Twins (Ober) vs Royals (Marsh): 9/7/24, 6:15pm

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

Are you related to Rocco?  Your incessant defense of his moronic moves is something.....

ANALYTICS......ANALYTICS.....ANALYTICS.....that's all we hear about....

The ANALYTICS says Duran's ERA and every other statistic is terrible in non-save situations.  But Roc-Head has to get cute and bring him in the 8th.  

Give me the ol'  "thumbs down" because that's what you do.....

Here....let me help you 👎

Ad hominem attacks are the best!

[IndyTwinsFan]

3 minutes ago, BiggestRoccoFan said:

Then Rocco keeps his job.

He has to go.

Absolutely!

[h2oface]

"Ya. You know, Bailey had been real good. 15 in a row. But our odds say 83 pitches is a lot, and they had really batted Bailey around in a couple other games. Odds are they were due to get some hits, off him you know. I think that overrides that at 83 pitches and 15 in a row set down you should stay with him, you know, and give him a few batters and see how it goes, and that maybe he could go out there and get a few more, you know, and that it was time to put Duran in, and let him get some confidence, you know, after giving up that one game winning grand slam, as long as he didn't have to face Witt. That would be too much confidence. You know he and Jax are our go to guys, and they both had gotten slammed around recently, so you have to go with the guys that got you here, no matter how good Bailey was pitching. I mean, 15 in a row isn't really that many."

[wabene]

5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

So you demonstrate by repeating it?

Yes

5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

So you demonstrate by repeating it?

I made my point. Still nobody knows my opinion on Rocco, they assume I'm a "defender". That is not the case, I just haven't offered an opinion. What I have done is call out people who break a code of common decency against any human. Lump it

[cheeseheadgophfan]

7 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Duran not being able to get 6-7-8-9 out being Rocco's fault is why I keep coming back here, never ending pit of hilarious takes!

And you defending the ridiculous moves by Rocco is hillarious.

Let's hear the defense of pulling Ober with 80 pitches?

Why Duran in the 8th and not Jax, other than over-thinking (despite the analytics).

Say something instead of "i'm right, you're wrong". 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

1 minute ago, TwinsCD said:

The fact you come on here strictly to troll people and add zero to any baseball conversation amuses me.  Go away.

Oh sorry, I'll join the circle jerk of constant, unrelenting complaining next time!

"baseball conversation" hahahahahahaha

[mrtwinsfan]

2 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

But Duran IS the closer, that is his job. Way to build confidence, tell the closer he's not good enough.

Or, maybe Ober should have pitched the 8th and Jax the 9th.

FWIW on the TV broadcast they reported that the Twins didn't want Duran to face Witt in the 9th.   Even             worse   thinking from our leader if thats true

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, UpstateNewYorker said:

Ken Rosenthal reported that the Twins didn't want Duran to face Witt in the 9th.

Then Jax should be the man to close games going forward.

Even though statistically he’s been much worse at it than Duran.

[exeoud]

Just now, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Oh sorry, I'll join the circle jerk of constant, unrelenting complaining next time!

"baseball conversation" hahahahahahaha

Yes, people are allowed to complain when things are going bad. 29 out of 30 MLB managers don't lose this game and we have the 1 that does.

[Danchat]

1 minute ago, Aggies7 said:

I’m struggling with the reasoning for putting Duran in over Jax. Duran is still the closer as far as I know. Why would you leapfrog your setup man to have your closer face the bottom of the order?

Relievers have always done better when they have defined roles.

Maybe because Duran has been struggling lately and they wanted him to face the bottom of the lineup and have Jax face the heart of the lineup in the 9th?

Funnily enough, I can remember years ago (in the days of Glen Perkins as our closer) when many here complained about how our best pitcher shouldn't only be used in the 9th in save situations and be used earlier just to get to the 9th inning with a lead. And now we've wrapped back around to defined roles. Personally I am unsure which is the better method.

[MMMordabito]

1 minute ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Rocco has a low baseball IQ.

FTFY

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Just now, cheeseheadgophfan said:

And you defending the ridiculous moves by Rocco is hillarious.

Let's hear the defense of pulling Ober with 80 pitches?

Why Duran in the 8th and not Jax, other than over-thinking (despite the analytics).

Say something instead of "i'm right, you're wrong". 

Jax is the better reliever and the bottom of the order was coming up in the 8th. Acting like you'd choose Bailey Ober to get 3 outs over Duran in any scenario is funny to me, though!

[mnfireman]

2022 all over again? Injuries and bad BP too much to overcome a September swoon?

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Just now, exeoud said:

Yes, people are allowed to complain when things are going bad. 29 out of 30 MLB managers don't lose this game and we have the 1 that does.

Who said they aren't allowed to? The next time I see anything different will be the first!

[Aggies7]

3 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Maybe because Duran has been struggling lately and they wanted him to face the bottom of the lineup and have Jax face the heart of the lineup in the 9th?

Funnily enough, I can remember years ago (in the days of Glen Perkins as our closer) when many here complained about how our best pitcher shouldn't only be used in the 9th in save situations and be used earlier just to get to the 9th inning with a lead. And now we've wrapped back around to defined roles. Personally I am unsure which is the better method.

Duran hasn’t been struggling. It’s just people who are obsessed with MPH on a gun that think he’s been terrible (not saying you). He had one blown save recently. He’s 22/24 in save ops. Jax has had more blown saves in fewer chances going back to last season. So the manager decided that both guys should be put in to roles that they have performed poorly in.

Make it make sense. Anyone.

[mrtwinsfan]

Can only Laugh.  

[Irishman]

Twins bullpen is real disaster all year.    This bullpen is killing Twins.  

[cheeseheadgophfan]

2 minutes ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

And you defending the ridiculous moves by Rocco is hillarious.

Let's hear the defense of pulling Ober with 80 pitches?

Why Duran in the 8th and not Jax, other than over-thinking (despite the analytics).

Say something instead of "i'm right, you're wrong". 

 

2 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Maybe because Duran has been struggling lately and they wanted him to face the bottom of the lineup and have Jax face the heart of the lineup in the 9th?

Funnily enough, I can remember years ago (in the days of Glen Perkins as our closer) when many here complained about how our best pitcher shouldn't only be used in the 9th in save situations and be used earlier just to get to the 9th inning with a lead. And now we've wrapped back around to defined roles. Personally I am unsure which is the better method.

Struggling????  He's great.....IN HIS ROLE....the times he's struggled are in non-save situations.  So what does Rocco do?????  Unreal

[AceWrigley]

Again, the offense didn't give the pitching staff much to work with.

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Jax is the better reliever and the bottom of the order was coming up in the 8th. Acting like you'd choose Bailey Ober to get 3 outs over Duran in any scenario is funny to me, though!

First rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging 

[MMMordabito]

Witt Jr. just agreed that the whole team was relieved that Ober came out.

Rocco got played like a fiddle, once again.

[IndyTwinsFan]

8 minutes ago, RpR said:

What if they get into the Postseason?

With any luck, they won't.  Unless they're to embarras themselves even more than they already have.

(And I can hardly believe I'm writing that.)

[ChermesZ]

Just now, AceWrigley said:

Again, the offense didn't give the pitching staff much to work with.

That’s because the leaders aren’t there.  This lineup is severely hobbled without buxton and Correa.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

5 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Jax is the better reliever and the bottom of the order was coming up in the 8th. Acting like you'd choose Bailey Ober to get 3 outs over Duran in any scenario is funny to me, though!

The fact that a guy who has just retired 15 guys in a row and is at 80 pitches should be pulled for a guy with an ERA around 5 in non-save situations is funny to me......

This just proves my point you know NOTHING about baseball.

Hey....tell Rocco he sucks at the next family dinner you're at.....

[mrtwinsfan]

Yes it hurts=AGAIN-    but come on , this has become a nightmare with all our hitters,  on them

[Parfigliano]

9/7/24 is a text book example of Rocko making an unnecessary decision that put TC in a situation to lose the game.  Players didnt execute and they lost.

[exeoud]

1 minute ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Who said they aren't allowed to? The next time I see anything different will be the first!

People call it like it is. The Twins do not warrant any positivity right now. This is another monumental collapse that we saw a carbon copy of just 2 years ago. And of our 3 best players, 2 of them are constantly injured and the third, Lewis, has turned from a franchise cornerstone to a low baseball IQ free swinger.

[Peter]

Horrible crushing devastating loss😤😭🤮💩🤬😡👎😥

[Danchat]

1 minute ago, exeoud said:

Yes, people are allowed to complain when things are going bad. 29 out of 30 MLB managers don't lose this game and we have the 1 that does.

How do we know that the other 29 managers don't make this mistake, though? Last I've seen Rocco pulls his starters at an average rate and plenty of other fanbases also think their managers are horrible, unless you've been watching all of the other teams how do you know? 

And even if Ober gets through the 8th without giving up any runs (which isn't a sure thing), how do we know Jax doesn't blow the game in the 9th like he blew it in the 8th?

Look, I don't like Rocco either and I am on board with him getting fired. But the assumptions about how the game would go aren't as sure of things as people seem to think they are. And any manager in MLB is screwed when their top two relievers give up a combined 7 baserunners in one inning. And the next Twins manager may as well make this same mistake - who's to say this regime even thinks that was a bad call?

[Craig Arko]