anyway.,noted a milestone in 2022.

Also an interesting note, the reduced time a player these days has to spend on the IL (or DL back in the day). Could skew the numbers substantially 

[stringer bell]

Guards making a game of it in KC--trailing 7-6 with the tying run on and nobody out in the eighth.

[IaBeanCounter]

2 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Also an interesting note, the reduced time a player these days has to spend on the IL (or DL back in the day). Could skew the numbers substantially 

Also  I wonder if the IL stint was used as often for tired arm syndrome or foot contusion ailments.

[Muppet]

Players are worth oodles more money now. I’m sure it’s in everyone’s interest to play it on the safe side and not sacrifice years off of a career.

[RpR]

For some thing entirely different; it looks like Detroit's Cabrera's last home run may be against the Twins.

[MMMordabito]

C'mon, McArthur!

[IaBeanCounter]

2 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

C'mon, McArthur!

Is this a Royals thread now?

[SwainZag]

40 minutes ago, ziggy said:

You won't catch me wearing out my body running or doing cardio.

What kind of blizzards are we eating tonight?

Reeses Peanut Butter Cup Pie!

[Road trip]

37 minutes ago, Eephus said:

I haven't carefully followed the whole thread, but players are missing more games, especially pitchers.

https://www.mlb.com/news/pitch-timer-effect-on-mlb-injuries#:~:text=The MLB injury rate has been rising for decades.&text=They got hurt%2C anyway.,noted a milestone in 2022.

Also somewhat anecdotal... take a look on BRef sometime at MLB team roster stats from the 70s, 80s, and 90s.  In a typical year a team would utilize 15 -18 pitchers over the course of a year.  A few teams would be more fortunate, and only need a dozen!

For example, 40 years ago, a bad Twins team trying out youngsters, but only used 14 pitchers:  https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/1983.shtml 

That's unthinkable today.  The Twins currently have a half dozen pitchers on the IL.  They've used 28 pitchers this year, and this was a low number.  Last year they utilized 39.  

[stringer bell]

1 hour ago, RpR said:

For some thing entirely different; it looks like Detroit's Cabrera's last home run may be against the Twins.

Nope, he homered on 8/27 against Houston. 

[mrtwinsfan]

1 hour ago, SwainZag said:

Reeses Peanut Butter Cup Pie!

[umterp23]

9 hours ago, IaBeanCounter said:

Your comparison to thoroughbreds is a good analogy.   Today's players solely trained to maximize speed.  Whether its exit velocity or pitching at 100+ mph.  Bert Blyleven often commented on how today's players have been mostly one sport athletes.  Player 50-60 years ago were multi sport athletes that trained their other muscles so there wasn't as much strain on the body.  

So many Twins swing so violently, I'm surprised they don't have more oblique injuries.  JMHO

The dual sport athlete is very rare vs back in the day.  Playing multiple sports throughout high school was always the norm, especially in small schools, small towns.  Staying active, using different muscles for different skill sets develops your body differently.  Part of the problem is the contributing factor of Travel Sports Teams money grab and investment parents are now under to pay for expertise starting with 10 year olds being the next best thing in any sport.  Year round training, the pressure of being the best, etc etc etc. Are certain kids worth it, sure but many are caught up in the wash.  

[IaBeanCounter]

13 hours ago, Aggies7 said:

Also an interesting note, the reduced time a player these days has to spend on the IL (or DL back in the day). Could skew the numbers substantially 

I don't think the time a pitcher has to stay on the IL/DL has changed (15 days) and pitchers had the greatest increase.