ANOTHER Trade: Brock Stewart Goes to Los Angeles Dodgers

[UK Twin]

The Twins now HAVE to be sold and soon. The rebuild is on and we need owners who are going to spend.

[SarasotaBill]

Does Houston have any good (over 0.190) left hitting outfielders?

Derek is looking for another. 

[Doc Lenz]

5 minutes ago, Danchat said:

So no prospects for Stewart, just a reclamation project in Outman... hmmm. Hitting about .130 the past 200 PAs after nearly winning Rookie of the Year in 2023. Strikeouts look like a big problem, and he's another lefty OF. Seems to be very good defensively. 

Four years of control on Outman vs 2.33 on Stewart... gotta say I thought Stewart was worth more than that. I'd love to see them fix Outman but it's hard to have faith in this coaching staff with the majority of the younger bats flailing away in the majors. He has to improve big time just to earn that 4th OF spot... I guess you play him every day the rest of the year and see if you get can him fixed up to be the Bader replacement for 2026.

Who’s fixing him?

[Spiritualized]

7 minutes ago, exeoud said:

Full on firesale. At least the franchise has a direction for the first time in a while.

Yeah. Down. 

[twinstalker]

Coloumbe traded to Rangers for XXXXXX

[Riverbrian]

I was on a baseball stadium road trip back in 2022. I sat down in Coors Field with my Blue Moon Beer and Elvis Shake. The Dodgers vs the Rockies was the matchup. I saw the lineup and wondered who this Outman guy was batting 9th for the Dodgers. 

And I watched this kid hit a home run in his very first major league AB.  

I was there and nobody can take that away from me. 

Because I was there for that moment... I took an interest in him and have been watching him. I'm a fan... despite his recent struggles. 

He landed an every day job in 2023. 23 Dingers and 16 stolen bases in 587 PA's. An older rookie at age 25 but it's the Dodgers... which can be a tough nut to crack. 

2024 didn't go so well and he's been not getting playing time since. 

I like the dice roll on this. Power, Speed, Defense. He will cost the minimum. He just has to find that light switch again and start hitting the ball and maybe that comes with opportunity that the Twins will hopefully provide. 

  

[clone52]

Seems like Outman basically replaces Bader, so its almost like Stewart for 2 prospects.

Too many lefties, so I wonder if Larnach or Wallner go today (or this offseason)

[Doc Lenz]

1)These deals tanking the team. Hence with small chances to win Falvey covering for Rocco so he can keep his job because no Manager can win with this team.

2) absolutely no reason to go to games. They should lower ticket prices by 80% and refund 40% to season ticket holders.

3) if Buxton and Ryan don’t get traded in the next 90 minutes what do you think they are thinking?

Falvey reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. 
4)Lifetime fan… 87 series and 91 ALCS attended I give up.

[ihc70]

4 minutes ago, Doc Lenz said:

1)These deals tanking the team. Hence with small chances to win Falvey covering for Rocco so he can keep his job because no Manager can win with this team.

2) absolutely no reason to go to games. They should lower ticket prices by 80% and refund 40% to season ticket holders.

3) if Buxton and Ryan don’t get traded in the next 90 minutes what do you think they are thinking?

Falvey reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. 
4)Lifetime fan… 87 series and 91 ALCS attended I give up.

Trading Brock Stewart is making you give up?

[jorgenswest]

Outman will be too old by the time they are competitive again and block players who need to be playing before then.

Hopefully they can trade him today and get a lottery ticket that has a chance to help in 2030.

Cash would have been a better return. They need to lose with the young players.

[LA Vikes Fan]

James Outman! I live in LA and follow the Dodgers so I can tell you what happened to him. In 2023, finished third in the Rookie of the Year balloting, had a 3.4 WAR, and was the Dodgers centerfielder for the next 5-7 years. In 2024, he got off to a terrible start, got hurt, and was replaced by Andy Pages, will promptly hit and took his job. Pages now starts and has a .795 OPS. Since then, Outman's played very infrequently and has not hit at all. I mean, not at all.  This guy is a complete crapshoot. If given playing time, maybe he could return to the 2023 guy who had a .795 OPS in 550 plate appearances. He does have a .970 OPS in AAA this year in what's called a "hitter friendly" league. More likely though, this is Keirsey all over again. Not much of a return.

[Mike Sixel]

5 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Outman will be too old by the time they are competitive again and block players who need to be playing before then.

Hopefully they can trade him today and get a lottery ticket that has a chance to help in 2030.

Cash would have been a better return. They need to lose with the young players.

1000000000000000000%

[Rufus]

The Twins got a CF named Outman for Stewart ...he should fit right in

[LewFordLives]

Why Outman? He's out of options next season. This could very realistically be Stewart for nothing. Why??? Granted he's not going to fetch a top tier prospect, but he's been very effective when healthy. This makes no sense.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, Danchat said:

Four years of control on Outman vs 2.33 on Stewart

What good is team control of a player most teams would non-tender in the first year of arbitration?

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

42 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Outman will be too old by the time they are competitive again and block players who need to be playing before then.

I don't disagree with the essential fact, but -- They've rostered Dashawn Keirsey for the entire season. A 28-year-old lefty hitter who can play all 3 outfield positions, and who's always hit .100 in the majors. Outman is a 28-year-old lefty hitter who can play all 3 outfield positions, who currently is hitting .100 in the majors, but who has recent history of actually hitting and being a useful contributor.

It's a bad outcome for trading a good, cheap reliever. Absolutely. As a minimal upgrade to a weak spot on the actually existing roster, though, with a sliver of upside, it's not a complete cipher.

[chpettit19]

Wait, they got James Outman in this deal? For what purpose? What purpose does he serve in this organization? What is the plan here? What is this team trying to be? Are they trying to win next year without Correa? This better be one heck of an offseason.

[TheLeviathan]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Negative fwar for the last two years......and 28. On a team supposedly punting this year and trying to be good next year? 

I think for me it's just how little trust I have in Stewart to stay healthy.

[Doc Lenz]

2 hours ago, ihc70 said:

Trading Brock Stewart is making you give up?

Never mentioned Stewart

Maybe you and I can throw out of the pen.

[Dave Borton]

Very poor return on Stewart trade.

[Mike Sixel]

30 minutes ago, TheLeviathan said:

I think for me it's just how little trust I have in Stewart to stay healthy.

Apparently I was wrong about trying to be good next year also.....my bad. 

[chpettit19]

12 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Apparently I was wrong about trying to be good next year also.....my bad. 

Were you? I think there's still a good chance they're trying to be "good" next year. Otherwise, why get Roden and Outman? Those are win now returns. I think there's a solid chance they think they can rebuild their pen on the fly and be back "competing" next year. I think they're trying to play both sides of the fence. And it's why they're going to continue to struggle.

(Good and competing get quotes because I've realized my definition and their definition are simply different. They think a solid floor, mid-80s win, compete for a central title and take your chances team is the definition. I don't)

[Mike Sixel]

3 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Were you? I think there's still a good chance they're trying to be "good" next year. Otherwise, why get Roden and Outman? Those are win now returns. I think there's a solid chance they think they can rebuild their pen on the fly and be back "competing" next year. I think they're trying to play both sides of the fence. And it's why they're going to continue to struggle.

(Good and competing get quotes because I've realized my definition and their definition are simply different. They think a solid floor, mid-80s win, compete for a central title and take your chances team is the definition. I don't)

I can't see how they build a bullpen from scratch. They have zero dependable guys right now. Zero.

I have no idea why they think Outman can be fixed after two years, but hey, I could be wrong. Roden? I can see that one working, but are these better than Larnach/Wallner/Bader were this year, most likely? I don't know.....they have no SS, 2B, C, 1B outside Lee (who I like more on the left side, but have doubts about) and Jeffers........I could see dealing some of the RPs, but not Duran, Jax, Varland, AND Stewart. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

I can't see how they build a bullpen from scratch. They have zero dependable guys right now. Zero.

I have no idea why they think Outman can be fixed after two years, but hey, I could be wrong. Roden? I can see that one working, but are these better than Larnach/Wallner/Bader were this year, most likely? I don't know.....they have no SS, 2B, C, 1B outside Lee (who I like more on the left side, but have doubts about) and Jeffers........I could see dealing some of the RPs, but not Duran, Jax, Varland, AND Stewart. 

Ooops, I forgot Sands, who I guess is your one bullpen guy you can rely on?

[ihc70]

45 minutes ago, Doc Lenz said:

Never mentioned Stewart

Maybe you and I can throw out of the pen.

I guess not.  But it was on the Stewart thread.  Just think it's interesting (understandable, for sure) that we say we're done with the Twins and yet here we are posting on a Twins message board.  

[chpettit19]

15 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I can't see how they build a bullpen from scratch. They have zero dependable guys right now. Zero.

I have no idea why they think Outman can be fixed after two years, but hey, I could be wrong. Roden? I can see that one working, but are these better than Larnach/Wallner/Bader were this year, most likely? I don't know.....they have no SS, 2B, C, 1B outside Lee (who I like more on the left side, but have doubts about) and Jeffers........I could see dealing some of the RPs, but not Duran, Jax, Varland, AND Stewart. 

I don't see a plan here. Not one that makes sense to me at least. At this point I'm hoping for Ryan, Ober, Lopez, Jeffers, and Larnach deals this offseason. No reason to keep those guys. Buxton, too, if he wants out. 

This Stewart for Outman deal just doesn't make any sense to me.

[Doc Lenz]

5 minutes ago, ihc70 said:

I guess not.  But it was on the Stewart thread.  Just think it's interesting (understandable, for sure) that we say we're done with the Twins and yet here we are posting on a Twins message board.  

No where else to post at the time but was watching the freefall on MLB TV. Plus nothing  else to do.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

I don't see a plan here. Not one that makes sense to me at least. At this point I'm hoping for Ryan, Ober, Lopez, Jeffers, and Larnach deals this offseason. No reason to keep those guys. Buxton, too, if he wants out. 

This Stewart for Outman deal just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[sweetmusicviola16]

Why Outman? smh, yuck. I guess maybe if he gets a starting role again maybe he could be decent. idk,not sure there is any plan here at all.

[Danchat]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

This Stewart for Outman deal just doesn't make any sense to me.

The plan is obvious:

1) Sport an outfield of all lefties with Larnach, Wallner, Outman, and Roden

2) ???

3) Profit!