Cody Christie Twins Daily Contributor Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Shortly after the lockout ends, Major League Baseball expects to conduct this winter's Rule 5 Draft. Here is a look into the best players the Twins have ever taken in the Rule 5 Draft. Many fans associated Johan Santana as the best Rule 5 Draft pick in Twins history, but the Florida Marlins drafted him and then traded him to Minnesota as part of a pre-arranged deal. So, who are the best Rule 5 Draft picks in Twins history? 5. Gary Wayne, RP Twins WAR: 2.5 Minnesota selected Wayne from the Expos organization in 1988, and he pitched out of the team's bullpen for four seasons. From 1989-1992, he posted a 3.44 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP as he walked nearly four batters per nine innings. As part of the 1991 club, he only made eight appearances and allowed seven earned runs in 12 1/3 innings. He still gets a World Series ring for his contributions to that club. The Twins traded him to Colorado following the 1992 season, and he'd only pitch two more seasons at the big-league level. 4. Mark Salas, C Twins WAR: 2.7 Salas joined the Twins from the Cardinals organization and became the team's starting catcher. He finished eighth in the 1985 AL Rookie of the Year voting after hitting .300/.332/.458 (.791) with 34 extra-base hits in 120 games. During his three seasons in Minnesota, he posted a 103 OPS+, which he couldn't replicate after leaving the Twins. In 1987, he was traded to the Yankees for Joe Niekro, who helped boost the team's second-half rotation on the way to a World Series title. 3. Ryan Pressly, RP Twins WAR: 3.6 Pressly is the most current player on this list as he has become one of the AL's best relievers for most of the last decade. The Twins took Pressly from the Red Sox organization in 2012, and he became a core piece of Minnesota's bullpen for six seasons. From 2013-2018 with the Twins, he posted a 3.75 ERA with a 1.30 WHIP and a 112 ERA+. Minnesota traded him to Houston at the 2018 deadline for Gilberto Celestino and Jorge Alcala in a trade that has worked for both teams. 2. Doug Corbett, RP Twins WAR: 8.3 Corbett might be an unknown name to younger fans, but he posted tremendous numbers in a short Twins career. Minnesota drafted Corbett from the Reds organization in 1979. He made an immediate impact in 1980 as he posted a 1.98 ERA in 73 appearances and finished third in the AL Rookie of the Year voting. In 1981, he led the American League in appearances and games finished while also being named to the All-Star team. He was traded to the Angels with Rob Wilfong for Tom Brunansky and Mike Walters the following season. 1. Shane Mack, OF Twins WAR: 19.6 Shane Mack is the clear winner for the best Rule 5 Draft pick in Minnesota Twins history. He was taken in the 1989 Rule 5 Draft from the Padres organization and instantly impacted the team in a big way. In five seasons for the Twins, he hit .309/.375/.479 (.854) with a 130 OPS+. His 1992 season was absurd as he accumulated a 6.5 WAR after posting a 5.0 WAR during the team's World Series run in 1991. He only managed three hits during the 1991 World Series, but he went 6-for-18 with two extra-base hits and three RBI during the ALCS. What memories do you have of the players mentioned above? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion. MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email View full article
AceWrigley Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Nice catch by Joe Carter . . . cough.
HrbieFan Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Loved watching Shane Mack play. There are a lot of good RP arms available this year, hope we hit the lottery farmerguychris and Minny505 2
strumdatjag Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 I get it. The Twins didn’t TAKE Johan Santana, he was taken by the Marlins and traded for the Twins Rule 5 pick and some cash. But C’Mon. He was really a Twins Rule 5 guy. I guess it’s how one defines “Take”. farmerguychris, jrod23, Otwins and 5 others 7 1
Minny505 Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Loved me some Shane Mack. One of the most underappreciated players in Twins history. I don't think his value was clearly understood in his day as a big part of his value was patient ABs and very good defensive play. Otwins and Doctor Gast 2
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Doug Corbett brought back a lot of memories - 10 - 14 2.49 era for three years. The Twins got the best of his 8 years in MLB. I understand why people want Johann. And there is a good case for him since he was traded as a rule V player, he was a transaction, not the normal trade. Scott Diamond deserves a mention too. 19 - 27 in three years with MN. In his second year he was 12 - 9 3.54 and we were expecting a lot from the Canadian. Maybe if Morneau had been here he could have counseled him. His most memorable Twins moment came after Mauer was hit by a pitch and he retaliated meaning he was thrown out of the game and suspended. As an old timer I have to add the top Rule V draftees from the 1960s - I hope you don't mind. In 1961 - our first year as Twins they selected four players - the one that stands out is Johnny Goryl. He played 3 years for us and 3 years for the White Sox, then he had his real calling - managing. He managed 12 years in our minors, going to the championship series five times and winning twice before becoming our manager twice - 1980 he replaces Gene Mauch, 1981 he is replaced by Billy Gardner. 1962 they drafted Rich Reese. He played 10 seasons in the majors as a first baseman accumulating only 2.2 WAR, 260/312/ 384 with a good glove. In 1969 he was 29th in MVP votes for the league. That year Killebrew won it and Jim Perry came in 9th., Carew 10th and Oliva 15th! Jim Holt played for us seven years hitting 272/310/362 and getting a negative WAR - but seven years from a 1967 Rule V is pretty impressive. DocBauer, Doctor Gast and Seth Stohs 3
Trov Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, strumdatjag said: I get it. The Twins didn’t TAKE Johan Santana, he was taken by the Marlins and traded for the Twins Rule 5 pick and some cash. But C’Mon. He was really a Twins Rule 5 guy. I guess it’s how one defines “Take”. I agree, he was still under the same requirements of the rule 5 draft even with the trade. Had we sent him down he would have been offered back to original team he was taken from. I do not recall who did take him and trade him but I am sure their fans do not talk about how great of a rule 5 pick they made. Most likely it was how big of bone head decision not to keep him as the pick. In NBA draft day trades do not get ratified until after the draft so when a team trades a pick, the team trading away the pick, picks for the receiving team, but everyone knows who is actually making the pick. DocBauer and Ski U Mah Gopher 2
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Trov said: I agree, he was still under the same requirements of the rule 5 draft even with the trade. Had we sent him down he would have been offered back to original team he was taken from. I do not recall who did take him and trade him but I am sure their fans do not talk about how great of a rule 5 pick they made. Most likely it was how big of bone head decision not to keep him as the pick. In NBA draft day trades do not get ratified until after the draft so when a team trades a pick, the team trading away the pick, picks for the receiving team, but everyone knows who is actually making the pick. You are right - it was Miami that took him. Here is Do-Hyoung Park's description of what happened, "the Marlins were worried that the Twins wanted Camp, too, and they got in touch with Ryan and proposed a swap of picks to ensure they got their man. They exchanged names the day of the draft, and it resulted in the Twins picking Camp at No. 1 and the Marlins selecting Santana at No. 2. The teams then swapped players, with the Marlins also sending $50,000 to the Twins as each club got the prospect it wanted all along." You might be interested in a Mets retrospective on their trade for Johann - https://metsmerizedonline.com/2020/02/revisiting-the-johan-santana-trade-twelve-years-later.html/ DocBauer and Doctor Gast 2
Doctor Gast Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, mikelink45 said: You are right - it was Miami that took him. Here is Do-Hyoung Park's description of what happened, "the Marlins were worried that the Twins wanted Camp, too, and they got in touch with Ryan and proposed a swap of picks to ensure they got their man. They exchanged names the day of the draft, and it resulted in the Twins picking Camp at No. 1 and the Marlins selecting Santana at No. 2. The teams then swapped players, with the Marlins also sending $50,000 to the Twins as each club got the prospect it wanted all along." You might be interested in a Mets retrospective on their trade for Johann - https://metsmerizedonline.com/2020/02/revisiting-the-johan-santana-trade-twelve-years-later.html/ Thanks Mike, that's what I thought. Johan was under the same conditions as any Rule 5 player. So I consider him as a Rule 5 pick and put him on top of the list. Twins were very good at selecting Rule 5 picks, I used to look forward to them. Now we are losing them, they don't competently evaluate our players, protecting those who we don't need and not protecting those we need and selecting no one who really move the needle. mikelink45 1
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 4 hours ago, strumdatjag said: I get it. The Twins didn’t TAKE Johan Santana, he was taken by the Marlins and traded for the Twins Rule 5 pick and some cash. But C’Mon. He was really a Twins Rule 5 guy. I guess it’s how one defines “Take”. agree
The Mad King Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 I wasn't happy when they traded Corbitt. But getting Bruno in return.... Good deal! Good article! wabene and Seth Stohs 2
big dog Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 Yeah, Doug Corbett was a good player for the Twins, sorry to lose him, but very happy with the return on that trade. Big Shane Mack fan, too. Jim Holt...not so much. Making matters worse, one year it seemed like every pack of baseball cards I bought had a Jim Holt in it.
big dog Verified Member Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 4 hours ago, mikelink45 said: You are right - it was Miami that took him. Here is Do-Hyoung Park's description of what happened, "the Marlins were worried that the Twins wanted Camp, too, and they got in touch with Ryan and proposed a swap of picks to ensure they got their man. They exchanged names the day of the draft, and it resulted in the Twins picking Camp at No. 1 and the Marlins selecting Santana at No. 2. The teams then swapped players, with the Marlins also sending $50,000 to the Twins as each club got the prospect it wanted all along." You might be interested in a Mets retrospective on their trade for Johann - https://metsmerizedonline.com/2020/02/revisiting-the-johan-santana-trade-twelve-years-later.html/ Yeah, of course the Mets would do that trade again. They basically gave up Gomez about four years before he was any good and nothing else. Phenomenal trade. It does point out the risk of a free agent contract, though. One good year and a few memories for $130+ million, signing a guy with no history of injuries. Yikes. Glad it's not my money. mikelink45 1
Greglw3 Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Good call on Corbett. I followed him as a Twin and he was a real gem! As I recall this was after they let Bill Campbell walk but still came up with Corbett and Tom Johnson. Corbett was probably one of the best Twins relievers ever (just for a short time similar to how I refer to Lyman Bostock as one of the best Twins hitters ever (I’d rate him 5th). That first year for Corbett was a doozie!!!
jrod23 Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 8 hours ago, mikelink45 said: You are right - it was Miami that took him. Here is Do-Hyoung Park's description of what happened, "the Marlins were worried that the Twins wanted Camp, too, and they got in touch with Ryan and proposed a swap of picks to ensure they got their man. They exchanged names the day of the draft, and it resulted in the Twins picking Camp at No. 1 and the Marlins selecting Santana at No. 2. The teams then swapped players, with the Marlins also sending $50,000 to the Twins as each club got the prospect it wanted all along." You might be interested in a Mets retrospective on their trade for Johann - https://metsmerizedonline.com/2020/02/revisiting-the-johan-santana-trade-twelve-years-later.html/ Thank you for this. During the winter months, this just absolutely hit the spot. mikelink45 1
LewFordLives Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 No....the Pressley trade has not worked out well for both sides. mikelink45 1
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 I'm good with not including Johan in this due to the title of the article... I'd also have been just fine with him being included. But Johan gets written about a lot... I like reading about players we don't hear about as much.
Trov Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 16 hours ago, big dog said: Yeah, of course the Mets would do that trade again. They basically gave up Gomez about four years before he was any good and nothing else. Phenomenal trade. It does point out the risk of a free agent contract, though. One good year and a few memories for $130+ million, signing a guy with no history of injuries. Yikes. Glad it's not my money. Santana's contract is one of many vets that get long term deal that is very lopsided to the player. He is not the exception but a common outcome. Just look at many of the recent long term deals, most of the time 1 or 2 years are good for the player, the rest are either injuries, or poor play. There are the few that actually play to the value of the contract for most of it.
jmlease1 Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Loved Shane Mack. He was having a terrific season in 1994, another overlooked all-star campaign before the damnable strike. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he had never gone to Japan and kept rocking it in MLB in 1995 & 1996. A great run in MN, and a really fun player to watch. Huge fan of Shane Mack, who I think is terribly underrated.
Rosterman Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 This is an interesting recap. Quite a few actually did play for the Twins. https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-rule-5-draft-history Plus: 1969 - Hal Haydel 1967 - Bruce Look (besides Jim Holt) 1963 - Bill Fischer (notable losses by the Twins were Rudy May and Reggie Smith) 1962 - Charlie Keller 1961 - Bruce Swango, George Banks, Georges Maranda (besides John Goryl) 1960 - Gerry Arrigo, Gary Dotter
Brandon Verified Member Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 What about the minor league portion of the rule 5 draft. We did get Brian Buscher from the minor league rule 5 draft.
Rosterman Verified Member Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 Who have the Twins lost in the Rule 5 Draft? Seems the Twins weren't a HIGH PROSPECTS organization for many of the drafts, not losing any players. *notable players lost in minor league portion of the draft. 2020 - Tyler Wells, Akil Baddoo 2017 - Nick Burdi, Luke Bard 2016 - Stu Turner 2015 - Zach Jones 2014 - Sean Gilmartin 2011 - Shooter Hunt* 2009 - Jose Lugo 2006 - Kevin Cameron, LeVale Speigner, Justin Jones* 2004 - Angel Garcia 1998 - Walker Chapman 1997 - Alan Mahaffey 1995 - Kimera Bartee 1992 - Kerry Taylor 1990 - Doug Simons 1984 - Jim Weaver 1974 - Doug Clary* 1972 - Jose Arcia* 1971 - Brant Alyea, Dick Rusteck* 1969 - Mike Sadek, Rich Donnelly* 1968 - Moe Ogier 1967 - Sandy Valdespino, Hank Izquierdo* 1966 - Orlando Martinez 1964 - Pete Magrini*, Fred Scherman* 1963 - Reggie Smith*, Rudy May*, John Donaldson*, Rob Gardner*, Steve Jones* 1961 - Rod Kanehl* 1960 - Jack Baldschun
Otwins Verified Member Posted December 29, 2021 Posted December 29, 2021 I believe Kimera Bartee the player lost in 1995 just passed away this week. Nice to see you mention him in your post
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