Royce Lewis injures left hamstring... again 🤬

[Ottomatic1990]

More info. later today. What's the Twins record for number of stays on the IL? 😢 He's like a walking, talking...

[LakesPibble]

He's 26, in his 4th MLB season, and he's played in 182 games.

 

Ouch.

[djvang]

I predicted he'd be hurt again in two weeks after his last IL so he lasted a little longer than that.

[Mike Sixel]

I really think they need to trade him.. you just can't count on him, and doing so makes roster building impossible. 

[tony&rodney]

There was an article recently (The Athletic maybe) that discussed the 10 teams with the most days and potential (measured by expected WAR or something, I forget) lost to injuries. The Minnesota Twins were not on the list and were not mentioned anywhere in the article.

[Vanimal46]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

There was an article recently (The Athletic maybe) that discussed the 10 teams with the most days and potential (measured by expected WAR or something, I forget) lost to injuries. The Minnesota Twins were not on the list and were not mentioned anywhere in the article.

 Correct. The Twins have been quite fortunate on injury luck so far. I guess we will see if Lopez is shut down for the season but beyond that, we are halfway through June and the Twins have not lost a single player to a season ending injury. 

You follow the minors a lot closer than me… Have we lost a single top 10-15-20 prospect to a season ending injury? 

[tony&rodney]

31 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

 Correct. The Twins have been quite fortunate on injury luck so far. I guess we will see if Lopez is shut down for the season but beyond that, we are halfway through June and the Twins have not lost a single player to a season ending injury. 

You follow the minors a lot closer than me… Have we lost a single top 10-15-20 prospect to a season ending injury? 

None lost for the year. A number have missed game action though. Jenkins, Rodriguez, Keaschall, Soto, C. J. Culpepper, Amick, Doncon, and Eeles for sure off the top of my head. Prielipp, Hill, and Cartaya have been held out of games for non injury reasons. Seth would have the complete story. I flipped back and forth between 4 games tonight.

[Vanimal46]

6 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

None lost for the year. A number have missed game action though. Jenkins, Rodriguez, Keaschall, Soto, C. J. Culpepper, Amick, Doncon, and Eeles for sure off the top of my head. Prielipp, Hill, and Cartaya have been held out of games for non injury reasons. Seth would have the complete story. I flipped back and forth between 4 games tonight.

That’s gonna happen. Overall it appears Paparesta is holding up his end of the bargain compared to the last guy who I will never remember their name 

[Irishman]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I really think they need to trade him.. you just can't count on him, and doing so makes roster building impossible. 

Agreed.   He is not durable and reliable.  Trade him.

[tony&rodney]

1 minute ago, Vanimal46 said:

That’s gonna happen. Overall it appears Paparesta is holding up his end of the bargain compared to the last guy who I will never remember their name 

The trainers are all excellent and follow more or less the same routines which are variable based on each player. Playing professional sports demands a level of physical strength, stamina, and recovery uncommon in most any other job. My only guess why some players go to the IL more is related to genetics and how they have built their bodies. However, I sure don't have the answer. The guys who bulk up more seem to get more pulled muscles but that is totally guesswork too. 

A factor that may never be uncovered is rest time. Players today spend many more hours at their jobs which would seem to cut into physical and mental rest time. The emphasis on jogging or running miles every day, especially for pitchers has not been handed down to players. The weight room is a constant though as are massages, stretching, and various means of attempting to salve aches and pains. I just think the injuy situations are complicated.

[Vanimal46]

2 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

A factor that may never be uncovered is rest time. Players today spend many more hours at their jobs which would seem to cut into physical and mental rest time. The emphasis on jogging or running miles every day, especially for pitchers has not been handed down to players. The weight room is a constant though as are massages, stretching, and various means of attempting to salve aches and pains. I just think the injuy situations are complicated.

No doubt… all injuries are complicated. I didn’t go far in baseball, but I do remember running foul poles as a teenager in most practices. And I do wonder if these days players should be more focused on quick twitch, dead sprints instead of jogging and running miles. Perhaps more of an NFL type of training program focused on all-out effort for short bursts helps out more than endurance training 

[jctwins]

3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I really think they need to trade him.. you just can't count on him, and doing so makes roster building impossible. 

I'll be as negative as anyone, but trade him for what? Someone with an equally unstable track record? Why trade a low value asset? Just accept what you have, but I don't know why you trade him for at best a middle reliever. Run it into the ground, but give up building around him.

[Road trip]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

 Correct. The Twins have been quite fortunate on injury luck so far. I guess we will see if Lopez is shut down for the season but beyond that, we are halfway through June and the Twins have not lost a single player to a season ending injury. 

You follow the minors a lot closer than me… Have we lost a single top 10-15-20 prospect to a season ending injury? 

I mean, I guess in the context of MLB in 2025 they have been fortunate, but they've had plenty of guys miss substantial time.  Buxton, Correa, Wallner, Lopez, Lewis...  That's their ace starter and arguably their 4 best hitters.  Also their three largest salary commitments.  Add in two promising rookies (Keaschall and Festa), and an assortment of relievers and minor pieces (Coulombe, Tonkin, Martin, Miranda) and the Twins 40 man is pretty much stretched to its limit.... in June.

I guess I should just be happy that Buxton survived getting hit today....I think.

[Mike Sixel]

18 minutes ago, jctwins said:

I'll be as negative as anyone, but trade him for what? Someone with an equally unstable track record? Why trade a low value asset? Just accept what you have, but I don't know why you trade him for at best a middle reliever. Run it into the ground, but give up building around him.

Because they can't build a team around him. If he's here, they have to count on him. But they can't. You can't ignore him if he's here, they have to plan on him being the third baseman. It doesn't work. 

[FlyingFinn]

The Twins are probably lucky that Lewis didn't want a Buxton type of contract. I believe the Twins would have done it.

[Twodogs]

5 hours ago, FlyingFinn said:

The Twins are probably lucky that Lewis didn't want a Buxton type of contract. I believe the Twins would have done it.

Still might happen at some point in time?

[Twodogs]

16 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

There was an article recently (The Athletic maybe) that discussed the 10 teams with the most days and potential (measured by expected WAR or something, I forget) lost to injuries. The Minnesota Twins were not on the list and were not mentioned anywhere in the article.

I think when you look at things like WAR and not actual numbers it can get skewed a little.  I mean how many days did Ronald Acuna miss this year and what's his WAR projection during that time.  Probably adds up to 6 of the Twins injured relief pitchers combined.  But, it's really hard to play games missing 6 pitchers if you don't have viable replacements.  1 outfielder can be replaced albeit not at the same production, but 1 guy can be replaced more easily.  So it really depends sometimes on 1 or 2 really really great players that are hurt, where with the Twins it seems like everyone is hurt a little bit here and there all of the time.  So you'd think the Twins would be in the top 10 of most injury ravaged baseball teams, but if the Yankees lose Judge for the year they can still play baseball missing one guy, but his WAR would be an incredible loss.  

[tony&rodney]

15 minutes ago, Twodogs said:

I think when you look at things like WAR and not actual numbers it can get skewed a little.  I mean how many days did Ronald Acuna miss this year and what's his WAR projection during that time.  Probably adds up to 6 of the Twins injured relief pitchers combined.  But, it's really hard to play games missing 6 pitchers if you don't have viable replacements.  1 outfielder can be replaced albeit not at the same production, but 1 guy can be replaced more easily.  So it really depends sometimes on 1 or 2 really really great players that are hurt, where with the Twins it seems like everyone is hurt a little bit here and there all of the time.  So you'd think the Twins would be in the top 10 of most injury ravaged baseball teams, but if the Yankees lose Judge for the year they can still play baseball missing one guy, but his WAR would be an incredible loss.  

There were several criteria used and one was simply days on IL. The Twins have been incredibly healthy. Lopez has been the only regular to miss considerable time. One could mention Keaschall as well although he was not a fixture in the lineup yet. 

Your point on a singular measurement is well put though, which is a solid point.

[Exiled in Illinois]

Don't know or really care if the Twins are in "top ten" of teams hurt by injuries.  It looks to me the Twins have been stretched to the breaking point, or perhaps past the breaking point, of being able to remain a competative, playoff caliber team.  I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's likely to be a long, frustrating season.

[S Bart]

One only needs to look at many teams to discover that injuries are prevalent throughout MLB. Until Lewis can show that he is not prone to injury, it would be a mistake to offer him a long-term contract. It is unfortunate that his injuries have been his detriment. He has such an upbeat personality.  I question if a 10-day injury list is enough and would not be surprised if his return takes place after the all-star break., He may be a player who is just susceptible to injury and will never be a star which would be unfortunate. I hope not. Fingers crossed. 

[cheeseheadgophfan]

Just sucks….Royce was just starting  to get his swing back….just another setback in a long list of setbacks. 

[Muppet]

Not to be another one of those 'back in my day' guys ... (though obviously I'm about to)...  I know the game has totally changed, but what happened to the Willie McGee type players? The guy obviously never lifted a weight in his life (the weights weighed more than him) and we was able to play 18 years of average or above average baseball (his career slash line is higher than most Twins this year) with only a few injuries sprinkled in. 

Maybe they're trying to chase that steroid era through more natural means, but I thought those 80s games were far more exciting. Even watching the Cubs lose every game on TV was more enthralling than watching todays good teams hit a few home runs now and then. 

Injuries are a byproduct of more boring baseball. 

That is all. Get off my lawn. (shaking fist at cloud)

 

[USAFChief]

55 minutes ago, Muppet said:

Not to be another one of those 'back in my day' guys ... (though obviously I'm about to)...  I know the game has totally changed, but what happened to the Willie McGee type players? The guy obviously never lifted a weight in his life (the weights weighed more than him) and we was able to play 18 years of average or above average baseball (his career slash line is higher than most Twins this year) with only a few injuries sprinkled in. 

Maybe they're trying to chase that steroid era through more natural means, but I thought those 80s games were far more exciting. Even watching the Cubs lose every game on TV was more enthralling than watching todays good teams hit a few home runs now and then. 

Injuries are a byproduct of more boring baseball. 

That is all. Get off my lawn. (shaking fist at cloud)

 

There is definitely a change for the worse in injuries. Particularly for pitchers.

 

[Dave Borton]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

There is definitely a change for the worse in injuries. Particularly for pitchers.

 

I understand the pitcher injuries related to chasing the speed gun.

But the other injuries? Perplexing.

[Longdistancetwins]

On 6/17/2025 at 12:25 PM, Muppet said:

Not to be another one of those 'back in my day' guys ... (though obviously I'm about to)...  I know the game has totally changed, but what happened to the Willie McGee type players? The guy obviously never lifted a weight in his life (the weights weighed more than him) and we was able to play 18 years of average or above average baseball (his career slash line is higher than most Twins this year) with only a few injuries sprinkled in. 

Maybe they're trying to chase that steroid era through more natural means, but I thought those 80s games were far more exciting. Even watching the Cubs lose every game on TV was more enthralling than watching todays good teams hit a few home runs now and then. 

Injuries are a byproduct of more boring baseball. 

That is all. Get off my lawn. (shaking fist at cloud)

 

I’m old enough to remember Roy Smalley being an early proponent of bulking up for shortstops.  It did make him a really good hitter, but, in the end, he suffered from back injuries (not saying those injuries were necessarily related).  

[Linus]

One aspect of this is early specialization in a single sport. Bodies become “one dimensional” and susceptible to injury compared to the old days when kids played a variety of sports  

[djvang]

57 minutes ago, Linus said:

One aspect of this is early specialization in a single sport. Bodies become “one dimensional” and susceptible to injury compared to the old days when kids played a variety of sports  

Coaches at all levels are increasingly forcing kids to specialize in one sport year round. We used to play whatever sport was in season.