Ted Schwerzler Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 In early December, it was announced that former Minnesota Twins great pitcher Jim Kaat was being inducted into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. Elected by the Golden Days Era Committee, “Kitty” was getting his due. Now the Twins have announced they’ll celebrate him too. Becoming the ninth member in organization history to have his number retired, Kaat will join the likes of Joe Mauer, Harmon Killebrew, Rod Carew, Tony Oliva, Kent Hrbek, Kirby Puckett, Bert Blyleven, and Tom Kelly. Kaat was a three-time All-Star and 16-time Gold Glove winner. He won a World Series ring with the St. Louis Cardinals in 1982 and finished with 283 career wins. Jim Pohlad released a statement saying, “For more than sixty years, Jim Kaat has been an important part of the fabric of the Minnesota Twins organization. With ‘Kitty’s’ storied career on the field as well as his accolades in the broadcast booth and his contributions in the community in mind, the Twins family is proud to bestow our highest honor with the retirement of his jersey – number 36. We are excited to celebrate his decades-long commitment to Twins Territory, as well as his much-deserved and long-awaited induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, this coming season.” Since retirement Kaat has made a home in the broadcast booth working for the Twins and other organizations around baseball. His trademark on the microphone is the ability to tell stories and take us back to the game as it was before. As someone who threw more than 4,500 innings during his career, there’s no doubt he’s seen it all. Kaat was a crafty southpaw, but that didn’t stop him from compiling over 2,400 strikeouts on the mound. For the Twins, number 36 will have been worn by a total of 34 players. It was last worn in 2020 by Tyler Clippard, and since Kaat, most famously by Joe Nathan. Minnesota’s former closer is also up for induction into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame this year, but his candidacy appears to be falling well short. A pregame celebration for Kaat’s jersey retirement will take place on July 16 against the Chicago White Sox. You can bet Minnesota will plan further festivities surrounding the day. MORE TWINS DAILY CONTENT — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email View full article
strumdatjag Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 That’s a tough one. Frankly, I think the Twins retire too many numbers. Kirby and Harmon are obvious. Tony and Joe are worthy. However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere (like Kaat) and TK was a manager. Kent HrBek is the most questionable choice. Sorry to be such a negative guy here. Don’t get me started on lowering flags to half staff too much or I’ll be a complete pariah.
wsnydes Old-Timey Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, strumdatjag said: That’s a tough one. Frankly, I think the Twins retire too many numbers. Kirby and Harmon are obvious. Tony and Joe are worthy. However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere (like Kaat) and TK was a manager. Kent HrBek is the most questionable choice. Sorry to be such a negative guy here. Don’t get me started on lowering flags to half staff too much or I’ll be a complete pariah. I get what you're saying, but he spent 15 years in MN. That's more than any of the other retired numbers aside from Mauer (15) and Kelly (16). It's not like he was here for a cup of coffee. ? chinmusic, USAFChief, Game7-91 and 3 others 6
Nashvilletwin Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 I may be in the minority, but what took so long? Karbo, Eris, mikelink45 and 4 others 7
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, strumdatjag said: That’s a tough one. Frankly, I think the Twins retire too many numbers. Kirby and Harmon are obvious. Tony and Joe are worthy. However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere (like Kaat) and TK was a manager. Kent HrBek is the most questionable choice. Sorry to be such a negative guy here. Don’t get me started on lowering flags to half staff too much or I’ll be a complete pariah. Wait... Rod Carew shouldn't have his number retired by the Twins? His best years and most of his hits came in a Twins uniform. He's the all-time leader in WAR for all Twins players in 60+ seasons. Jim Kaat spent like 12-13 seasons with the Twins (and a few with the Senators). mikelink45, TopGunn#22, chinmusic and 4 others 7
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said: I may be in the minority, but what took so long? This would be my question.... should have happened 30-35 years ago... Game7-91 and Karbo 2
Craig Arko Old-Timey Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 If this game actually takes place, I might consider attending. Karbo 1
tony&rodney Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 I always thought it would be cool if the Twins had their own Hall of Fame (like they do), put those numbers up around the stadium (they do), but did not retire the numbers. Maybe then fans could watch player X wearing #6 and patrolling the outfield at Target Field and trying to live up to the number. Nothing real against #82, but I can't relate to that number. I also think former players would like to see someone doing their number proud. Always loved Jim Kaat and very happy for him. Joe Nathan sure did the #36 proud playing for the Twins though too. DocBauer and chinmusic 2
strumdatjag Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Seth Stohs said: Wait... Rod Carew shouldn't have his number retired by the Twins? His best years and most of his hits came in a Twins uniform. He's the all-time leader in WAR for all Twins players in 60+ seasons. Jim Kaat spent like 12-13 seasons with the Twins (and a few with the Senators). I struggled with Carew. Frankly, I didn’t want to be accused of a double-standard when I used the “other teams” criteria against Kaat. I’ll admit it’s hard not to retire Carew’s number, but it’s hard to see all the players who had their numbers retired by more than one team (I like Hank Aaron but the Brewers retired his number - really???)
tony&rodney Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, strumdatjag said: (I like Hank Aaron but the Brewers retired his number - really???) Aaron played his first dozen years in Milwaukee and was a beloved player for baseball fans in the Midwest, especially Wisconsin and Milwaukee. This is the obvious explanation but I get your point. The Braves may have moved to Atlanta but Milwaukee never left Aaron. Game7-91, mikelink45, TopGunn#22 and 1 other 4
Squirrel Community Moderator Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 4 hours ago, strumdatjag said: However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere He’s in the HoF as a Twin. I think that gets him his number retired. Karbo, Longdistancetwins, chinmusic and 2 others 5
USAFChief Twins Daily Contributor Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said: I may be in the minority, but what took so long? Concur. Karbo 1
Rosterman Verified Member Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 Nothing against ANY of the number retirements. Hrbek was the local boy who did really good. Baseball Hall of Fame numbers? Sadly not close, but a strong presence for the Twins as a player and a Minnesotan. He is one of the top players in our history, as was Jim Kaat, who overshadowed ALL of his fellow pitchers in that same time frame as A MAN of the organization. Others have been given legacy in the Twins Hall of Fame. Kaat is deserving of a number retiring. As is Hrbek, Carew and everyone else. Karbo 1
Game7-91 Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Long overdue, and well deserved honor. And a smidgen of happy news ? today Karbo and Eris 2
RJA Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 I am in the camp that says why did it take so long. He was a Twin for 15 years as wsnydes noted and he excelled not only as a player but an announcer on the national scene. He was the best fielding pitcher I ever saw. Plus, he was a great pinch hitter and runner. He was a fantastic athlete. Are any of you old enough to remember how Halsey Hall used to love calling him "Kitty"? I read once that his nickname was not only because of the last name but also because he was as quick as a cat coming off the mound to make a play. Karbo and TopGunn#22 2
Michael (ClassicMNTwins) Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Should Jim Kaat have his number 36 retired? Seriously? Well, consider… the fact that he was an original Minnesota Twin, part of the 25 man roster when the Twins first season commenced in 1961, and would be in the Twins organization for parts of the next 12 seasons that he was on the mound to pitch the complete game victory in 1965 that clinched the team’s first League pennant. that he would have been the team’s first Cy Young award winner in 1966 with a 25 wins, but the retiring Sandy Koufax was the sole pick, as only one pitcher in both league was honored back then that he is among a small fraternity of players who have been active in 4 decades - beginning with the 1959 Washington Senators, and ending with the 1983 Cardinals. He pitched against both Ted Williams and Darryl Strawberry that his great durability and character, the huge number of innings pitched yearly, besides his well-publicized 16 Gold Glove Awards, etc, and stellar broadcasting career both locally and nationally… …make him a beyond-worthy choice to have his uniform number retired. So, I could really care less if he pitched another 20 years in Japan or on Pluto, the guy’s got an incredible story and legacy. And he should be on the Wall. Connor Gould, Karbo, mikelink45 and 1 other 4
strumdatjag Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 I won’t complain much. Kaat’s a stand-up guy with good numbers as a Twin. He was also the best color guy on the tube ever. I still think the Twins retire too many numbers. Fun to be the villain and I’m not even trolling.
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 11 hours ago, strumdatjag said: That’s a tough one. Frankly, I think the Twins retire too many numbers. Kirby and Harmon are obvious. Tony and Joe are worthy. However, Rodney played much of his career elsewhere (like Kaat) and TK was a manager. Kent HrBek is the most questionable choice. Sorry to be such a negative guy here. Don’t get me started on lowering flags to half staff too much or I’ll be a complete pariah. Carew won SEVEN batting titles as a Twin. I think we can let him slide. TopGunn#22, chinmusic, mikelink45 and 1 other 4
mikelink45 Old-Timey Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Why not? I see no controversy. Good players and good people need to be made examples. New fans look at those numbers and wonder who they are which leads to baseball history and that is essential to the fullest pleasure the game can give. Congratulations Kaat - like others I wonder why it took so long. TopGunn#22, Michael (ClassicMNTwins) and Karbo 3
strumdatjag Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Let’s look at the slippery slope created by retiring Jim Kaat’s number. Does that mean that the Twins are now expected to retire Bert Blyleven’s number? Kaat and Bert are both borderline Hall of Fane pitchers who spent a large number of years with the Twins (often in years where they were not the number one starter), and then continued to serve the organization as a color guy on TV. On top of that, Bert helped the Twins win a World Series. Then what about Johan Santana, Brad Radke’ …
Longdistancetwins Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Bert’s 28 is retired, judging by the illustration I see above on Twitter, so that horse has left the barn. There is something to be said for retiring numbers of Cooperstown Hall of Famers who go in as Twins and played honorably there for a long time. Others (like Hrbek) can be debated. (If you told me in mid-1976 that Bert’s number would be retired by the Twins, I would never have believed it. It’s great that life is funny and unpredictable at times.) Didn’t know that great fact that Kitty would have won the Cy Young in 1966 had it not been for the retiring Sandy Koufax (I didn’t become a fan until 1967). Karbo and TopGunn#22 2
Blyleven2011 Verified Member Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Kitty is the winngest lefthanded pitcher in twins history ,,,, He was fun to watch weathercit was pitching or hitting ,,, Not many pitchers can win a game with its arm and bat ,, kitty could... End of story you youngsters, kitty was a hall of fame caliber pitcher .... What took so long TopGunn#22 1
TopGunn#22 Verified Member Posted January 15, 2022 Posted January 15, 2022 In my humble opinion, Blyleven and Kaat were never "borderline" HOF'ers. Had Bert pitched for the Yankees his career stats would have seen him elected YEARS ago. Kaat, at minimum, should have had the Twins retire his number YEARS ago. As was mentioned, in 1966 there was only one Cy Young Award winner for BOTH Leagues. Koufax was "otherworldly" in his final big league season. Look up the stats. If the A.L. had named a CY Young winner as well, Kaat would have easily won. Plus, add on SIXTEEN (16 !!!) Gold Gloves and with 283 career wins he EARNED his ticket to Cooperstown. But yes, the TWINS should have put him in THEIR Hall of Fame YEARS ago. What I'm NOT sure of is this: When Joe Nathan is inducted into the Twins HOF, will we put up TWO #36's ??? Michael (ClassicMNTwins) 1
Twins33 Verified Member Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 1:06 PM, Nashvilletwin said: I may be in the minority, but what took so long? Same as Blyleven, it seems. They didn’t think either deserved it until they got into the MLB HOF.
chinmusic Verified Member Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 12:42 AM, dxpavelka said: On 1/12/2022 at 1:14 PM, strumdatjag said: Carew won SEVEN batting titles as a Twin. I think we can let him slide. And speaking of sliding, he did a lot of that too...like into the plate when he was stealing home. 7 TIMES in one season...sheesh!
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 I was actually going to amend my quote to include that. Well played.
Michael (ClassicMNTwins) Verified Member Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 On 1/15/2022 at 12:42 PM, TopGunn#22 said: In my humble opinion, Blyleven and Kaat were never "borderline" HOF'ers. Had Bert pitched for the Yankees his career stats would have seen him elected YEARS ago. Kaat, at minimum, should have had the Twins retire his number YEARS ago. As was mentioned, in 1966 there was only one Cy Young Award winner for BOTH Leagues. Koufax was "otherworldly" in his final big league season. Look up the stats. If the A.L. had named a CY Young winner as well, Kaat would have easily won. Plus, add on SIXTEEN (16 !!!) Gold Gloves and with 283 career wins he EARNED his ticket to Cooperstown. But yes, the TWINS should have put him in THEIR Hall of Fame YEARS ago. What I'm NOT sure of is this: When Joe Nathan is inducted into the Twins HOF, will we put up TWO #36's ??? They will post a “36A” and a “36B,” I predict!
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