Rumor: Dan Hayes on How the Twins Can Pivot this Off-Season

[adorduan]

5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Sir, I knew Butch Huskey, and you're no Butch Huskey.

I wonder how many get the reference.....

[SanoMustGo]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Towards the second deck in left, I wager.

don't want the hitters too comfortable in the box

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Is this FO incompetent, that they can’t effectively multitask, to fill gaps in the roster while negotiating with Correa, or are they so hamstrung by budget that they can’t afford to sign Correa and fill other holes adequately?

both paint a picture of incompetence as resigning one player you can’t afford is just as bad as not being able to multitask as a basic pre-requisite of management 

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

I'm also not too interested in the White Sox worst outfielder. 

He didn't hit a lot last year, although it was some ~80 OPS points higher than Celestino, but he'd been over .800 every year but one since 2016, and that was .795.

He's also probably a better CFer than Gilbert.

 

[SanoMustGo]

11 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

He turned down 13MM.......and passable is the high point, but sure, he's passable. 

Turned down 13MM per season?  If that's the case, spend and extra 5 mm per and sign Bientendi.

[Doctor Gast]

When I read Dan Hayes, my eyes rolled. Because he's the one who scooped that Gray & Maeda are drawing interest headline. I was wondering what he was coming up with next. JT, Gallo, Pollock and Klingenbeck are really winners. Where is he getting his info? If there is any truth to what he's saying then IMO this FO has lost it.

[IndianaTwin]

18 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

If they need bullpen help I'll sign for the league minimum.  I'm 57 and can hit 75 on the gun.

Cool. I'll be 57 in a couple months, and I can hit 75 on the gun as well.

I mean, I drive a 2004 Honda Accord, so it takes a few seconds to get there, but I can do it!

[IndianaTwin]

20 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Sir, I knew Butch Huskey, and you're no Butch Huskey.

You say "po-ta-to," I say "po-ta-toe."

[SanoMustGo]

1 minute ago, IndianaTwin said:

Cool. I'll be 57 in a couple months, and I can hit 75 on the gun as well.

I mean, I drive a 2004 Honda Accord, so it takes a few seconds to get there, but I can do it!

see, we can help this team if they are not going to let SP's go deep.  Are you a lefty too?

[AussieG]

15 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Is this FO incompetent, that they can’t effectively multitask, to fill gaps in the roster while negotiating with Correa, or are they so hamstrung by budget that they can’t afford to sign Correa and fill other holes adequately?

both paint a picture of incompetence as resigning one player you can’t afford is just as bad as not being able to multitask as a basic pre-requisite of management 

 

[IndianaTwin]

2 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

see, we can help this team if they are not going to let SP's go deep.  Are you a lefty too?

Nah, it's an automatic, so I use my right foot on both pedals.

[chpettit19]

If they can move Kepler for anything useful and bring in Gallo for Kepler's salary or lower I wouldn't actually mind that. Replace 1 elite defender with another while bringing in whatever you can get for Kepler. That's a net positive. Certainly wouldn't make the offseason a win, though. And I expect Gallo wouldn't be happy to sign for less than 10 million so he's a no for me. But for less than 10 million I'd be ok with it. What else they going to spend their money on?

[ashbury]

5 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

You say "po-ta-to," I say "po-ta-toe."

That's definitely a reference worth including.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

1 minute ago, AussieG said:

 

Wealth and budget are two different things.

[SanoMustGo]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

If they can move Kepler for anything useful and bring in Gallo for Kepler's salary or lower I wouldn't actually mind that. Replace 1 elite defender with another while bringing in whatever you can get for Kepler. That's a net positive. Certainly wouldn't make the offseason a win, though. And I expect Gallo wouldn't be happy to sign for less than 10 million so he's a no for me. But for less than 10 million I'd be ok with it. What else they going to spend their money on?

I'll say it again..Bientendi or bust.  We don't need a .190 hitter in the lineup.  We've seen enough of that.

[IndianaTwin]

2 minutes ago, ashbury said:

That's definitely a reference worth including.

It's a little scary when I say that a few of us are dating ourselves with these references, and I'm including myself in the same age category as @USAFChief.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, LewFordLives said:

If Turner, that would be surprising. You're absolutely right. Why go after Justin Turner when they had Gio under team control for a perfectly reasonable amount? Maybe they think they can get Turner to sign for pennies on the dollars???  I don't know.

I'm sure they'll be "in on" Turner until the end.

[SanoMustGo]

1 minute ago, DJL44 said:

I'm sure they'll be "in on" Turner until the end.

Until the Pirates step in

[nicksaviking]

23 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

Turned down 13MM per season?  If that's the case, spend and extra 5 mm per and sign Bientendi.

I don't want a guy who hit 5 HR last year starting in the outfield.

[HerbieFan]

The veteran bat that interests me is JD Martinez.  That's about it.  He can DH.  Probably could figure out how to play a little 1B.  

Look, after losing Correa, it doesn't matter which FA they now add....either way, they HAVE to have a couple of the Larnach, Kiriloff, Miranda, etc., take big steps forward.  If they don't, 2023 is going to be a lost season no matte what.  I say sign Martinez to fill the DH/Part-time 1B role and let the young guys play the other spots.  

If some young guys progress, a lineup with Miranda at 3B, Farmer at SS until Lewis is ready, Polanco at 2B, Kiriloff/Arraez at 1B, Larnach in LF, Buck in CF, Kepler in RF, Vazquez at C, Martinez at DH isn't terrible.

[DJL44]

34 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

I'd rather have [AJ Pollock] than Cellistino or Kepler out there. As long as it's a 1-2 year deal, give him $15 million then. We have nothing else to spend it on anyway.

They could take on Aaron Hicks contract and buy prospects from the Yankees instead.

[SanoMustGo]

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't want a guy who hit 5 HR last year starting in the outfield.

Then you don't want Kepler either, right.  He hit 9 and his avg was what?  80 points lower?

[chpettit19]

Just now, SanoMustGo said:

I'll say it again..Bientendi or bust.  We don't need a .190 hitter in the lineup.  We've seen enough of that.

You can say it as many times as you want, but I can disagree with your stance. They also don't need another no power bat in the order like Benintendi. I wouldn't be upset with Benintendi, but he's also likely to get a longer term deal than Gallo as Gallo could use a pillow contract to try to gain some value back.

The Twins need whatever kind of offense they can get. You can prefer batting average. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't say they should be knocking the door down to get Gallo. I said if they can trade Kepler and replace him with Gallo it's a net positive. Didn't say it should be plan A. Just said it wouldn't be the worst move in the world. He's an elite defender and has elite power. He's a useful player. Just not a huge difference maker. You're allowed to not like him, though. But if Benintendi is your big move I'm not impressed either. 

[SanoMustGo]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

You can say it as many times as you want, but I can disagree with your stance. They also don't need another no power bat in the order like Benintendi. I wouldn't be upset with Benintendi, but he's also likely to get a longer term deal than Gallo as Gallo could use a pillow contract to try to gain some value back.

The Twins need whatever kind of offense they can get. You can prefer batting average. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't say they should be knocking the door down to get Gallo. I said if they can trade Kepler and replace him with Gallo it's a net positive. Didn't say it should be plan A. Just said it wouldn't be the worst move in the world. He's an elite defender and has elite power. He's a useful player. Just not a huge difference maker. You're allowed to not like him, though. But if Benintendi is your big move I'm not impressed either. 

Someone has to get on base.  I'm sure the Pirates will make a better offer anyway.

[nicksaviking]

3 minutes ago, SanoMustGo said:

Then you don't want Kepler either, right.  He hit 9 and his avg was what?  80 points lower?

That would be correct.

[SanoMustGo]

Just now, nicksaviking said:

That would be correct.

good

[chpettit19]

1 minute ago, SanoMustGo said:

Someone has to get on base.  I'm sure the Pirates will make a better offer anyway.

Yes, they do. The Twins were better, in relation to the rest of the league, at getting on base last year than they were at slugging. So maybe someone with power would actually be the bigger improvement on the offense.

[LewFordLives]

32 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

When I read Dan Hayes, my eyes rolled. Because he's the one who scooped that Gray & Maeda are drawing interest headline. I was wondering what he was coming up with next. JT, Gallo, Pollock and Klingenbeck are really winners. Where is he getting his info? If there is any truth to what he's saying then IMO this FO has lost it.

That's fair. This article has caused us to pile on the FO. While it may be fair to pile on them for other reasons, it's probably not fair to judge them based on second hand rumors.

[SanoMustGo]

3 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Yes, they do. The Twins were better, in relation to the rest of the league, at getting on base last year than they were at slugging. So maybe someone with power would actually be the bigger improvement on the offense.

If he could hit at least .230 and 35 home runs I would be OK with it.  I know the Twins were above avg in OBP.  However, they also need more productive outs and better clutch hitting.  I think more contact will help that, not less.

[SanoMustGo]

2 minutes ago, LewFordLives said:

That's fair. This article has caused us to pile on the FO. While it may be fair to pile on them for other reasons, it's probably not fair to judge them based on second hand rumors.

I think there are are better options out there than the names mentioned.