Escobar re-signs with Arizona

Mike Sixel · October 24, 2018

I am probably going to get a big thumbs down or worse but....to me it seems like they either do not want to or do not know how work with the Latino players. Seems like they are easily benched for sent down if they have one or two bad games, while Dozier could have a half season of poor play and still be in the line-up every day. Kepler maybe should have seen the bench a few more times. Morrison got way more time then he deserved. Maybe the Latino players to not feel like they will be given the same chances? Vargas up and down and no consistent playing time. Romero was doing well enough to be here at the end of the year to play.. Even Esocbar wouldn't have been given many chances w/o all the injuries. Can someone explain how the let Vargas go, brought him back and never gave him a chance even at the end of the year when there was nothing left to lose.

I think it is too early to know this, but I can see your argument. The only one I don't get is Romero, the others make perfect sense to me though.....

Battle ur tail off · October 24, 2018

We should look back on all the posts insisting a QO was a good idea because he was going to get close to $50M. He was a free agent and we got 3 prospects that are in our top 25. Should we have just held on to him and hoped he resigned?

No, they should have just offered him an exention and been done with it. Didn't have to give a QO. They got him for 7 mil a year. That's not much for a young, productive ballplayer that can hit and field. Not to mention the way he was as a leader/person, etc

Brock Beauchamp · October 24, 2018

Can someone explain how the let Vargas go, brought him back and never gave him a chance even at the end of the year when there was nothing left to lose.

It probably had more to do with his .752 AAA OPS than his Latino-ness.

And even that .752 doesn't really tell the entire story. His OPS was well under .700 going into August 1st, if I recall correctly.

In short, Kennys Vargas was pretty bad at baseball for most of 2018. That's why he didn't get promoted, especially when the team was trying out guys like Cave and Austin in Minnesota, who are younger and have more upside than Kennys.

Doomtints · October 24, 2018

Can someone explain how the let Vargas go, brought him back and never gave him a chance even at the end of the year when there was nothing left to lose.

Vargas is no longer on the 40-man roster. We'll probably never see him again.

yarnivek1972 · October 24, 2018

Funny thing about Vargas, his numbers at the MLB level are arguably better than at AAA other than his very first stint in AAA back in 2015. I agree though, he never really deserved a look this year.

Twodogs · October 25, 2018

I am probably going to get a big thumbs down or worse but....to me it seems like they either do not want to or do not know how work with the Latino players. Seems like they are easily benched for sent down if they have one or two bad games, while Dozier could have a half season of poor play and still be in the line-up every day. Kepler maybe should have seen the bench a few more times. Morrison got way more time then he deserved. Maybe the Latino players to not feel like they will be given the same chances? Vargas up and down and no consistent playing time. Romero was doing well enough to be here at the end of the year to play.. Even Esocbar wouldn't have been given many chances w/o all the injuries. Can someone explain how the let Vargas go, brought him back and never gave him a chance even at the end of the year when there was nothing left to lose.

Well yeah Escobar is Latino but so was the guy who he was able to wrangle playing time from via the 80 game suspension, Polanco. I really don't get the Vargas thing, it's almost like they didn't want anyone else to have him. They kept giving Berrios chances even after a couple of bad seasons and now he's doing great. Buxton isn't Latino and he really got the shaft at the end of the year. Bottom line is that if the guys are producing they will be playing, a la Rosario. But yeah, Vargas is a head scratcher, why did they even bother to bring him back?

Twodogs · October 25, 2018

I feel like most free agents aren't going to sign with the Twins, I just think that many other teams are more desirable. The Twins will get those guys like Lynn that was having a hard time signing elsewhere. I think the Twins will have a difficult time resigning their own players. When the Twins were able to resign their own guys it was when the Teams themselves were actually good. Think back the late 80's, early 90's and early 2000's when they had good teams, guys more likely will want to stick around if the team is good. But even think back to those 80's and 90's teams some of the guys they brought in from the outside did not want to be with the Twins. I think of Tommy Herr and John Smiley as examples. Yeah they got guys like Jack Morris and Dave Winfield but they were from Minnesota. So there were some different circumstances with those guys. So for the Twins to build a sustainable winning franchise they will need to win and then hope they can keep most of the guys that helped them win. If you were Byron Buxton and you had 2 - 3 studly years from now until the end of his control, do you think he sticks around?? I would like to hear what guys like Torii Hunter thinks about this type of stuff and the Twins franchise?? He left but came back, but he left and it makes you wonder if they couldn't keep one of their super stars from their good teams what are the options for a bad one? Probably more one year contracts??

MABB1959 · October 25, 2018

Well yeah Escobar is Latino but so was the guy who he was able to wrangle playing time from via the 80 game suspension, Polanco. I really don't get the Vargas thing, it's almost like they didn't want anyone else to have him. They kept giving Berrios chances even after a couple of bad seasons and now he's doing great. Buxton isn't Latino and he really got the shaft at the end of the year. Bottom line is that if the guys are producing they will be playing, a la Rosario. But yeah, Vargas is a head scratcher, why did they even bother to bring him back?

I get the if guys are producing but there were many that did not and they didn't get the bench or sent down. Dozier sadly had a terrible year, Kepler had a tough one, Morrison horrible and even Mauer had some bad streaks. I just feel like certain players didn't get nearly the chances.

Twodogs · October 25, 2018

I get the if guys are producing but there were many that did not and they didn't get the bench or sent down. Dozier sadly had a terrible year, Kepler had a tough one, Morrison horrible and even Mauer had some bad streaks. I just feel like certain players didn't get nearly the chances.

Well guys needed to be able to be sent down. They couldn't have sent Dozier, Mauer, or Morrison down even if they wanted to, I'm not sure about Kepler, I'm assuming that he had an option left. Plus Kepler was playing well in the field, plus other things he was doing pretty well this year, such as hitting Lefty's, which seemed to be his kryptonite in the past. He had a good contact rate and a good walk rate and he didn't strike out a bunch either. So when you take all of that into consideration as an organization you are thinking he is doing everything right, the numbers just haven't fallen into place yet. When you look at Sano or any of the other guys that got the bench or sat down they were flailing away up at the plate, plus they were at some point hurt and struggling to recover from injury, I don't really think any conclusions can be drawn between how Dozier, Mauer, Morrison were treated as compared to Latino people. I'd say with Romero when he started to struggle, because he was so young they probably wanted to protect him a little so that they can have him as a part of their organization for years to come. I mean if they had given up on him they would have done what they do to every pitcher they give up on and put him in the pen, a la Duffy. It's kind of a wild assumption that because they are Latino they have a shorter leash, I mean Rosario has been an enigma for years. A dude with a lot of talent but has poor plate discipline and makes some bonehead plays in the OF and on the basepaths but they haven't ever sent him down, but he really hasn't ever been injured until towards the end of this season, so why didn't they treat him poorly? The only people I've ever seen treat Rosario poorly has been the fans on TD, not the organization? At least not so far. After watching the way they treated Buxton this year, mostly just the end of the year, I wouldn't put anything past them, but I don't think it has anything to do with heritage.

Obviously that is just my observation. But I mean they have guys like Tony Oliva who still help out the organization on occasion, and he is Latino, so I don't really see the connection? I mean if they were treated poorly why would he stick around or even come around on occasion? If I were treated poorly by a work place once done they would never see me again. Again just my observation.

Doomtints · October 25, 2018

Funny thing about Vargas, his numbers at the MLB level are arguably better than at AAA other than his very first stint in AAA back in 2015. I agree though, he never really deserved a look this year.

He skipped AAA and probably doesn't feel good about being sent to AAA after playing with potential in the majors.

The dude was jerked around.

It doesn't help that everyone writes that he has no future. He's not dumb, he reads that ****.

woolywoolhouse · October 25, 2018

The Fogo in Phoenix must be amazing.

ashbury · October 25, 2018

The Fogo in Phoenix must be amazing.

Brazil, Venezuela... eh, they're all the same.

Somebody should have acquainted Eduardo with Yelp.

Major League Ready · October 25, 2018

No, they should have just offered him an exention and been done with it. Didn't have to give a QO. They got him for 7 mil a year. That's not much for a young, productive ballplayer that can hit and field. Not to mention the way he was as a leader/person, etc

You missed the point completely. There was a fair number of people who insisted a QO was a good strategy when as you pointed out we could have gotten him for $7M/year. Of course, for all we know the Twins offer $8M/year. Maybe he just did not want to be here. It makes a hell of a lot more sense to take the three prospects and sign Gonzalez or even Iglesias or use the three prospects in a trade.

bird · October 25, 2018

You missed the point completely. There was a fair number of people who insisted a QO was a good strategy when as you pointed out we could have gotten him for $7M/year. Of course, for all we know the Twins offer $8M/year. Maybe he just did not want to be here. It makes a hell of a lot more sense to take the three prospects and sign Gonzalez or even Iglesias or use the three prospects in a trade.

I'm recalling the mention of a 3rd-hand report about Escobar saying privately that he has no interest in returning to the organization. Who knows if this is true, or if a bona fide effort was made to retain him. I didn't like the trade in any event, because I think this team is beyond the cycle of creating temporary holes in the roster for some nebulous future, something I was okay with when they had a dozen other holes and nothing much worth trading to fill them. Any way you cut it, the "whys" of his decision are unknown to us, and speculating about it is a futile exercise. At least they got something in return for him. Time to speculate in futility about other things for me.

howeda7 · October 25, 2018

With all the time available to discuss an extension AFTER the conclusion of the 2017 season and the fact that it took the Twins until the 11th hour of the trade deadline to float an extension offer - (NOTE this was not a negotiation process.), the Twins pissed him off. This was a - "before we trade you would you care to resign for $X?" So now in APRIL he can play is 83 degree temperature rather than in 33 degree temperature. Thank you legislature and Pohlad family for a non domed stadium. Where do you spend: April, May, September and October? And IF we were to ever get to the World Series again, We would be playing Minnesota outdoor baseball in November

Seriously? Give me a break. The Twins should have done more to sign him to an extension, but Target Field not having a roof had nothing to do with it.

howeda7 · October 25, 2018

What are the options for 2B? We can't bank on Gordon and we need someone for 3B when Sano hurts himself or get demoted. Will Dozier take a 1-2 year deal? If Escobar is only worth $7 million, he's not getting much more than that.

Battle ur tail off · October 25, 2018

You missed the point completely. There was a fair number of people who insisted a QO was a good strategy when as you pointed out we could have gotten him for $7M/year. Of course, for all we know the Twins offer $8M/year. Maybe he just did not want to be here. It makes a hell of a lot more sense to take the three prospects and sign Gonzalez or even Iglesias or use the three prospects in a trade.

I agree if he wasn't gonna sign they did a good job getting something for a half season of him. Hopefully at least one of the guys pans out.

TFRazor · October 25, 2018

Trades like this are how you land guys like....I don't know.....Eduardo Escobar.

The irony is rich.

You just made me shoot coffee out my nose. Bravo sir! I'll be sending you the bill for my new shirt that I have to buy now

nicksaviking · October 25, 2018

No, they should have just offered him an exention and been done with it. Didn't have to give a QO. They got him for 7 mil a year. That's not much for a young, productive ballplayer that can hit and field. Not to mention the way he was as a leader/person, etc

They did offer him an extension.

Hosken Bombo Disco · October 25, 2018

They did offer him an extension.

did we ever hear the amount?

Vanimal46 · October 25, 2018

did we ever hear the amount?

Nope. Maybe they offered what Seth was proposing around this time last year.

http://twinsdaily.com/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins/diving-into-the-offseason-an-eduardo-escobar-extension-r6279

Vanimal46 · October 25, 2018

Also, there's nothing officially written that I can find stating the Twins offered Escobar an extension while he was with the team. So that is speculation as well.

yarnivek1972 · October 25, 2018

Also, there's nothing officially written that I can find stating the Twins offered Escobar an extension while he was with the team. So that is speculation as well.

Anything not on the Twins official site is speculation.

The function of the media (of which TD and it’s contributors are a part) is to use their sources and try to find out what is going on that isn’t “official”.

KGB · October 25, 2018

Also, there's nothing officially written that I can find stating the Twins offered Escobar an extension while he was with the team. So that is speculation as well.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/twins-rumors-kyle-gibson-trade-extension.html

It was reported that they offered an extension prior to the trade. It was also reported that they tried to sign 5 of the young players to extension at the beginning of the season. Going 0-6 on contract extensions either indicates they are low-balling players or nobody want to be here, which would be worst case.

Vanimal46 · October 25, 2018

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/twins-rumors-kyle-gibson-trade-extension.html

It was reported that they offered an extension prior to the trade. It was also reported that they tried to sign 5 of the young players to extension at the beginning of the season. Going 0-6 on contract extensions either indicates they are low-balling players or nobody want to be here, which would be worst case.

Good find. Though I caution the wording in the article. They approached him about a possible extension. That could be as simple as the FO approaching him and asking if he wants to be here long term.

In my world of sales talking about potentially signing an extension is the beginning stages of any deal. It becomes more real if years and salary figures were exchanged. Which, the way I read it, were not brought up prior to him being traded.

Battle ur tail off · October 25, 2018

They did offer him an extension.

Well, if they did, he didn't take it. That means they were low on years or money most likely. I don't know, I guess when I have guy like this around, I give him what he needs. I am not saying he is a superstar, not by any means. But the guy is a hard worker and a winner. Tough little guy. If it would have taken 25 million over 3 years, I would have done it with a smile on my face.

70charger · October 25, 2018

Brazil, Venezuela... eh, they're all the same.

Somebody should have acquainted Eduardo with Yelp.

Well, not Venezuela. Yay, PSUV...

Richie the Rally Goat · October 28, 2018

What are the options for 2B? We can't bank on Gordon and we need someone for 3B when Sano hurts himself or get demoted. Will Dozier take a 1-2 year deal? If Escobar is only worth $7 million, he's not getting much more than that.

I think Dozier signs eventually for a minor league deal with an ST invite. He should jump at any ML deal

howeda7 · October 28, 2018

I think Dozier signs eventually for a minor league deal with an ST invite. He should jump at any ML deal

Seriously? I can't imagine him not getting a ML deal. A multi-year deal may not happen for him though.

TheLeviathan · October 28, 2018

Seriously? I can't imagine him not getting a ML deal. A multi-year deal may not happen for him though.

If he does get a major league deal, I don't think the terms will be great. He looks cooked.

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