Rumor: Dan Hayes on How the Twins Can Pivot this Off-Season

[LewFordLives]

3 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

LOL he is a career .199 hitter

Which means he'll probably be batting clean -up for the Twins!

[SanoMustGo]

2 minutes ago, LewFordLives said:

Which means he'll probably be batting clean -up for the Twins!

Yeah, just more productive outs...LOL

[Irishman]

17 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

That should be the team nickname "Minnesota Twins...home of bounceback hopefuls"

Or “Minnesota Cheapskate”

[Rigby]

1 hour ago, LewFordLives said:

That's fair. This article has caused us to pile on the FO. While it may be fair to pile on them for other reasons, it's probably not fair to judge them based on second hand rumors.

Derek said Hold my beer............

[LewFordLives]

3 minutes ago, Rigby said:

Derek said Hold my beer............

Yeah....the rumor was so crazy I didn't think it could actually be TRUE!

[Danchat]

3 hours ago, SanoMustGo said:

Joey Gallo?  FFS...this FO sure likes their low contact, no position or corner outfiled players.  If they sign him, I will root against this team.  What a joke. 

Well, I guess it's time to start rooting against the Twins!

2 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

It read like Hayes had been admonished recently, because Hayes seemed to defer to "other" plans. What plans? I guess we will just be patient and wait to see what transpires before Opening Day. The article was comical.

Well, whomever told Hayes about Gallo was right... they had a backup plan, it just turns out to be a really bad one!

[tony&rodney]

Simply insane. Wallner is better right now than Gallo. The math says $11 million for Gallo and $720 thousand for Wallner.

And Kepler, far superior - $8.5 million.

[DJL44]

I think I'm ready to pivot too. Trying to figure out what other MLB team to follow next season. MLB.tv is actually a pretty good deal. I can follow a different team for $100. I think it needs to be a National League team, I don't want to root against the Twins, just ignore them. I thought about following the Padres - I've sort of liked that team since they had Tony Gwynn. Problem is they're a west coast team and I can't stay up that late. The NL East teams are all either big market or not trying. I need a team that starts games at 6 or 7, not 9:00. St. Louis is the model of how to run a mid-market franchise. The Brewers look decent and they have no problem going for it if they're close to the playoffs. Any opinions on Brewers or Cardinals?

[USAFChief]

56 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

. Any opinions on Brewers or Cardinals?

One of these is named for beer. 'Nough said.

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

I need a team that starts games at 6 or 7, not 9:00.

Cleveland is a fun team to watch. They pitch, field, run, hit, and have fun playing for the best manager in baseball.

[SanoMustGo]

The only thing we'll get from this FO "pivot" is a pulled groin.

[mrtwinsfan]

8 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Yes, they do. The Twins were better, in relation to the rest of the league, at getting on base last year than they were at slugging. So maybe someone with power would actually be the bigger improvement on the offense.

Gallo hit ??   3 sacrifices is that rumor true?  in his Career

[adorduan]

12 hours ago, SanoMustGo said:

I'll say it again..Bientendi or bust.  We don't need a .190 hitter in the lineup.  We've seen enough of that.

how about .160?

[Major League Ready]

16 hours ago, SanoMustGo said:

LOL he is a career .199 hitter

He hit 199 in 2021 and produced 4.2 WAR.   I would be very happy with a repeat.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

17 hours ago, adorduan said:

I wonder how many get the reference.....

 

17 hours ago, ashbury said:

That's definitely a reference worth including.

I remembered the Jack Kennedy bit, forgot about misspelling potato bit. I was 8.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

9 hours ago, mrtwinsfan said:

Gallo hit ??   3 sacrifices is that rumor true?  in his Career

 fangraphs says 3 sac flies and 1 “sac hit” which I assume to be a sac bunt or fielders choice that scored a run. So 4 sacrifices in his career

[ChermesZ]

15 hours ago, DJL44 said:

I think I'm ready to pivot too. Trying to figure out what other MLB team to follow next season. MLB.tv is actually a pretty good deal. I can follow a different team for $100. I think it needs to be a National League team, I don't want to root against the Twins, just ignore them. I thought about following the Padres - I've sort of liked that team since they had Tony Gwynn. Problem is they're a west coast team and I can't stay up that late. The NL East teams are all either big market or not trying. I need a team that starts games at 6 or 7, not 9:00. St. Louis is the model of how to run a mid-market franchise. The Brewers look decent and they have no problem going for it if they're close to the playoffs. Any opinions on Brewers or Cardinals?

I’m ready to pivot too.  I’ve been a diehard fan since 1987 (12 yrs old).  I went to games in the late 90s where there were less than 10,000 people in the stands.  

 

We used to budget one family game a month - for affordability.

Now it just isn’t worth it.  The cost to experience ratio is way off and the Twins better start listening to their fans before it is too late.  What is the financial level where they cannot afford to run Target Field anymore?

 

So to the point, I just can’t take it anymore.

 

I’d probably go with the Cardinals.  They seem to try on a consistent basis.

[Irishman]

18 hours ago, SanoMustGo said:

LOL he is a career .199 hitter

My goodness!  What?  A career .199 hitter.  If I was a GM, I'd not want him on my team.  

[SanoMustGo]

3 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

He hit 199 in 2021 and produced 4.2 WAR.   I would be very happy with a repeat.

That would probably be a statistical outlier.  I will need to see evidence of this being a good signing before I have any confidence.  I have no faith that this organization can compete.  Let's face it, 2019 was also a statistical outlier for this franchise since 2010.  And yes, the 2020 team was not that good.  They got lucky since they only played games against an awful AL central. And that team also finished 26-24 after a 10-2 start. Other than 2019 the Twins have been average to garbage  Going forward I will need to see it on the field, not just on paper or someone's opinion.  Right now I see a 75 win team unless I see a better record at the end of the 2023 season.  Since they signed the 19th corner outfielder on the 40 man, they will probably trade a young guy instead of Kepler, which means more of the same going forward.

[ashbury]

43 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

Going forward I will need to see it on the field, not just on paper or someone's opinion.  Right now I see a 75 win team unless I see a better record at the end of the 2023 season. 

It's the off-season. Everything's on paper or is opinion.  Check with me again at the end of the 2023 season and I'll give you my revised forecast, too.

[USAFChief]

6 minutes ago, bap3141 said:

If you're citing batting average with Joey Gallo, you're completely missing the point of Joey Gallo.

Did you know not all OBP is not created equal?

Walks aren't worth as much as singles. And worth way less than XBHs.

The idea that batting average isn't important is poppycock.

[USAFChief]

2 minutes ago, bap3141 said:

Oh wow, how insightful of you.  I didn't say squat about the value of batting average now did I?

 

Your implication then is that batting average DOES say something important about Gallo's offense?

 

Because if not, you're completely missing the point of Joey Gallo.

He can't ******* hit.

[JD-TWINS]

On 12/16/2022 at 2:09 PM, HawksNest said:

This FO man.....If the following is true, as quoted from Hayes' article, then why trade Urshela in the first place?  It's just ridiculous and further proof that the FO, I'm sorry, just doesn't have a plan whatsoever. 

"Turner could provide the Twins with several important characteristics, notably a right-handed hitting third baseman to pair with Jose Miranda who could provide valuable leadership in the clubhouse. "

 

 

Pretty sure pairing Turner at 3rd with Miranda being a RH hitter doesn’t make much sense. He’s. it coming from L.A. to MN. I suggested something similar with Evan Longoria, to spell Miranda at 3rd occasionally - DH as RH hitter - bring a positive attitude.

This response is delayed enough so that I already know the sickening sign of the worst of all, Mr. .160BA for 2022 - Joey Gallo.

Gotta keep spending and sign Eovaldi & a reliever to salvage the off season.

[USAFChief]

7 minutes ago, bap3141 said:

I'm not missing any point, pal. I know he can't hit. But citing batting average as your sole evaluation of Gallo is lazy.

 

In addition to "not being able to hit", he strikes out a crap load, walks, hits HRs and plays decent defense. 

 

So, yeah, citing batting average is missing the point of Joey Gallo. And it's lazy.

 

And, btw, I hate the signing as I've stated in other threads. So go pound sand.

Then maybe next time say "only batting average."

[Riverbrian]

10 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

 fangraphs says 3 sac flies and 1 “sac hit” which I assume to be a sac bunt or fielders choice that scored a run. So 4 sacrifices in his career

I have never researched this... Nor would I so I have no point of reference. However, that has to be one of the strangest stats out there. 

[SanoMustGo]

If true, just another example of his lack of situational hitting.

[Steve71]

He does have 77 career home runs with men on base, so that is a pretty good sacrifice fly....that goes over the fence.

[D.C Twins]

Let's all just get along and agree that the Twins are STILL PIVOTING.... though one could argue that they are pivoting so fast now that they are just spinning in circles.... Dang.....this was supposed to be a unifying post!

[Richie the Rally Goat]

3 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

I have never researched this... Nor would I so I have no point of reference. However, that has to be one of the strangest stats out there. 

For career at bats qualified Gallo is number 34 non-pitcher fewest sacrifice flies since 1954 when the stat was tracked by MLB.

That includes offensive stalwarts like Oswaldo Arcia, so I raised the bar from qualified to 2k at bats.

that makes Gallo number 2 behind something called Ryan Freel who had 21 sac hits, making Gallo likely number 1

im not sure what this prestige tells us though, since Ted Williams had no Sac hits and only 20 sac flies in his career. He likely just had enormous RISP and only played a few years after the stat was instituted 

[Riverbrian]

16 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

For career at bats qualified Gallo is number 34 non-pitcher fewest sacrifice flies since 1954 when the stat was tracked by MLB.

That includes offensive stalwarts like Oswaldo Arcia, so I raised the bar from qualified to 2k at bats.

that makes Gallo number 2 behind something called Ryan Freel who had 21 sac hits, making Gallo likely number 1

im not sure what this prestige tells us though, since Ted Williams had no Sac hits and only 20 sac flies in his career. He likely just had enormous RISP and only played a few years after the stat was instituted 

Well... Thank You. I'm not going to get any sleep tonight because I'll be trying to figure out how this is even possible. Freel hit 22 Home Runs so he probably couldn't reach the OF. ?

Gallo has the strength to reach the warning track with his pop ups. His home run total of 177 is tops on the list while his 12 GDP is lowest on the list.   

The Twins just got a rare player indeed.