Rockies 6, Twins 4: Minnesota Falls Flat in Second Half Debut

[tony&rodney]

6 minutes ago, Sjoski said:

Paddack gave us… well, technically, he gave us innings. It wasn’t always the kind we hoped for, but they were… innings.

His era in his last 7 games is 8.55

But to support your point, he is giving us more innings. 

 

Hey, I was looking for a positive. We know that the front office fears change. We know Paddack entered unfamiliar territory a month ago. I'm not wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood. I'm just living reality.

[chinmusic]

Well, sometimes you just gotta pivot...

The Twins are one of 7 teams who've never had a player with a 30/30 season...EVER!

Buxton this year?  

 

[LambchoP]

Paddack should be shipped for whatever we can get along with Castro, Bader, Vasquez, France and Coloumbe. Time to give starts to guys that might actually be with the team long term. Call up guys like Mccusker, Eeles, Raya, Sabato, maybe Gonzalez. See if any of these kids can be potential big leagues next year. Get an idea of where we are strong and where we're weak going into the off-season. Guessing to contend we're going to need SP,  LHRP, catcher, 1b and a strong utility player. Possibly a 4rth OF who can hit and platoon with Wallner.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

10 hours ago, Dman said:

Yeah I agree.  They won't do anything until after the deadline though. 

I do think he could be a decent reliever maybe even elite in time.  I just don't think starting is his thing.  At least a thing he can excel at.

A decent reliever? He didn't do well against the first four Rocky batters yesterday, when he was fresh. I just don't think Paddock is a good enough pitcher to keep on the Twins team. There are better options in the minors.

[LA Vikes Fan]

Zebby starts today, Ober back soon? Paddack to the bullpen. Please don’t start him against the Dodgers. 

Let’s face it, we stink on ice. 

[Mike Sixel]

Criminal not to pinch hit for France. Who shouldn't even be in the roster. 

[Dman]

13 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

A decent reliever? He didn't do well against the first four Rocky batters yesterday, when he was fresh. I just don't think Paddock is a good enough pitcher to keep on the Twins team. There are better options in the minors.

You might be right, but it seems that there is a lot more evidence that poor starters can become good relievers.  Than poor starters that become good starters especially at age 29.   I would just say the odds are better for him in the pen given his body of work as a starter. He also just might not be good enough for this level, but I would put him in the pen and find out.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

Even as bad as the Rockies are, they had 37,000 fans in attendance yesterday and are averaging 30,000 per game. Minnesota is 25th in the major leagues in average home attendance this year, averaging 22,000 per game. There must be more to attracting fans to  a major league game night after night, than just winning, although that is a part. So here's my question: Why don't the Twins have more fans in attendance?

[AKTwinsFan]

Even if there's a lefty on the mound Vasquez should not be playing unless it's been like 7-8 games. He just has lost his edge. Instead of putting the ball in play he just routinely grounds out or fly out. It didnt help Paddack seemed to have to shake off some serious rust over the past weeks break. 

[lukeduke1980]

Futility with runners on base 

[ashbury]

Trade deadline is nigh. Sell.

[D.C Twins]

Sell baby sell...

 

[David Maro]

This team can't afford to be down 4 or 5 runs after 1 inning. All the whining about France is not the biggest problem. How about the 35 million dollar man. He came up with runners in scoring position twice and failed. 

With the team being for sale they will be doing very little to change what they are. They won't be filling positions with anyone from St Paul. All you have to do is see the moves they have made so far. 

Nothing is going to change until the organization has changed top to bottom.

[JD-TWINS]

12 hours ago, jkcarew said:

Remember back in June when we were going to sell high on Paddack?

Those were the days!

Yep - also, remember stating over & over here since last season that he’s a 90-100 inning MAX effort performer and that he’d be much better for the Club coming out of the PEN and “spot starting” a half-dozen times for 3-4 innings. he’s pretty good at Max effort for 2 innings or so at a time every 3-5 days.

Preaching to the choir here, he’s 1-4 in last 5 starts and has given up 20 earned in 24 2/3 innings.

He’s thrown 105 innings to date and has been poor to terrible (washed) for the past 30 innings ……..used from the PEN & he may have 60-65 nings to date? I realize he was effective for a stretch of probably 10 out of 12 starts but he also has a half-dozen clunkers to mix in and most of them, consecutively since mid-June.

Matthews for Mankiewicz today on roster and then Ober for Adams in next few days & then Cowboy to the PEN. ……..Ryan - Ober - Matthews - Festa - SWR all give Team a better chance to be competitive than Paddack - that’s got to be obvious. Middle-middle fastballs on 3-2 counts don’t work in high school, let alone in The Show. ……8 days rest and four XBH to start a game …… can’t keep sending him out to start.

 

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, David Maro said:

This team can't afford to be down 4 or 5 runs after 1 inning. All the whining about France is not the biggest problem. How about the 35 million dollar man. He came up with runners in scoring position twice and failed. 

With the team being for sale they will be doing very little to change what they are. They won't be filling positions with anyone from St Paul. All you have to do is see the moves they have made so far. 

Nothing is going to change until the organization has changed top to bottom.

Sure, but they aren't cutting CC. Agreed, nothing g is going to change any time soon. 

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

You might be right, but it seems that there is a lot more evidence that poor starters can become good relievers.  Than poor starters that become good starters especially at age 29.   I would just say the odds are better for him in the pen given his body of work as a starter. He also just might not be good enough for this level, but I would put him in the pen and find out.

He was good enough for at least 10-12 quality starts …….. he’s got to be good enough for “max effort” approach 1-2 inning stints out of the Pen. He’s not good enough, though, to keep him in the rotation!

[mikelink45]

I had to double check my observations and see that he has a 6.75 era for the first inning so far this season - if he is a RP that is the only inning he pitches.  Not a solution. 

[AceWrigley]

1 hour ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

So here's my question: Why don't the Twins have more fans in attendance?

I'd say it's because the owners don't want to spend money and are trying to sell the team. The media package is underwhelming. They play listless and boring baseball a large part of the time, our best players get hurt a lot,  and our young budding stars need more fertilizer or something. But thats it.

[Riverbrian]

The Rockies 26 man roster contains 15 Pre-Arb players. 

The Twins arrived in Denver with 10 Pre-Arb players

The Twins are currently 47-50

The Rockies are 23-74

 

[ashbury]

3 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

I had to double check my observations and see that he has a 6.75 era for the first inning so far this season - if he is a RP that is the only inning he pitches.  Not a solution. 

Starting pitchers pace themselves from the beginning of the game with the aim of throwing 100 quality pitches.  Relievers have the luxury to do things differently in the hope of sitting back down after a dozen.  The quality dimension could become higher.  Guys like Jax and Varland are examples.  That's where the solution, if any, would lie.

[ashbury]

2 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

The Rockies 26 man roster contains 15 Pre-Arb players. 

The Twins arrived in Denver with 10 Pre-Arb players

The Twins are currently 47-50

The Rockies are 23-74

 

What are the Pre-Arb counts for the Dodgers, who we play next?

[mikelink45]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

Starting pitchers pace themselves from the beginning of the game with the aim of throwing 100 quality pitches.  Relievers have the luxury to do things differently in the hope of sitting back down after a dozen.  The quality dimension could become higher.  Guys like Jax and Varland are examples.  That's where the solution, if any, would lie.

SP would pace themselves when they expected to go nine - now they are like RP that throw max as long as they can and then it is the pen.  I do not see anything from Paddack that shows me he has the extra MPH for short bursts

 

[Riverbrian]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

What are the Pre-Arb counts for the Dodgers, who we play next?

I was going to post that when we play the Dodgers. I've been doing it once a series... So for those who want to wait until then... Spoiler Alert... STOP READING HERE: 

 

 

As of July 19 the answer is 10 - The exact same number as the Twins have today. The Twins are in a similar situation as the Dodgers without similar money. 

[Blyleven2011]

10 hours ago, Fezig said:

There is just no reason to continue the charade that this team can compete in the playoffs. Sell Castro, Bader, and any other asset that isn't considered a long term player. At this point I'd rather watch a team that can contend in 2027 or 2028 than a team that is nearly a .500 club.

There lucky they are just about a 500 club , if it wasn't for a 13 game winning streak  we wouldn't even be this close , we would all like to play baseball the way they did in the winning streak  , not going to happen  , mediocre at best ...

Two years in a row with a 12 game or more winning streak and we are not bound for the playoffs ...

Sorry folks  , it's just the reality of this team  ...

[Blyleven2011]

8 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Zebby starts today, Ober back soon? Paddack to the bullpen. Please don’t start him against the Dodgers. 

Let’s face it, we stink on ice. 

We stink on the grass and dirt too ... 

I agree paddack to the pen , if FO trades a few arm like coloumbe or Stewart  , paddack can fill a spot , not saying he's going to succeed but he did pitch effectively in 2023 at the end of the season and playoffs coming back from injury  ...

[Blyleven2011]

8 hours ago, chinmusic said:

Well, sometimes you just gotta pivot...

The Twins are one of 7 teams who've never had a player with a 30/30 season...EVER!

Buxton this year?  

 

This is a team that doesn't keep on giving ...

It's a team that keeps on dreaming ( see front office )

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, Riverbrian said:

I've been doing it once a series... 

My bad. I haven't been keeping up.

[AceWrigley]

A Freeman once had the Moniak of being a Goodman, who was one Beck of a McMahon. C’mon Tovar they cried, we can push the Toglia button and play Doyle-R-Ritter.

[Blyleven2011]

23 hours ago, IndyTwinsFan said:

And likely even further under by the time we leave L.A.

And farther before we leave Colorado  ....

4 games back of 500 , what are the odds we will be 5 back tomorrow afternoon  , who's  pitching for us ???