Front Page: Multiple Teams Are Interested in Kyle Gibson. Should the Twins Be?

[Shaitan]

Thanks for the contributions so far, but no thank you.

 

Gibson-level production is valuable to a team over 162+ games. But to me it's worth arbitration price, not the price of a free agent contract.

[bustedstuff88]

Gibby (no offense to him) is very over rated in the national rankings. That just is what it is.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

1 year, incentive laden contract with a team option for a second year is the best way for the Twins to handle this unknown quantity. The Twins know Gibson's demeanor and his work ethic, but no one, and I do mean no one, can predict with certainty how he will hold up due to his disease, I don't care what "someone" said the Cleveland Clinic ( I assume a  doctor who is a specialist in this disease and who has extensively examined Gibson and his health records and based on hundreds of other patients and consultation and medical studies) reported.

[SomeGuy]

Toronto (of all teams) has already sat down with Odorizzi's agents.  If this is an indication of how many teams will be interested, maybe he won't be accepting that QO.

[prouster]

I wouldn’t mind if they brought him back, although he definitely shouldn’t be the only starter they sign. Based on nothing but a gut feeling, I think he’ll wind up with the Cubs.

[nicksaviking]

 

Gibby (no offense to him) is very over rated in the national rankings. That just is what it is.

 

I'm not itching for Gibson back, but I suspect there's a proximity bias here. Most likely you'd feel the same about everyone ranked below Gibson had you watched them pitch for the Twins the last half decade as well.

[Blake]

I wouldn't mind Gibson coming back but I think he is a candidate for a change of scenery.

 

No matter what, I wish Mr. Gibson nothing but the best.

[Battle ur tail off]

I'd take him back. As long as it's in the plan that he is a #4-5 guys and can be demoted or DFAed if he's not working out. I wouldn't sign him to a multi year deal though with that illness hanging over his head. 

 

That said, Kyle is a great guy and even if he isn't the best pitcher, he's great in the community, around kids, etc. 

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

Given all the teams looking for pitching the Twins will be lucky to come away with two mid-tier arms via free agency or trade. They need to keep all options open, including Gibson. Realistically, the Twins rotation will probably be Berrios, Dobnak, two via free agents or trades, and another internal option for the last spot.

Agree. Many are predicting/dreaming of the Twins making many major moves this off season. I don't see it happening. I look for the resigning of Odorizzi and Pineda and a backup catcher and a couple of internal options filling out the rotation. These will cost close to 30mil anyway.

 

Sorry, the idea of the Twins investing 70-80 mil in trades and FA's doesn't line up with our history. It isn't happening.

[adorduan]

If he's healthy and some team can get him to throw his slider more, they could end up with a pretty good pitcher...

[ewen21]

 

Only Berrios is better at this point. I have no idea what that first sentence means. The other guys might eventually be better, but not one of them is as ready to help win baseball games as a healthy Gibson to start the season next year.

You would say Gibson is better than Odorizzi?  I don't know about that one

[Mike Sixel]

 

You would say Gibson is better than Odorizzi?  I don't know about that one

 

Odorizzi isn't on the roster right now, which is what the post I responded to was talking about.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Mike Sixel

[ewen21]

Odorizzi isn't on the roster right now, which is what the post I responded to was talking about.

Jake is still an option. We can’t say they’ve moved on from him. Do you think Gibson is better?

[Twins1964]

Way past time to move on from Gibson. Over the years he has been obstinate in refining his mechanics and nibbling incessantly. Twins can and will do much better not signing KG. Some team will overpay for KG and end up regretting paying him the $$$. Tigers don’t change their stripes.

[Danchat]

I think the reason why teams are interested is because they see the high swing-and-miss rate he has and teams think they can fix up the warts. Despite the "nibbler" reputation he has here, he only had a 3.2 BB/9 and also has that same mark for his whole career. It's hard to predict how he'll do with his condition, but he'll be a quality option if he's healthy.

 

I'd rather not take on that risk, and I wish him luck with whatever team signs him. 

[John Bonnes]

 

This tweet smells funny. Looks like Gibson's agent is leaking this info in order to stir up a bidding war....I'm guessing every free agent pitcher has 10 teams kicking the tires on him.

 

 

 

Ditto.

 

I'll never say never. If you would have asked me in September, I think I would've said I expect him back, just because it makes some sense for both teams. But at this point, I only want him back as either a #5 starter (which blocks Dobnak, Smeltzer, etc.) or maybe as a #4 starter if they end up with one of the top five FAs on the market.

 

And I see no reason to rush this. If he's scooped up by someone before February, so be it. There are another 5-10 starting pitchers that "could be good if...." guys on the market to replace him. 

[Dave Overlund]

I know stats and analytics are as hot as Hansel right now, but Gibson just doesn't pass the eye test for me, personally. It's a slog to make it through one of his starts. 

 

He's an awesome guy, and not a bad pitcher, but I personally would like to move on from the Gibson experience. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Jake is still an option. We can’t say they’ve moved on from him. Do you think Gibson is better?

 

No, but again, that was not the post I was responding to.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Jake is still an option. We can’t say they’ve moved on from him. Do you think Gibson is better?

the Twins have to find at minimum 3 starting pitchers who are currently not on the roster, and preferably 4.

 

Odorizzi and Gibson are both options, but neither of which are currently signed https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1195023702955479047?s=20 .

The FO can’t ignore second and third tier starters because they only want the top tier. The players need to come in non-sequential.

 

If you get Odo on the qualifier (not done yet) and Gibby on a 1 year cheap deal, that’s a good floor to build on as you go after the harder fish to catch.

[nicksaviking]

 

The FO can’t ignore second and third tier starters because they only want the top tier. The players need to come in non-sequential.
 

 

Especially because there's a good chance most of the top tier don't sign until late in the winter, at which point if you don't get one, you're left with nothing.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Especially because there's a good chance most of the top tier don't sign until late in the winter, at which point if you don't get one, you're left with nothing.

 

This. Cole won't sign until after Strasburg, most likely. And unless Stras re-ups early with Washington, it will be January ..... 

[cardsfan]

I'd take him back. As long as it's in the plan that he is a #4-5 guys and can be demoted or DFAed if he's not working out. I wouldn't sign him to a multi year deal though with that illness hanging over his head.

 

That said, Kyle is a great guy and even if he isn't the best pitcher, he's great in the community, around kids, etc.

[cardsfan]

Would he have a better WHIP in a NL park that is not a bandbox? He looks like you have to make a long reliever out of him if you have 5 better starters.

[Tomj14]

 

The Twins have better younger and cheaper options at this point; Gibson is 32 and at the downturn of his career.

Call me disappointed that the Twins kept running out Gibson last year when there were better younger pitchers than him.

Besides Berrios, who are these better younger pitchers? Currently they don't have Odo or Pineda on the team.

With that being said I am not a big fan of him returning (I could see him going to the Cardinals and being great, similar to what Lohse did), unless they don't go out and get two pitchers plus Odo.

[gman]

It might be expecting too much of Wes Johnson, but I wish we had him working with a healthy Gibson this year. Or better 2 years ago.

[Vanimal46]

 

Shocked that his market is heating up this early in the winter...

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

Shocked that his market is heating up this early in the winter...

Sounding like the Rangers.

[Vanimal46]

Sounding like the Rangers.

They found success in our disappointing pitchers last season (Lynn). I guess they're going back to the well for more!

[nicksaviking]

 

Shocked that his market is heating up this early in the winter...

 

This early of a signing makes me think national projections (MLBTR at least) for Gibson's free agent stock was probably too high, and at least in this case, Twins fans' perspective might have been more accurate. 

 

What's everyone's predictions? I'll go with 1 year at $8M with a $10M option for 2021.

 

But it is the Rangers, they might have done something wacky like 3/36M.

[Diesel]

This early of a signing makes me think national projections (MLBTR at least) for Gibson's free agent stock was probably too high, and at least in this case, Twins fans' perspective might have been more accurate.

 

What's everyone's predictions? I'll go with 1 year at $8M with a $10M option for 2021.

 

But it is the Rangers, they might have done something wacky like 3/36M.

3 years for 30 million, so your prediction was pretty close. More than I would pay. Gibby will be 35 when the contract is done?