Twins should sign Pete Alonso next year

[C-Gangster]

Honestly I think they should sign Pete Alanso in 2025 next year because he is really good and santanas only on a 1 year deal  if we signed Alanso to a 3 year 150 million dollar deal that could probably work keeping us over our salary cap so we could have alanso as our full time 1st baseman and have Kirloff as out back up 1st baseman still keeping him and playing him even tho Santana has proved himself in spring training so far santana will be 38 and alanso will be only 30 last year 2023 alanso drove in 118 runs and had 48 homeruns we need more power hitters because Buxtons always injured corneas on a cold streak tho I think he will do better next year Lewis is also injured alot even tho they're healthy now just wait even tho they're my favorite players but they get injured alot so he would really be a good addition. With the young guys and kepler Correa and Buxton so the lineup could be something like Julien buxton Lewis alanso Correa kepler lee jeffers Wallner and that would be a Dominint lineup also to my earlier posts we could have lee as our dh next year that's when he will be ready and that's probably when we need him also we can trade kirloff so yeah I think this would work out really good. 

 

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, C-Gangster said:

Honestly I think they should sign Pete Alanso in 2025 next year because he is really good and santanas only on a 1 year deal  if we signed Alanso to a 3 year 150 million dollar deal that could probably work keeping us over our salary cap so we could have alanso as our full time 1st baseman and have Kirloff as out back up 1st baseman still keeping him and playing him even tho Santana has proved himself in spring training so far santana will be 38 and alanso will be only 30 last year 2023 alanso drove in 118 runs and had 48 homeruns we need more power hitters because Buxtons always injured corneas on a cold streak tho I think he will do better next year Lewis is also injured alot even tho they're healthy now just wait even tho they're my favorite players but they get injured alot so he would really be a good addition. With the young guys and kepler Correa and Buxton so the lineup could be something like Julien buxton Lewis alanso Correa kepler lee jeffers Wallner and that would be a Dominint lineup also to my earlier posts we could have lee as our dh next year that's when he will be ready and that's probably when we need him also we can trade kirloff so yeah I think this would work out really good. 

 

You will need to loan (give) the organization about $110M to make that happen.

Whole bunch of reasons that’s not happening but even if the $50M per year was only $22M per year……….the money is staying with guys they have and potentially on pitching if there’s a glaring need after ‘24.

[CRF]

Yeah...as much as I'd like to see that happening...I'm gonna bet the ranch that it doesn't. 

[Schmoeman5]

Pete Alonzo is pretty good. All-star. But he's not worth 50 million.  He doesn't move the turnstiles or sell merchandise. That domain belongs to today's Babe Ruth. 

[Parfigliano]

Alonso IS NOT signing a 3 year contract.  He will be 30 December 2024.

[cmoss84]

If we did trade for Pete this year, and tried to extend him...what would you offer?

Would he take 4/100?

[DJL44]

What would you do with Jose Miranda?

[jkcarew]

He’d be a good fit if you could get him at a reasonable cost. But you won’t be able to get him at a reasonable cost. A lot of his numbers suggest he’s an ‘old’ 30…still, somebody’s going to give him more…probably significantly more…than 3 years.

Much more likely that they hand the primary 1B role to Miranda, Julien, or Kirilloff…depending on who makes the stronger case between now and then.

[nicksaviking]

16 hours ago, cmoss84 said:

If we did trade for Pete this year, and tried to extend him...what would you offer?

Would he take 4/100?

He's probably the second best bat on the market next year. I'd guess those years and dollars are low.

[Mike Sixel]

30 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

He's probably the second best bat on the market next year. I'd guess those years and dollars are low.

concur. 

[chpettit19]

21 hours ago, DJL44 said:

What would you do with Jose Miranda?

If you think Pete Alonso can still be a 130 or higher OPS+ bat? You don't worry about Jose Miranda. But there's always plenty of ABs to go around. The "log jams" or questions about where everyone will play never actually become problems. The lineup is about as healthy as you could ask right now and I'm pretty sure we could find a way to fit Pete Alonso into it even with Miranda. If the Twins ever get to a point where they have a legitimate problem with not being able to get all their 115+ OPS+ bats on the field we should be ecstatic. 

But, more importantly, I don't think Pete Alonso is a good investment for what he's going to get paid because he won't be a 130+ OPS+ bat for much longer from the looks of things. But Jose Miranda shouldn't stop the Twins from adding an All Star bat if they can (News flash: They can't cuz they can't afford any so it's really all moot anyways).

[Jocko87]

The comparison isn't to Jose Miranda, necessarily.  Payroll aside, the comparison is to the one year rental you can sign for 70% and no long term commitment.  When that one year guy can be an RH outfielder/DH one year or a 1B/3B/DH guy another, something like Alonso is a luxury item. 

Maybe you can be willing to get the premium one year rental at equal cost if its the perfect roster fit.  I would be willing do an even comparison of production after 5 years and there's a pretty good chance Alonso comes in second.

Payroll considered, I have to think there will be a TV situation soon that allows something more than $4m and $6m for the rental spot.  $15m can go a long way in this role, especially considering an Alonso basically squeezes cost controlled Miranda and Julien off the roster. 

[mickster]

On 3/9/2024 at 2:42 PM, JD-TWINS said:

You will need to loan (give) the organization about $110M to make that happen.

Whole bunch of reasons that’s not happening but even if the $50M per year was only $22M per year……….the money is staying with guys they have and potentially on pitching if there’s a glaring need after ‘24.

Plus - not sure about his locker room presence?   Sounds like a Donaldson too me

[Rod Carews Birthday]

There is about one reason to do this -- get some power production right now.  However, there are several not to do it, as many other posters have commented.  He's getting old.  Too many years.  He's an "old" 30.  The cost isn't affordable.  Etc.  etc.  etc.  Signing him would require a massive investment that the Twins aren't willing to make, nor does the player project well enough to justify the cost for any team to make it. 

[Dman]

While I agree with many of the reasons above just to pile on here's a couple more.  The reason they would only do one year deals this year is because next year is kind of a balloon year with Correa's biggest salary year and Pablo moving into the 20M range and while they don't have a ton of arb salaries for next year by 2026 they will have Ryan and Ober and others to deal with for Arb salaries. 

They also still have TV revenue uncertainty until that is settled they don't really know how far they can stretch things and will play it safe until that gets resolved.

 We are going to have to live with what we have and with players on the margins to fill gaps or trades involving up and coming talent with lower salaries .I don't see them adding another large contract anytime soon.

[bean5302]

On 6/12/2024 at 6:38 PM, cmoss84 said:

If we did trade for Pete this year, and tried to extend him...what would you offer?

Would he take 4/100?

Alonso shot down the Mets' extension offer of 7yrs / $158MM so I'd say no way he takes 4yrs / $100MM. I do not understand the obsession with Alonso at all. Going out and signing free agents means the team has failed to develop players who could fill the free agent's shoes internally, and the Twins have a whole pile of bat first, defensively limited options. What a 2.5-3.5 WAR player (currently) like Alonso brings to the table beyond guys we already have who are making league minimum is limited, especially for the huge cost and risk of the long term contract he'd saddle onto Minnesota.

[cmoss84]

7 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Alonso shot down the Mets' extension offer of 7yrs / $158MM so I'd say no way he takes 4yrs / $100MM. I do not understand the obsession with Alonso at all. Going out and signing free agents means the team has failed to develop players who could fill the free agent's shoes internally, and the Twins have a whole pile of bat first, defensively limited options. What a 2.5-3.5 WAR player (currently) like Alonso brings to the table beyond guys we already have who are making league minimum is limited, especially for the huge cost and risk of the long term contract he'd saddle onto Minnesota.

I agree he probably gets more elsewhere. But we weren't supposed to sign Correa either.

We ALWAYS have tons of hitting in minors...doesn't seem to pan out that often. Be nice to have 40hr for a couple seasons out of someone.

[jorgenswest]

Listed in Bowden’s 5 trades he would like to see before the deadline.

“Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall”

 

 

[bean5302]

1 hour ago, cmoss84 said:

I agree he probably gets more elsewhere. But we weren't supposed to sign Correa either.

We ALWAYS have tons of hitting in minors...doesn't seem to pan out that often. Be nice to have 40hr for a couple seasons out of someone.

There were a myriad of factors which led to Carlos Correa returning to Minnesota; none of which are in play for Alonso coming to the Twins.

It's hypothetically possible Alonso could take a lesser deal than expected, and actually, I think he will wind up getting substantially less than the 7 years / $158MM Mets offer. Even then, there will be tons of other options which will be less expensive for a team tight on salary.

It's also hypothetically possible Alonso could be notably better than the plethora of other Twins internal options, but there are tons of other options to trade for or sign a similar production talent to Alonso.

Pete Alonso is a poor fit in almost every way for the Twins right now. It makes almost no sense to pursue him.
 

[baul0010]

On 6/12/2024 at 6:55 PM, DJL44 said:

What would you do with Jose Miranda?

We don't need Pete eating what little salary we will have next year.  We will put Miranda at 1st if Lewis stays healthy and will have a great infield.  Pitching is still (and seems likely to always be) the weak link.  

[cmoss84]

2 hours ago, bean5302 said:

There were a myriad of factors which led to Carlos Correa returning to Minnesota; none of which are in play for Alonso coming to the Twins.

It's hypothetically possible Alonso could take a lesser deal than expected, and actually, I think he will wind up getting substantially less than the 7 years / $158MM Mets offer. Even then, there will be tons of other options which will be less expensive for a team tight on salary.

It's also hypothetically possible Alonso could be notably better than the plethora of other Twins internal options, but there are tons of other options to trade for or sign a similar production talent to Alonso.

Pete Alonso is a poor fit in almost every way for the Twins right now. It makes almost no sense to pursue him.
 

There is a TON of FA pitching next year. There's a lot of risk in spending big money on pitching...but big risks not having pitching for playoffs as well. I'm fine either way in these regards.

When it comes to Alonso, who do you find available in any way at his level (you said tons and I am genuinely interested). If we could find a cheaper route for a powerful bat, that money (or prospects) could go SP.

[bean5302]

13 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

There is a TON of FA pitching next year. There's a lot of risk in spending big money on pitching...but big risks not having pitching for playoffs as well. I'm fine either way in these regards.

When it comes to Alonso, who do you find available in any way at his level (you said tons and I am genuinely interested). If we could find a cheaper route for a powerful bat, that money (or prospects) could go SP.

Why does it have to be a free agent?

Feel free to access MLB leaders on Fangraphs and do a sort by wRC+. There are 77 players with 100+ plate appearances in MLB with a higher wRC+ 

There are probably at least 10 MiLB players who could be called up in 2025 who will hit just as well or better than Alonso's current mark, too.

[cmoss84]

1 minute ago, bean5302 said:

Why does it have to be a free agent?

Feel free to access MLB leaders on Fangraphs and do a sort by wRC+. There are 77 players with 100+ plate appearances in MLB with a higher wRC+ 

There are probably at least 10 MiLB players who could be called up in 2025 who will hit just as well or better than Alonso's current mark, too.

You said trade or sign...so I said "in any way." I didn't say FA only.

BTW he has hit most HRs in baseball since 2019...and the Mets organization is toxic as F.

[LA Vikes Fan]

I started a separate thread on this. The prices being quoted in the media are in my view way too high for a guy like Pete Alonso. I also think that any thought of signing him for 2025 and beyond is a complete fantasy. He actually likes New York and wants to stay there, the only question is will the Mets pony up the contract necessary to keep him. From what I have read, he wants a little more than what Freddie Freeman got from the Dodgers – 6 years, $162 million. Beating that is what will take to sign him so let's not kid ourselves that we can get him for less. To show you the trade cost, the Athletic just published an article about "FIve Trades I'd Like To See" before the MLB trade deadline. One of them involved the Twins trading for Pete Alonso:

Twins get: Pete Alonso

Mets get: Alex Kirilloff, David Festa, Luke Keaschall

I for one would be very irritated if the Twins made this trade. Let's start with what we get. Pete Alonso is a great hitter and would be a great fit in the middle of our lineup for the next two or three months. After that, he is going to a high revenue team for 2025 and beyond, most likely returning to the Mets. He likes it there, he likes New York, and it's only a matter of whether they will pony up the money. If the Mets won't pony up the money, another East Coast team will. I have to think the Yankees are looking for a first basemen for next season given Anthony Rizzo's struggles. Alonso is the very definition of a short term, half season rental. And that's before we think about whether ownership would be willing to part with the about $8 million he still owed for the rest of the 2024 season.

Now let's think about what we would give up. I am down on Kirilloff as are many others, but he still has high end upside. I wouldn't mind using him as part of a trade given his redundancy with Larnach and Wallner (I think Miranda has won the first base job starting next season unless he falls off the table), but not when you have to give up two quality pieces to go with him. Festa is probably our best starting pitching prospect and certainly the one closest to the Majors. Keaschall is only 21 and looks to have some real upside in the middle infield. That's important when we remember that Correa is only going to be the starting SS for another 3-4 years, when he will age out. Lewis' knee injuries probably leave him at 3B for the foreseeable future. Lee or Keaschall may be the SS starting in 2026 or 2027. Way too big a package for two or three months of Pete Alonso, way too much. I might give up one of the three as long as it wasn't Festa plus a less heralded prospect or two like Schobel or Rosario, but not the three listed. 

It's possible that this is classic clickbait from a New York homer wanting to improve his team. If it's not, the necessary prices far too high to pay for 2 to 3 months of anyone not named Aaron Judge. This is a hard "No" for me.

[cmoss84]

11 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

I started a separate thread on this. The prices being quoted in the media are in my view way too high for a guy like Pete Alonso. I also think that any thought of signing him for 2025 and beyond is a complete fantasy. He actually likes New York and wants to stay there, the only question is will the Mets pony up the contract necessary to keep him. From what I have read, he wants a little more than what Freddie Freeman got from the Dodgers – 6 years, $162 million. Beating that is what will take to sign him so let's not kid ourselves that we can get him for less. To show you the trade cost, the Athletic just published an article about "FIve Trades I'd Like To See" before the MLB trade deadline. One of them involved the Twins trading for Pete Alonso:

Twins get: Pete Alonso

Mets get: Alex Kirilloff, David Festa, Luke Keaschall

I for one would be very irritated if the Twins made this trade. Let's start with what we get. Pete Alonso is a great hitter and would be a great fit in the middle of our lineup for the next two or three months. After that, he is going to a high revenue team for 2025 and beyond, most likely returning to the Mets. He likes it there, he likes New York, and it's only a matter of whether they will pony up the money. If the Mets won't pony up the money, another East Coast team will. I have to think the Yankees are looking for a first basemen for next season given Anthony Rizzo's struggles. Alonso is the very definition of a short term, half season rental. And that's before we think about whether ownership would be willing to part with the about $8 million he still owed for the rest of the 2024 season.

Now let's think about what we would give up. I am down on Kirilloff as are many others, but he still has high end upside. I wouldn't mind using him as part of a trade given his redundancy with Larnach and Wallner (I think Miranda has won the first base job starting next season unless he falls off the table), but not when you have to give up two quality pieces to go with him. Festa is probably our best starting pitching prospect and certainly the one closest to the Majors. Keaschall is only 21 and looks to have some real upside in the middle infield. That's important when we remember that Correa is only going to be the starting SS for another 3-4 years, when he will age out. Lewis' knee injuries probably leave him at 3B for the foreseeable future. Lee or Keaschall may be the SS starting in 2026 or 2027. Way too big a package for two or three months of Pete Alonso, way too much. I might give up one of the three as long as it wasn't Festa plus a less heralded prospect or two like Schobel or Rosario, but not the three listed. 

It's possible that this is classic clickbait from a New York homer wanting to improve his team. If it's not, the necessary prices far too high to pay for 2 to 3 months of anyone not named Aaron Judge. This is a hard "No" for me.

I would definitely not give up those 3 for Pete. But I have seen quite a few trades where only 1 top 100 prospect is enough.

Be nice to win a playoff series this year...

[tony&rodney]

Trade this year? I would offer Lewis or Culpepper.

FA signing? I would offer 3/$15.

Correct, I'm not interested in a bungled trade and a free agent signing is not happening above my number, not by the Twins.

[tony&rodney]

Not Royce, the milb pitcher.

[LA Vikes Fan]

Here's a thought. Send Kirilloff and Keaschall with the Mets sending Alonso AND the $$ to pay him for the rest of 2024. I don't want to trade Festa. Pitching is too hard to find. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

On 3/10/2024 at 1:41 PM, Parfigliano said:

Alonso IS NOT signing a 3 year contract.  He will be 30 December 2024.

Yeah, similar situation to Aaron Judge. Didn't hit free agency until he was 30.

[Jocko87]

6 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

Listed in Bowden’s 5 trades he would like to see before the deadline.

“Twins acquire 1B Pete Alonso from Mets for 1B Alex Kirilloff, RHP David Festa and 2B/OF Luke Keaschall”

 

 

There's a reason Bowden does radio these days.