Noah Syndergaard

[Vanimal46]

 

I don't see #Twins on any recent tweets... Sigh.

[Roaddog]

I did see Morosi tweet that the Twins have asked about Ray

[crapforks]

The optimist in me assumes the Twins made a competitive offer and the Mets have to see if anyone is willing to top it. The pessimist in me knows that if that premise is true, the offer will be topped.

[PseudoSABR]

 

I did see Morosi tweet that the Twins have asked about Ray

I'm not sure how much an upgrade Ray would be over Pineda or Perez, his ERA (3.95) is currently out performing his FIP (4.27), though his Ks are sexy; I'd prefer Greinke. 

[Roaddog]

I'm not sure how much an upgrade Ray would be over Pineda or Perez, his ERA (3.95) is currently out performing his FIP (4.27), though his Ks are sexy; I'd prefer Greinke.

Oh yeah. I would as well. I wonder what Greinke's stats look like vs the Yankees.

[Vanimal46]

I'm not sure how much an upgrade Ray would be over Pineda or Perez, his ERA (3.95) is currently out performing his FIP (4.27), though his Ks are sexy; I'd prefer Greinke.

Concur. Don't see a major upgrade over guys currently in the rotation. The K's are sexy but the walks are a problem. I don't think he lasts beyond the 5th inning in a playoff game.

[crapforks]

Concur. Don't see a major upgrade over guys currently in the rotation. The K's are sexy but the walks are a problem. I don't think he lasts beyond the 5th inning in a playoff game.

I agree with your point, but getting 5 out of a playoff start is great! You don’t have to ration innings as much with the off-days. It would have to be a very special set of circumstances where you would want the starter facing a lineup for the third time in a playoff game.

[Rosterman]

Players teams might like that the Twins could move: Gordon, Raley/Rooker, Stewart, Gonsalves/Romero (all major league ready), Javier, Rortvedt/Jeffers and pretty much anyone in A+ ball or below.

[yarnivek1972]

The other elephant in the room is payroll. The Pohlads are cheap and have never shown a willingness to spend to support a playoff caliber core. Buxton, Berrios, Rosario, Rogers and Sano are going to get really expensive.

 

Our current core is going to get very expensive as they go through arbitration. B-R estimates the arb salaries the next few years alone will be:

 

2020 - 50m

2021 - 70m

2022 - 100m

 

Thor would add a lot to those totals in 2020 and 2021.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/minnesota-twins-salaries-and-contracts.shtml

I suspect either Rosario or Buxton will be traded before the 2021 season.

[Vanimal46]

I agree with your point, but getting 5 out of a playoff start is great! You don’t have to ration innings as much with the off-days. It would have to be a very special set of circumstances where you would want the starter facing a lineup for the third time in a playoff game.

Considering the state of the bullpen I wouldn't trust them to shut it down for 4 playoff innings.

[Twodogs]

Stroman was just picked up by the Mets. Does that mean Syndergaard has a deal in place?? I wonder where? I can't see the Mets trading with the Yanks.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Stroman was just picked up by the Mets. Does that mean Syndergaard has a deal in place?? I wonder where? I can't see the Mets trading with the Yanks.

I don’t get the Mets’ plan at all.

[FLTwinsGuy]

Rosenthal said he hears the Mets want MLB ready players now for Syndergaard. If thats the case it will be tough for the Twins to do...

[yarnivek1972]

I don’t get the Mets’ plan at all.

There’s a reason why a lot of really smart baseball people think their organization is an absolute mess.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I don’t get the Mets’ plan at all.

 

Cornering the starting market to drive up prices?  Dunno.  

 

Don't really get it.. and I'm not sure that would work well. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

It is unusual, but the Mets could use Stroman in 2020, even if they keep Syndergaard. They are kind of irrelevant in 2019, but they are not in a rebuilding position.

[Soft Tosser]

Yeah, why not get Stroman if it's a good deal for them? Maybe give them credit for building for next year.

[Mike Sixel]

My best Offer for Syndegaard would be Byron Buxton, Fernando Romero, Alex Kirloff,Sean Poppen. Your going to have to give them at least one high end MLB player and Top prospect to get a deal.

Way too much. You'd have to get at least one or two more guys back from the Mets for that.

[FlauerPauer]

I imagine that the bar has just been set. Jays get two guys that would probably be in the 10-20 range of Twins prospects according to fangraphs. I think they can get Thor for a reasonable offer. Larnarch, Graterol, Javier, and two A ball players and maybe some international bonus money.

[AZTwin]

Stroman was just picked up by the Mets. Does that mean Syndergaard has a deal in place?? I wonder where? I can't see the Mets trading with the Yanks.

Just saw the deal and yuck. Imagine we could have easily beat that offer.

[AZTwin]

My best Offer for Syndegaard would be Byron Buxton, Fernando Romero, Alex Kirloff,Sean Poppen. Your going to have to give them at least one high end MLB player and Top prospect to get a deal.

Lol no. I wouldn’t give them buxton straight up for Thor

[Mr. Brooks]

Just saw the deal and yuck. Imagine we could have easily beat that offer.

Assuming they wanted 2 pitchers, it would have taken a minimum of Balazovic or Graterol, or both to definitively top that deal.

Not saying I wouldn't do that, but perhaps they have bigger names in mind if they're going to fire those 2 valuable bullets?

[AZTwin]

I imagine that the bar has just been set. Jays get two guys that would probably be in the 10-20 range of Twins prospects according to fangraphs. I think they can get Thor for a reasonable offer. Larnarch, Graterol, Javier, and two A ball players and maybe some international bonus money.

I’d rather give them Kirilloff than Larnach. I think Kiriloff, Graterol, Javier and maybe even a guy like Jax and Alcala should be good for Thor and Lugo/or Diaz

[Mike Sixel]

Assuming they wanted 2 pitchers, it would have taken a minimum of Balazovic or Graterol, or both to definitively top that deal.

Not saying I wouldn't do that, but perhaps they have bigger names in mind if they're going to fire those 2 valuable bullets?

Like who that is available? There just aren't many high end starters out there, I'd guess. And they aren't dealing those two both for RPs.

[AZTwin]

Assuming they wanted 2 pitchers, it would have taken a minimum of Balazovic or Graterol, or both to definitively top that deal.

Not saying I wouldn't do that, but perhaps they have bigger names in mind if they're going to fire those 2 valuable bullets?

I think Duran and Lewis Thorpe would’ve been a better offer than what the Blue Jays got

[wyowib]

 

My best Offer for Syndegaard would be Byron Buxton, Fernando Romero, Alex Kirloff,Sean Poppen. Your going to have to give them at least one high end MLB player and Top prospect to get a deal.

The Mets didn't have to give up anything close to this to get Stroman, who has better numbers in the AL east and only 1 less year of control (IIRC).  I think replacing Buxton for Syndegaard would actually be  a net loss for this current team.  I've become a hard pass on Syndegaard for the deals people have suggested on this site.  If I'm offering a "Sale" type package like Boston did, I want a "Sale" type pitcher (I'd offer the Reds a ton for Castillo for example).  Get another BP arm and ride.  

[Mr. Brooks]

I think Duran and Lewis Thorpe would’ve been a better offer than what the Blue Jays got

Duran and Thorpe both have 50 grades on MLB Pipeline.

 

The Mets gave up a 55 and a 50.

[AZTwin]

I think Duran and Lewis Thorpe would’ve been a better offer than what the Blue Jays got

Heck I would even overpay the Mets and throw in Jax and I’m sure they would do the deal

[AZTwin]

Duran and Thorpe both have 50 grades on MLB Pipeline.

 

The Mets gave up a 55 and a 50.

The 55 is struggling mightily in AAA and will be 25 years old all year next season. Soft tosser that doesn’t particularly project well. Back end guy like Thorpe. The other guy is a long ways away and a lottery ticket. Duran is a little further along which is why I think that package would have been more appealing

[wyowib]

 

Assuming they wanted 2 pitchers, it would have taken a minimum of Balazovic or Graterol, or both to definitively top that deal.
Not saying I wouldn't do that, but perhaps they have bigger names in mind if they're going to fire those 2 valuable bullets?

From what I've seen, Balazovic and Graterol are much more highly regarded prospects than the ones the Mets traded.  Why would they (one or both) have been the "minimum" when the Mets traded less?