Logan Schafer is up, DanSan to the DL

[bluechipper]

Schafer is replacing Danny Santana, with Santana going on the DL. Schafer is hitting .264/.340/.361 (.701) for Rochester as a 29 year old.

 

This is simply baffling.

[notoriousgod71]

 

Schafer is replacing Danny Santana, with Santana going on the DL. Schafer is hitting .264/.340/.361 (.701) for Rochester as a 29 year old.

 

This is simply baffling.

 

Why would anyone expect anything to change with this organization?

 

Rob Antony may be GM, but Terry Ryan is still calling the shots if for no other reason than he ingrained his mindset into the pupil.

[Platoon]

I was pretty sure it would not be Buxton. I don't agree, but that's the way we roll. The oft mentioned 40 man will of course be the reason. Btw, I had to look who Shaefer was. He flew under my radar. Any chance they called up anyone to replace Robbie?

[bluechipper]

Why not give Adam Walker or Daniel Palka a shot? 

[KirbyHawk75]

Who else we going to call up? Walker is just another softball type player who is going to strike out 2-3 times a game.   Buxton does not deserve a call-up.  Palka is not on the 40 man and the Twins are not going to want to put him on the 40 man at this time.  Vargas cannot come up because we need another outfielder.  We are stuck with Logan Schafer.  I am hoping Logan Schafer can at least play some defense.  

The Twins were desperate to have a mediocre minor league outfielder named  Schafer, but sadly Jordan is a pitcher now for the Dodgers system.  However they were lucky they found Logan.  

 

This is from Aaron Gleeman's twitter account:  

Twins's active 25 roster includes:

Pat Dean

Ryan O'Rourke

Juan Centeno

Andrew Albers

Pat Light

Alex Wimmers  

 

And now we also get Logan Schafer!

[bluechipper]

 

I was pretty sure it would not be Buxton. I don't agree, but that's the way we roll. The oft mentioned 40 man will of course be the reason. Btw, I had to look who Shaefer was. He flew under my radar. Any chance they called up anyone to replace Robbie?

Robbie Grossman should be considered a DH at this point. His routes are obviously awful, and his arm is not much better.

[bluechipper]

 

Who else we going to call up? Walker is just another softball type player who is going to strike out 2-3 times a game.   

Why is he still on the 40 man then? I'm not a big Walker supporter, but I'd much rather see him get an opportunity than watch a guy who has proven to not be an MLB player.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

As if Grossman and Santana have been tearing up the league and were irreplaceable. I also wonder about the intangible effect of promoting guys to the big leagues right out of the unemployment line: David Murphy (chose to retire), Mastroianni (sort of), Grossman, Logan Schafer.

 

Not much is expected long term of Walker or Palka. I agree -- promote one of those two guys for bleep's sake!

[Platoon]

I would agree about ABW. The determining factor, is what the hell is the difference? Is his defense going to cost us a game? Is he going to strike out? Maybe he'll go for for two in the top of the ninth down 4 and almost get thrown out? If you aren't going to look at him now, why is he on the 40? I have no idea if ABW is a MLB player. That's not my point. But for bleeping sake, yet another salvag project who is almost 30?

[jorgenswest]

Didn't they need to bring up a guy that can back up CF?

[bluechipper]

Zach Granite is going to be added to the 40 man this offseason too. It would have been great to see him get rewarded for his excellent season by getting a month in the majors.

 

Arguing for this is maybe more of a reach.... but really? Logan Schafer?

[bluechipper]

 

Didn't they need to bring up a guy that can back up CF?

Max Kepler.

[Platoon]

Didn't they need to bring up a guy that can back up CF?

A. Kepler could

B. Again, what difference does it make. In case of a Rosario injury, Someone can fly in the next day.

I don't know ABW, he isn't my wife's nephew or anything. It's just a shame that he has toiled, and put up those numbers, good and bad, and doesn't get a shot. If you don't want him, trade him, or release him. Maybe someone else will give him a try. I seriously think actions like this impact how other MiLB players feel about their chances. Unless you aren't human, it has to!

[Thrylos]

Hey, Delmon is a free agent last time I checked

[Mr. Brooks]

This is just the Twins being the Twins.

Jack Goin, if you are reading this, you asked for specific examples of organizational moves that we want overhauled, here is a shining example.

[jorgenswest]

If Rosario gets injured they don't need to give their pitchers an OF with really poor fenders on the corners and Kepler in CF For the first time this year. Even last year he didn't have many games there.

 

Keep Buxton down and bring up a guy to sit on the bench unless needed in CF or as a defensive replacement. Let the other guys help Rochester for another week. Seems sensible.

[PseudoSABR]

I think a lot of the recent moves have to do with putting young players in a position to help Rochester compete for the playoffs.  I'm not sure how much sense that makes, but throwing the young guys out there wasn't working either. 

[Mr. Brooks]

If Rosario gets injured they don't need to give their pitchers an OF with really poor fenders on the corners and Kepler in CF For the first time this year. Even last year he didn't have many games there.

 

Keep Buxton down and bring up a guy to sit on the bench unless needed in CF or as a defensive replacement. Let the other guys help Rochester for another week. Seems sensible.

Help is only a phone call away if Rosario got hurt.

He is young enough to play every game from here on out, and Kepler can play a few innings in cf to finish a game in an emergency, if needed. As could Eddie Escobar.

[Mr. Brooks]

I think a lot of the recent moves have to do with putting young players in a position to help Rochester compete for the playoffs. I'm not sure how much sense that makes, but throwing the young guys out there wasn't working either.

Caring about the win loss records of the affiliates over the development of future MLB players is part of how they became the worst organization in baseball in the first place.

 

How it will affect Rochester's win loss record should not even be a consideration when making a move.

Not only that, but Rochester is too far out to have a realistic shot at a wild card spot.

[big dog]

So it's like we aren't trying to win now, and we aren't trying to look at the young guys who might help in the future (no offense, Logan- hey wait, that's a double entendre!).  What exactly are we trying to do? 

 

Thanks to everyone who writes the minor league threads.  I appreciate those a lot, especially this year.

[jorgenswest]

I am assuming the player they call up will sit in the bench. Let the other guys play out the season in Rochester.

 

There us much to be concerned about the Twins performance and decision making. I don't see how calling up Schafer instead of Walker can possibly matter in the slightest.

[PseudoSABR]

 

I know Jack Goin had nothing to do with this move.
In a different thread, he was defending the status quo and asked for specific examples of why this front office needed to be replaced.
That is what I was referencing.

No, Goin was asking for specific examples of what they should be doing that they were not doing; he was not asking for more examples of mistakes (of which there are many).  

 

I think it's pretty obvious that the fanbase wouldn't be thrilled with promoting Schafer over the youngsters; I doubt anyone in the front-office would have a "now I get it" moment by point this out as a mistake (and really, it's debatable if it is one).  

[big dog]

 

I am assuming the player they call up will sit in the bench. Let the other guys play out the season in Rochester.

There us much to be concerned about the Twins performance and decision making. I don't see how calling up Schafer instead of Walker can possibly matter in the slightest.

Because the player they call up doesn't have to sit on the bench- he might be a player that could actually valuable next year, and they might actually give the player some useful experience.  What else is there to play for this year?  98 losses, 99 losses, 100 losses, who cares- let's at least learn something about all these guys who seem to have potential.

 

Who would you rather see play in these ultra-meaningless games?  Danny Santana, Trevor Plouffe, or anyone else?

[Mr. Brooks]

I am assuming the player they call up will sit in the bench. Let the other guys play out the season in Rochester.

 

There us much to be concerned about the Twins performance and decision making. I don't see how calling up Schafer instead of Walker can possibly matter in the slightest.

1) Do you know who our manager is? Schaefer will play 30% of the time, or more.

 

2) Because 1 guy (Walker) at least has a chance to be part of the next winning team. The other guy has none.

 

 

The last few weeks of a 95 plus loss season should be used to evaluate possible future pieces, not guys like Schaefer, Dean, Albers, O'Rourke, etc.

[Mr. Brooks]

No, Goin was asking for specific examples of what they should be doing that they were not doing; he was not asking for more examples of mistakes (of which there are many).

 

I think it's pretty obvious that the fanbase wouldn't be thrilled with promoting Schafer over the youngsters; I doubt anyone in the front-office would have a "now I get it" moment by point this out as a mistake (and really, it's debatable if it is one).

Yes, and the example I'm giving of what they should be doing is that they should be using the last 5 or 6 weeks of a lost season to evaluate potential future pieces.

[jorgenswest]

I am not convinced.

 

I don't think it matters to the development of the players or any long term value to the Twins. It takes at least a few hundred plate appearances and even then it wouldn't add much to the evaluation they would have formed this year.

 

What did a month of Pinto or Parmelee add to their evaluations when they came up? Nothing of value. If anything the small sample led to an over evaluation of their talents.

[Mr. Brooks]

I am not convinced.

 

I don't think it matters to the development of the players or any long term value to the Twins. It takes at least a few hundred plate appearances and even then it wouldn't add much to the evaluation they would have formed this year.

 

What did a month of Pinto or Parmelee add to their evaluations when they came up? Nothing of value. If anything the small sample led to an over evaluation of their talents.

And how do you get a large sample if you don't start with a small sample?

 

Any at bats given to guys like Logan Schaefer in late August of a 95+ loss season are a complete waste.

[PseudoSABR]

 

1) Do you know who our manager is? Schaefer will play 30% of the time, or more.

2) Because 1 guy (Walker) at least has a chance to be part of the next winning team. The other guy has none.


The last few weeks of a 95 plus loss season should be used to evaluate possible future pieces, not guys like Schaefer, Dean, Albers, O'Rourke, etc.

1) That's not a fact; that's speculation.  

2) Maybe, but Walker can be added in three days or after the season at Rochester.  It's pretty common for teams to wait until affiliate's seasons to end before promoting them.  

 

Did the evaluation of Berrios and Buxton mean that they aren't part of the future, no?  Will the loss of a few major league at bats for Walker determine whether he is part of the future, no?   

 

I don't think it's any sure bet Walker gets called up after the Rochester season ends.  Walker, like Palka, strikes out a ton at AAA; there may be good reason for not exposing him at this time.  If the recent lack of success of highly regarded prospects demonstrates anything it's that you don't simply throw guys out there to see what you have. 

 

Throwing spit against the wall and seeing if it sticks is not a viable strategy; let's hope the next regime is more thoughtful than many are asking the Twins to be here. 

[Rosterman]

Wow! What a way to fill up the 40-man roster.

 

What it means to the Twins: Players will be lining up to sign as minor league free agents (unless the regime really changes).

 

This is beyond me at this point.

[Mr. Brooks]

1) That's not a fact; that's speculation.

2) Maybe, but Walker can be added in three days or after the season at Rochester. It's pretty common for teams to wait until affiliate's seasons to end before promoting them.

 

Did the evaluation of Berrios and Buxton mean that they aren't part of the future, no? Will the loss of a few major league at bats for Walker determine whether he is part of the future, no?

 

I don't think it's any sure bet Walker gets called up after the Rochester season ends. Walker, like Palka, strikes out a ton at AAA; there may be good reason for not exposing him at this time. If the recent lack of success of highly regarded prospects demonstrates anything it's that you don't simply throw guys out there to see what you have.

 

Throwing spit against the wall and seeing if it sticks is not a viable strategy; let's hope the next regime is more thoughtful than many are asking the Twins to be here.

Walker is soon to be 25 years old and has over 1000 PA's in the high minors.

He's not going to be harmed by getting called up to the MLB right now.