Nick Nelson Site Manager Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 The Minnesota Twins just announced their first deadline day move. They are sending lefty reliever Fernando Abad to the Boston Red Sox in exchange for right-hander Pat Light. Light, 25, was drafted by the Red Sox 37th overall in 2012. He's a relief prospect that can touch triple digits with his heater.The Twins have some familiarity with the new arrival. Three years before Boston drafted him out of Monmouth University in the first round, Minnesota selected him in the 28th round of his New Jersey high school, though he didn't sign. Light struggled during his first few pro seasons as a starter, but since converting to a relief role last year he has turned himself back into an intriguing prospect with premium velocity. In the last two seasons between Double-A and Triple-A, he has amassed 103 strikeouts in 93 2/3 innings (9.9 K/9) though all the whiffs have come along with a whopping 54 walks (5.2 BB/9) Like many other young bullpen arms the Twins have targeted over the past few years, Light is a hard-throwing specimen with control problems and plentiful upside if he can iron them out. He's a nice return for Abad, who signed a minor-league deal during the offseason and went on to post a 2.65 ERA in 39 appearances for Minnesota. Abad's vacated roster spot goes to Jose Berrios, who will start tonight for the Twins in Cleveland. What are your thoughts on the deal? Click here to view the article HitInAPinch and glunn 2
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Works for me... Light has upside yet. Team him with Pressly, May, Tonkin and Rogers, along with JT Chargois (and eventually guys like Melotakis, Reed, Burdi, Hildenberger, etc.) Abad had a nice couple of months and is a solid MLB pitcher. He was clearly the right choice over Tony Sipp and Antonio Bastardo. But dealing him now for a guy with upside is a great deal... Note - Rob Antony, 2-for-2. gunnarthor, Mike Sixel, James and 5 others 8
LaBombo Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Note - Rob Antony, 2-for-2.Yup. The more solid hand he can pass on to the new GM, the better. Jerr and jokin 2
twinssouth Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 I like the trade. Rogers can take over Abad's role and this kid has some serious gas. Reider 1
LaBombo Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 It would be interesting to know if Light just can't find the strike zone in general at times, or if it's his breaking stuff that's the primary culprit. If he's been dominating with his fastball, a good developmental system would urge him to work on his other pitches more and that might contribute to the high walk rate.
troyhobbs Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Good ROI on both trades so far. If he can deal Santana and Kintzler I'm not sure what else I'll have to bitch about the rest of the season. Jk, I'll find some things.... ThejacKmp 1
strumdatjaguar Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Depending on what we in return, I have no problem parting with Kurt Suzuki who could be very valuable to a contender down the stretch, so the Twins could get value in return. However, Kintzler is 32 years old and has been successful this year. I don't think the Twins would get much for him. Keep him around for next year.
gil4 Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 If he can deal Santana and Kintzler I'm not sure what else I'll have to bitch about the rest of the season. Jk, I'll find some things.... "I can't complain but sometimes I still do" Joe Walsh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngkQVOt8GEM ThejacKmp and troyhobbs 2
Teflon Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Well, on one hand it's Abad deal but on the other, not a bad deal. Monkeypaws, Dantes929, Platoon and 6 others 9
70charger Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Well, on one hand it's Abad deal but on the other, not a bad deal. Get out. SwainZag, gunnarthor and Blake 3
magiklair Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 I'm all right with this deal. However, disappointed more veterans haven't been dealt.. Richie the Rally Goat 1
Kwak Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Darn, we won't get a repeat of my favorite post (so far) this year: "That was Abad pitch."
zenser Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Not a bad return on a Terry Ryan dumpster dive. ThejacKmp 1
ThejacKmp Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 I'm all right with this deal. However, disappointed more veterans haven't been dealt.. We have to remember there is always still August for guys like Plouffe, Kintzler, Santana etc. I love that MLB has a trade deadline that is kind of a deadline but not really. troyhobbs 1
birddog Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 We'll know in couple years if it was a good trade or not, but I like getting a former #1 who can reach triple digits. BBs are an issue but I like the fact we are getting more pitchers who should miss some bats and has three pitches. Guessing more deals will be made after the deadline for the Twins as our trade bait is under most team's radar and should make it through waivers. Holding my breath that Nolasco goes somewhere.
magiklair Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 We have to remember there is always still August for guys like Plouffe, Kintzler, Santana etc. I love that MLB has a trade deadline that is kind of a deadline but not really. Yes that's true.. But most teams are looking to upgrade their rosters now rather than August.
Eephus Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Works for me... Light has upside yet. Team him with Pressly, May, Tonkin and Rogers, along with JT Chargois (and eventually guys like Melotakis, Reed, Burdi, Hildenberger, etc.) I's like to think there's an above average bullpen somewhere some day among all those prospects. Vanimal46 1
Fritzderkat Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Speaking of trades, can't complain on the reasoning behind Nunez for Mejia, but I for one will miss seeing Nunez around. He's come into his own this year, a career season so far, and how long he can keep it up or how it may change with the Giants and the National League, who knows? But this year, playing half a season with a bunch of flagging prospects and stiffs, he's been a breath of fresh and its been fun to watch him play, I like his style and attitude. I wrote him a letter over the weekend to tell him so. That's only the third time I've ever written a letter to a professional baseball player. The first was to Mickey Mantle, who replied with an autograph and poster, and the second was to Frank Viola, who said nothing after I ragged his ass for having a bad year with the Red Sox and ruining the pitching stafs on my fantasy baseball team.
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 This is a fine return for Abad. Now we just need a FO who can come in and develop these guys.
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 I heartily endorse this approach. Whether Light becomes a factor or not, this is a good trade.
Monkeypaws Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) When I first read this I misread 37th overall for 37th round. Much more excited about it now. Here's an article from a site called MassLive about Light: http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2016/06/pat_light_boston_red_sox_prosp.html Most Sox prospect rankings I looked at had him in the 14-16 range. Edited August 1, 2016 by Monkeypaws
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Note - Rob Antony, 2-for-2. That's not really a useful way of looking at it. First of all, by your definition, he almost can't go 0-for-1 on a player until the trade deadline actually passes (and even then, we'll probably hear how it wasn't really his fault that he couldn't move such-and-such player). And it's not really a hit/no-hit situation -- there are tons of outcomes between going "0-for-1" and "1-for-1" on a trade. I'd say getting an interesting 40-man depth piece for an obvious trade candidate is something like a "league average" performance in terms of trades -- not bad, but short of the perfection implied by "2-for-2". Vanimal46 1
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 That's not really a useful way of looking at it. First of all, by your definition, he almost can't go 0-for-1 on a player until the trade deadline actually passes (and even then, we'll probably hear how it wasn't really his fault that he couldn't move such-and-such player). And it's not really a hit/no-hit situation -- there are tons of outcomes between going "0-for-1" and "1-for-1" on a trade. I'd say getting an interesting 40-man depth piece for an obvious trade candidate is something like a "league average" performance in terms of trades -- not bad, but short of the perfection implied by "2-for-2". Pretty much no matter what he does, you criticize it. He got a good prospect for a RP that is a FA after this year (I think).......isn't that a good trade? I don't understand the line of thinking here at all. I agree with Seth, 2-2. TheLeviathan and SwainZag 2
insane16 Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 ".isn't that a good trade?"This is my final chance to say this....The return wassa not abad!
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 In 5 years we can judge the outcome, I would suggest Seth's 2-2 line was more about the idea of the trade. We took a roster invite guy and turned him into a former 37th pick by selling high. I don't care so much about the long term results at this point, I strongly agree with that philosophy of asset management/acquisition. Mike Sixel 1
ALessKosherScott Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Pitching prospects are a numbers game more than anything. I have a good feeling one of Light, Burdi and Meyer will work out. I'm not sure which one though.
insane16 Provisional Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 This is a fine return for Abad.This is my final chance to say this....The return wassa not abad! Vanimal46 1
HitInAPinch Verified Member Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Pretty much no matter what he does, you criticize it. He got a good prospect for a RP that is a FA after this year (I think).......isn't that a good trade? I don't understand the line of thinking here at all. I agree with Seth, 2-2.Agree! To get 2 high ranking prospects like Light [ for a soft-tossing lefty ] and Adalberto Mejia [ for a utility player ] is a win.
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