Noah Syndergaard

[Mike Sixel]

Even if they don't have a deal yet, I'd probably pull him tonight in case something terrible happens which would make it difficult to deal him tomorrow.

Concur!

[Mr. Brooks]

Dan Hayes, Twins beat writer? I am guessing he shares sources with Lavelle.

 

I don't deny that the Mets inquired about Buxton, but as he was only mentioned by Twins sources well after the presumed discussions took place, the Buxton inquiry was likely after the Mets were rebuffed about Lewis/Kirilloff as originally reported.

 

There has been national talk about a MLB player being a component of a Syndergaard return, but the focus has still been on elite prospects.

I guess I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that these are legitimate reports, and these are the packages the Mets asked for?

 

I'm not saying an agenda isn't possible, but why such an automatic rush to believe that it must be an agenda?

[Twodogs]

Do they think the Mets suddenly have Trout? Cause that’s the only player I’d do that for.

Well maybe they'd give up Degrom, Syndergaard and Wheeler for Buxton, Lewis, and Krilloff?

[Otto von Ballpark]

I guess I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that these are legitimate reports, and these are the packages the Mets asked for?

 

I'm not saying an agenda isn't possible, but why such an automatic rush to believe that it must be an agenda?

Has a team source ever commented about negotiations to a reporter without an agenda? It just means a self interest, really.

 

And that doesn't mean lies. I hope I have been clear in my comments: I believe this report to be true, and that the Mets indeed asked about Buxton. But I think it's pretty obvious that there is a significant amount of context being omitted from this most recent description. Namely, what happened after the originally reported Mets request for both Lewis and Kirilloff 5 days ago.

[drivlikejehu]

It's been widely reported that the Mets are making ridiculous asks for Syndegaard. This isn't some kind of Twins-specific issue and it's not club propaganda. The Mets don't really seem inclined to move him . . . their GM promised ownership he could win without a rebuild and it wouldn't make sense to deal away talented players with team control remaining.

[Mike Sixel]

He's pitching tonight. No way they are close to a trade.

[Otto von Ballpark]

It's been widely reported that the Mets are making ridiculous asks for Syndegaard. This isn't some kind of Twins-specific issue and it's not club propaganda. The Mets don't really seem inclined to move him . . . their GM promised ownership he could win without a rebuild and it wouldn't make sense to deal away talented players with team control remaining.

Nowhere have I said this was a Twins-specific issue, or claimed that the Mets asking price wasn't high. We knew that last week when it was reported that they wanted both Lewis and Kirilloff, and not a word was breathed about Buxton being involved.

 

I just think some of the anti-Mets reactions here have been a bit over-the-top, to a fairly obvious piece of Twins spin in the Buxton name drop. There are plenty of reasons to "LOL Mets" but this probably isn't one of them.

 

The Mets were probably taking a longshot at Gore (Mackenzie, not Terrance ), or Tucker/Whitley, or Lewis/Kirilloff. And no one is biting. No shame in that for the Twins or the Mets.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Nowhere have I said this was a Twins-specific issue, or claimed that the Mets asking price wasn't high. We knew that last week when it was reported that they wanted both Lewis and Kirilloff, and not a word was breathed about Buxton being involved.

I just think some of the anti-Mets reactions here have been a bit over-the-top, to a fairly obvious piece of Twins spin in the Buxton name drop. There are plenty of reasons to "LOL Mets" but this probably isn't one of them.

The Mets were probably taking a longshot at Gore (Mackenzie, not Terrance ), or Tucker/Whitley, or Lewis/Kirilloff. And no one is biting. No shame in that for the Twins or the Mets.

 

This still is not correct. Again, national media reports indicate that the Mets have been asking for high-end Major League talent in exchange for Syndegaard, not just prospects. There is zero reason to doubt that the Mets asked for Buxton.

 

Nor is there any contradiction with the previous report regarding Lewis and Kirilloff. Teams often consider multiple scenarios in trade discussions.

 

Painting the Twins as some kind of bad actor in this case makes zero sense, it is refuted by national reporting and is completely illogical. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

This still is not correct. Again, national media reports indicate that the Mets have been asking for high-end Major League talent in exchange for Syndegaard, not just prospects. There is zero reason to doubt that the Mets asked for Buxton.

 

Nor is there any contradiction with the previous report regarding Lewis and Kirilloff. Teams often consider multiple scenarios in trade discussions.

 

Painting the Twins as some kind of bad actor in this case makes zero sense, it is refuted by national reporting and is completely illogical.

 

Why shouldn’t the Mets ask about Buxton? It’s the early stages of talks. Syndergaard is potentially elite. There’s nothing “incorrect” being put forth here. We’re just having a conversation.

[drivlikejehu]

 

Why shouldn’t the Mets ask about Buxton? It’s the early stages of talks. Syndergaard is potentially elite. There’s nothing “incorrect” being put forth here. We’re just having a conversation.

 

I was responding to a post that described mention of Buxton as "Twins spin," which is almost certainly false. Pointing that out is a fair part of the "conversation."

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I was responding to a post that described mention of Buxton as "Twins spin," which is almost certainly false. Pointing that out is a fair part of the "conversation."

By my reading of it, the circumstances under which the Twins came to the media with it seems pretty consistent with what the other poster is saying. Just my opinion.

 

In any case, the Twins still had a couple days to negotiate, should the Mets demands come down. Apparently the Twins thought it was hopeless—also very possible.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

This still is not correct. Again, national media reports indicate that the Mets have been asking for high-end Major League talent in exchange for Syndegaard, not just prospects. There is zero reason to doubt that the Mets asked for Buxton.

I don't doubt the Mets asked about Buxton. But I'm guessing there was a lot more context to it, context that was omitted/ignored by Lavelle.

 

 

Nor is there any contradiction with the previous report regarding Lewis and Kirilloff. Teams often consider multiple scenarios in trade discussions.

Obviously there are often multiple scenarios in discussions. But you wouldn't know it from reading Lavelle's Monday night article. Omitting that context is almost certainly some form of "Twins spin."

[drivlikejehu]

 

By my reading of it, the circumstances under which the Twins came to the media with it seems pretty consistent with what the other poster is saying. Just my opinion.

In any case, the Twins still had a couple days to negotiate, should the Mets demands come down. Apparently the Twins thought it was hopeless—also very possible.

 

Yet again, the exact same pattern occurred with other franchises and was reported by national media. 

 

Club personnel talk to reporters because media engagement is part of the business. Every team does it. The Twins do not appear to have done anything misleading or improper, but instead shared factual information about their discussions, which, again, is what all clubs do.

 

Attacks against the Twins F.O. on this are a blaring red siren of bias, plain and simple. The fact that this board has a number of anti-Falvine posters is well-known.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Painting the Twins as some kind of bad actor in this case makes zero sense, it is refuted by national reporting and is completely illogical. 

I never said the Twins were a bad actor. Just asking people not to read Lavelle's story and go "LOL Mets" without considering the omitted context.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I was responding to a post that described mention of Buxton as "Twins spin," which is almost certainly false. Pointing that out is a fair part of the "conversation."

Spin does not equal false/lie/etc.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Yet again, the exact same pattern occurred with other franchises and was reported by national media. 

 

Club personnel talk to reporters because media engagement is part of the business. Every team does it. The Twins do not appear to have done anything misleading or improper, but instead shared factual information about their discussions, which, again, is what all clubs do.

 

Attacks against the Twins F.O. on this are a blaring red siren of bias, plain and simple. The fact that this board has a number of anti-Falvine posters is well-known.

I’m not against Falvey and Levine. On the other hand, I don’t think they are anything special, either.

 

But it’s naive to imply LaVelle is a straight reporter of Twins news. He’s an organ of management, period.

[Otto von Ballpark]

The earlier report is kind of a cloud over the second report.

 

1. If the Mets wanted Buxton in addition to both Lewis and Kirilloff, that would be noteworthy. Lavelle didn't say that.

 

2. If the Mets demands had changed in the last few days (heck, if the Mets and Twins had simply talked in the previous 24 hours), that would be noteworthy. Lavelle didn't say that either (in fact, seemed to suggest otherwise).

 

3. If the Mets were rebuffed on Lewis and Kirilloff, and asked about Buxton, that's noteworthy too. Lavelle doesn't say that either.

 

Lavelle says nothing about his earlier report, or how his second report fits in the context of his earlier report. The omitted context is likely his source trying to de-emphasize the earlier report (which would imply point #3 above) and emphasize the Buxton part (which implies point #1 or #2 and makes the Mets look worse). That's the spin. And there's nothing wrong with it (although it would be nice for Lavelle to actually ask these obvious follow-up questions of his source), but people should be aware. That's all I've been trying to say.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Nowhere have I said this was a Twins-specific issue, or claimed that the Mets asking price wasn't high. We knew that last week when it was reported that they wanted both Lewis and Kirilloff, and not a word was breathed about Buxton being involved.

I just think some of the anti-Mets reactions here have been a bit over-the-top, to a fairly obvious piece of Twins spin in the Buxton name drop. There are plenty of reasons to "LOL Mets" but this probably isn't one of them.

The Mets were probably taking a longshot at Gore (Mackenzie, not Terrance ), or Tucker/Whitley, or Lewis/Kirilloff. And no one is biting. No shame in that for the Twins or the Mets.

I think people are overreacting a bit about the Buxton comment for the reasons you listed but let's be honest, it's also worth a laugh. A healthy Buxton, should that ever happen, is potentially an 8 WAR player.  The 2019 Buxton that seems to hurt himself every fourth day (thankfully, not badly) is basically on par with Syndergaard for the season.

 

Oh, and the Twins control Buxton for one more season than the Mets do Syndergaard.

 

Never mind that the Twins need Buxton because they're in the middle of a divisional race. Of course a Buxton request will get laughed out of the room.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Looking like Syndergaard will stay a Met

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/noah-syndergaard-doesnt-expect-trade.html

[Twodogs]

Looking like Syndergaard will stay a Met

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/noah-syndergaard-doesnt-expect-trade.html

I could be wrong, but don't the Mets just lose Wheeler at the end of the season? So they might as well get something for him right? They can't really be in the demanding position that they were in with Syndergaard? Right?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I could be wrong, but don't the Mets just lose Wheeler at the end of the season? So they might as well get something for him right? They can't really be in the demanding position that they were in with Syndergaard? Right?

Correct, Wheeler is a pending FA. Although the Mets could extend him a qualifying offer if they keep him and have a pretty good chance of retaining him, perhaps on a discount, or getting a comp pick in 2020.

[nicksaviking]

On paper, the Mets look like a WS favorite in 2020, especially if they are able to keep Wheeler.

 

But then again, it's basically the same team they have now which is somehow playing below .500 baseball.

[brockbesler]

What if the Mets just made Thor available to take other teams attention away from Stroman, so they could swoop in and get him?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

On paper, the Mets look like a WS favorite in 2020, especially if they are able to keep Wheeler.

 

But then again, it's basically the same team they have now which is somehow playing below .500 baseball.

I don't know about WS favorite. Even on paper, the Mets may be no better than 3rd in that division (which is where Fangraphs had them preseason 2019 too).

[Twodogs]

The Mets are obviously a flawed team, so they will need to do a lot of work this off season to become a real contender. But if they do that then at least they have the rotation?