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    Lou Hennessy

    Despite sitting atop the AL Central division, the Twins currently find themselves stuck in a hole when it comes to getting consistent availability and production out of their 26-man roster. Even though the MLB trade deadline is still roughly seven weeks away, should they consider dipping their toes into the trade market earlier than normal?

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    The Minnesota Twins fan base went into this season with palpable angst, and a mediocre record that continues to graze a .500 winning percentage hasn’t helped. What usually happens next in this scenario is a call from impassioned followers to make some trades, shake up the roster, and ignite a spark by any means necessary. 

    And while the deadline is still nearly two months away, whispers of an early market have already been heard around the league. Whether any deals happen in the near-future is still to be determined. But the idea of making a move or two in June could be beneficial to a team like the Twins, who are currently in pole position in their division race, but need considerable help getting their vehicle up to speed. However, there are certainly drawbacks to trying to make an early deal. With merits and concerns on both sides of this coin, the Twins will have to figure out what they are going to prioritize relatively soon. 

    Pros of an early trade
    While the team has boasted a few notable strengths so far in the 2023 season (a stellar starting rotation, some impressive stretches from key youngsters in the lineup, a fire breathing dragon at the back end of the bullpen, to name a few), there is no doubt that they could use a pick-me-up in a few different areas. The team’s depth has been tested multiple times this year, most of the bullpen has been inconsistent and the sluggers that were supposed to star on this squad are marred by injury, ineffectiveness or both. 

    If a team can identify their needs for the rest of the year, an early entrance into trade conversations could be prudential. They can theoretically alleviate their woes with an effective addition, remap their depth chart with their acquisitions and hopefully get more balance on their roster.

    Not only could they improve the club in the short-term, but acquiring a key contributor in June would give them an additional month of production from this hypothetical player. For example, it’s pretty clear that if the Twins remain on the path that they’re currently on, a high-leverage bullpen addition will be necessary. If they were to swing a trade for a relief arm right now, that’s probably around 10-12 additional appearances that they’d be getting instead of waiting for the August 1st deadline to approach. 

    Obviously, a high-impact deal in June is unlikely, and has become more-rare around the league with each passing year. But there are a few notable swaps that worked wonders for the teams involved, sometimes even more than the clubs anticipated. The Los Angeles Dodgers acquired infielder Chris Taylor in June of 2016, and he went on to be a stalwart in their lineup for years to come. The eventual World Series champion Boston Red Sox traded for Steve Pearce in June of 2018, and he instantly became a catalyst for the club, eventually being named the World Series MVP that year. Jeff Samardzija was traded to the Oakland Athletics just after the calendar flipped to July in 2014, and went on to lead his new club to a postseason appearance. 

    Each of these players were able to give their new teams additional contributions thanks to their early acquisition. And while that’s beneficial, it can come with a price. 

     

    Cons of an early trade
    There’s a reason why these early trades have become so rare. It’s not that buying teams are unwilling to pull the trigger, but rather, the market is still in its infancy and the selling teams use the time left on the clock as leverage. If they get to the day of the trade deadline, sellers will surely be sifting through offers to determine the best return. But in June, what’s to stop a selling team from sitting on any offer and waiting for a better proposal down the road? 

    Say the Twins are in the market for a starting-caliber, right-handed hitting veteran infielder. They could go to a team like the Red Sox and offer a mid-level pitching prospect (let’s go with Matt Canterino) for Justin Turner. Boston could sit on that offer and tell the next team that they’ll need to beat the Twins’ proposal if they want a shot at landing the veteran slugger. They have the luxury of waiting for the market to heat up to their liking. Sure, there’s a risk for these sellers in that they could sit on their hands too long, and their tradable asset either declines or gets injured. But in the end, sellers have the upper hand in June.

    That leads to the next con when looking at early trades: increased cost. If the Twins or any other buying team really wants to nail down a trade with so much time before the deadline, they’ll need to offer a package that is too good for the other side to pass on. That could mean a headlining prospect, multiple valuable assets, or taking on more salary in return. Just this week, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported that the Kansas City Royals are open for business when it comes to bullpen weapon Aroldis Chapman, but they want a steeper prospect package and/or additional salary relief to make a move this far in advance of the trade deadline. While that could be worth it for a team like the Twins, it’s understandable why teams might be hesitant.

    The needs of the team are also in flux for teams like the Twins. They could have a totally different shopping list by the time the trade market usually heats up in mid-July, so they might be apprehensive about meeting a higher price for an asset right now. Maybe some of their veteran cornerstone players start performing to their expectations, or maybe some of their upper-level prospects take hold of a roster spot in the coming weeks. There’s a lot of moving pieces, and adding another movable piece might not be what’s ultimately best for the club in the long-haul

    What do you think? Are there other pros or cons to making a trade this early in the season? What do you think are the Twins’ biggest needs right now? Let us know your thoughts in the comment section below. 

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    I don't want it.  I want to see the younger batters take the field and drop the veterans who can't crack 200.  We dropped the ball with Spencer Steer who now has a +`127 OPS.  We have Wallner and Julien who are ready for the majors - especially for a team that can't score runs - don't trade them.  We have a good pitching staff and it just needs a supplement - Winder? 

    I didn't even like the big Correa contract with Lewis and Lee coming on.  If we trade it needs to be a Polanco/Kepler/Gallo player or two, no more prospects at this time.  

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    48 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

    I don't want it.  I want to see the younger batters take the field and drop the veterans who can't crack 200.  We dropped the ball with Spencer Steer who now has a +`127 OPS.  We have Wallner and Julien who are ready for the majors - especially for a team that can't score runs - don't trade them.  We have a good pitching staff and it just needs a supplement - Winder? 

    I didn't even like the big Correa contract with Lewis and Lee coming on.  If we trade it needs to be a Polanco/Kepler/Gallo player or two, no more prospects at this time.  

    I almost agree 100% but not quite.  I would think that the only teams that would trade for a Polanco/Kepler/Gallo player is a contending team needing to patch a hole.  And the only thing they would trade is prospects.  Now, if the Twins are sellers at the deadline, I would hope they can trade all three (and others).

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    55 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

    I don't want it.  I want to see the younger batters take the field and drop the veterans who can't crack 200.  We dropped the ball with Spencer Steer who now has a +`127 OPS.  We have Wallner and Julien who are ready for the majors - especially for a team that can't score runs - don't trade them.  We have a good pitching staff and it just needs a supplement - Winder? 

    I didn't even like the big Correa contract with Lewis and Lee coming on.  If we trade it needs to be a Polanco/Kepler/Gallo player or two, no more prospects at this time.  

    Agree one hundred percent, Mike. I'd call it an early trade-away ..

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     trades are not necessary ...

    The FO has made several trades in the past few years , the ones that have been the worst have been from the trade deadline acquisitions under duress  and romo probably gave us the most value ...

    The better ones that have given us value have been during the off season under no pressure  ...

    So learning from their mistakes  they should realize that they are not the smartest people in the room  at deadline acquisitions  and remain pat and find help within the organization  ...

    Let's see the prospects  play ...

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    I would say we have too many underperforming veterans blocking high upside or at least equal production youngsters. 

    I would suggest trading the dead weight for prospects and letting some of the younger hitters who are blocked be equal to or better upside than the current dead weight veterans. 

    Max Kepler I would trade for a AA prospect with upside to give Trevor Larnach more at bats. We can always float Alex Kiriloff to the outfield and place Salono at 1st if Larnach has less production than Kepler and free up a roster spot for someone to upgrade elsewhere.

    Even trading someone who is decent from a productivity perspective but blocking solid replacements should be considered such as trading a Jorge Polonco to make way for an Eduardo Julien which then frees up space at AAA for Brooks Lee who could be a late season call up and help the club. 

    I propose we reload rather than rebuild and if we can get prospect capital in return and it allows equal replacements from our high ceiling prospects it is a win/win.

    Also I would be all for replacing our hitting coaches. Too much swinging for the fences is occurring and the fundamentals are absolutely horrific with this team. We swing at pitches well outside of the strike zone.  It’s clear whatever our coaches are teaching it is not working. Partially this has to do with certain hitters we signed, but more than capable hitters are regressing as well and it is clear the team is too much in an all or nothing approach with the intent to hit home runs rather than have good at bats. With the bases loaded a pitcher is forced to pitch in the strike zone giving our hitters better offerings to do damage. We are trying to homer with the bases empty and swinging at bad pitches.  That is a coaching problem. 

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    All depends on the player, of course you will have to overpay this early but if you are trying to win that comes with a cost.

    Somebody like Grichuk shouldn't cost much. But in all reality what position would the Twins be looking? They are so medicore everywhere, but also have prospects or "young" players everywhere and they seem to be mediocre as well.

    The bullpen seems like a good spot but they have prospects taking up 40 man spots there as well. It seems like they would need to trade from there to get anybody else. Alcala, Balazovic, Canterino, Headrick, Henrquez, Sands, Winder, SWR.

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    I would absolutely look into dfa'ing Kepler post haste (it's beyond time) but I do think getting Miranda going will be about as good a positive as this lineup can hope for. He has started to pick it up a bit in AAA, and going into the season I truly thought he was set to be our best hitter. I still think that could be the case. I know he had shoulder issues in spring training (he didn't play 3rd base until basically opening day) so I have to think that played a part, right?

    After that, I do think a trade is in order that will help the roster. I'd try and go after someone who is having a solid year and who is striking out less than the league average. Probably someone from an organization who isn't going all in this year. 

    The first name I came up with when looking at K% leaders in 2023 was Lamonte Wade Jr. Now, don't laugh, as he was good in 2021, terrible in 2022, and is having a career year sort of start to 2023. I know he has 2 more years of team control after this year, but I also don't know that he would break the bank in terms of prospect capital. I'd look at trading more than a few guys for him, as getting someone who walks as much as he does, and strikes out as little as he does, would be such a boon to this offense.

    There are other things they can do at that point. Let Larnach and Wallner get a chance (by trading away Kepler) and getting Miranda going at AAA (does he replace Solano at that point?) But it's possible that Austin Martin could even be up this year, and for everything he is, he doesn't strike out and he makes contact with some speed. All things the roster could use an infusion of. That might be optimistic in terms of Martin, but I am curious where they will send him after his current rehab assignment is up. Does he go to Wichita or St. Paul initially? Does he need tommy john? We'll see.

    Oh, and did I mention get Correa and Buxton healthy and going? That would help too :)

    As far as trading for a reliever, I do think the next month and a half will show us where the need is there. I have faith in about 5 or 6 of the bullpen arms already, but some could turn it around in the next month where the type of pitcher they will need to acquire will be more apparent. But yeah, I don't want Aroldis Chapman. 

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    5 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

    Let's see the prospects  play ...

    Isn't that what they have done this year? Miranda, Larnach, AK, Lewis, Julien and Wallner a little bit, I get the swap Wallner in for Kepler but where are other prospects going to play? Trade Correa (Impossible)? Trade Polanco (not likely)?

    There are no other offensive prospects on the 40 man and in reality the only other one worth mentioning is Lee.

    Correa being terrible and this misguided idea of having Buxton as the everyday DH has truly limited this team and that is on the FO.

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    Small tweaks is all they should do.   The Twins can’t do anything with Correa and Buxton -  they made a substantial investment and should see it through.   I expect that Correa will improve and Buxton will return from his most recent freak injury soon and be productive.  Otherwise, the Twins should improve this offense through small tweaks: committing to Jeffers as the #1 catcher with Vasquez moving to #2, bringing up Matt Wallner to DH and playing corner outfield, slowly transitioning Buxton to play Center Field  (more and more and  then exclusively in the playoffs), dumping Max Kepler (unless there is miraculous improvement, by the way it’s not happening) … Maybe there is a trade out there to improve the bullpen - but at some point Maeda and Thielbar will be added to the pen - so simple patience will help improve the pen.   

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    Can they trade for a new hitting coach?  The rate of strikeouts and just generally unprofessional at bats is astounding.  There are only a few hitters on this roster who take what I would call a professional at bat.  Polo, Kirilloff and Lewis are pretty consistent.  The rest are mostly pure garbage.

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    There are certain guys I'd be willing to move on from NOW.  Kepler and Larnach come to mind.  If I was trading Larnach straight up for Esty Perez from the A's I'd do it to get a speedy, young CF'er at the top of my order who would create some havoc on the base paths.  I'd trade Kepler for a bag of baseballs and bring Wallner up.  This removes two OF'ers who i consider dead weight while adding two others who are younger.  Perez gives us speed.  Wallner gives us power.  Those are moves that could help right away without moving a Spencer Steer type of player.  

    The additional BP arm needs to wait until closer to the deadline.  Nobody is trading that kind of asset until they can maximize their leverage.  Who knows, maybe Jorge Lopez will get his "stuff' together and if Stewart keeps doing what he's been doing and Theilbar does what he's capable of, the BP becomes a strength again.  

    The biggest thing holding this team back are the "stars."  Correa is absolutely lost at the plate and Buxton, despite all the tender loving care is back on the IL.  Polanco has been underwhelming to this point.  The hope on offense now rests on Kirilloff and Lewis.  Unless Correa, Buxton and Polanco REALLY pick things up the Twins are going to continue to struggle offensively.  

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    7 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    Isn't that what they have done this year? Miranda, Larnach, AK, Lewis, Julien and Wallner a little bit, I get the swap Wallner in for Kepler but where are other prospects going to play? Trade Correa (Impossible)? Trade Polanco (not likely)?

    There are no other offensive prospects on the 40 man and in reality the only other one worth mentioning is Lee.

    Correa being terrible and this misguided idea of having Buxton as the everyday DH has truly limited this team and that is on the FO.

    So true  , I should have phrased it younger and whatever is left of the prospects in AAA or AA ...

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    I agree about the hitting coaches.  Something is not clicking when your team is leading MLB in strikeouts.  We seem to have zero situational hitting ability.  That's an awareness that coaching should stress.  I kind of like the idea of approaching the Rockies for a guy like Grichuk.  Not sure if the deal could be bigger, but wondering what the Rockies would think of Larnach? 

    Grichuk would be a better RH hitting corner OF option that Garlick.  Having a Grichuk/Wallner platoon would be an improvement.  It's time to move on from Max Kepler.  Maybe Kepler for Grichuk even up.  

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    17 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

    The Twins should be active sellers at the deadline this year. If they luck into a division title with 82 wins so be it. They are once again light years behind the top teams in the league. 

    I don't think this can be overstated, or said loudly enough. Spot on.

    Twins should make plenty of trades this summer, but not as buyers. Addition by subtraction will do.

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    I've always been a veteran player first guy but not much anymore.  Correa and Buxton are a joke.  Buxton has been for about 8 years now due to so much time being injured.  Correa hasn't done much in two years now.  Remember his numbers were boosted by a very good last month of the season.  Those stats can just as easily be attributed to facing minor league pitchers late in the season.  And a salary drive.  Most of the time he has been mediocre at best.  Gallo is Gallow a below 200 lifetime hitter that strikes out nearly at 40%.  Kepler is was he is:  a wasted up Twin.  I'm starting to side with playing the young players full time and see what they can do.  At keast they may show a little life.  

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    Yes if we could trade Kepler and Pagan for some random reliever.  This would allow one of our younger corner outfielders more playing time, and I feel pretty safe that any random reliever would be better than Pagan.

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    Only if a drunk at happy hour makes the trades and not the brain trust we have now.

    Cruz trade was fantastic. Araez for Lopez pretty good-fair to both sides.. But almost every other one has been horrible.  I'm sure I'm missing one here so don't jump down my throat. But the brain trust have generally screwed up for the most part.

    Mahle and Paddock were horribly wrong. Both pitchers damaged goods and we knew it.

    Kid from Pirates has gone south extremely fast.

    Maeda ok. One good year but then the rails came off. Brusder would look awful good in our pen.  So would Taylor yet.

     

    It's tough. 

    NOT trading Kepler last winter has also hurt so non trades are a problem too.  Be lucky to get a A ball lottery ticket now , but I'd still trade him to open doors for Wallner.

     

     

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    On a different note how has the batting coach kept his job??

    How many games can the Twins get 12-15 strikeouts and only 2/3 walks??

    How many horrible non professional at bats per game can we be forced to watch??  They have 10-12 ab's per game that are horribly unprofessional.  Polonco and Jeffers/AK  and Farmer seem to do ok.   But way to many horrible at bats per game..

    Either the hitting coach needs to fired , or if he's just a extension of the brain trusts thoughts then they should be gone.

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    12 minutes ago, HoskenPowell said:

    Only if a drunk at happy hour makes the trades and not the brain trust we have now.

    Cruz trade was fantastic. Araez for Lopez pretty good-fair to both sides.. But almost every other one has been horrible.  I'm sure I'm missing one here so don't jump down my throat. But the brain trust have generally screwed up for the most part.

    Mahle and Paddock were horribly wrong. Both pitchers damaged goods and we knew it.

    Kid from Pirates has gone south extremely fast.

    Maeda ok. One good year but then the rails came off. Brusder would look awful good in our pen.  So would Taylor yet.

     

    It's tough. 

    NOT trading Kepler last winter has also hurt so non trades are a problem too.  Be lucky to get a A ball lottery ticket now , but I'd still trade him to open doors for Wallner.

     

     

    The Odo trade was good, and I agree on the not trading Kepler comment.

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    22 minutes ago, LastOnePicked said:

    I don't think this can be overstated, or said loudly enough. Spot on.

    Twins should make plenty of trades this summer, but not as buyers. Addition by subtraction will do.

    I see little to no chance of this happening unless ownership agrees and guarantees this FO their job. (Huge mistake).

    They already did the trade away players for prospects and all it has gotten is two playoff sweeps and the last two terrible years and what is happening this year.

    I have little to no faith in this front office to rebuild again, and besides Polanco who are they going to trade? Gallo, Thielbar, Stewart and Gray? And in reality they can't take guys back in trades that require 40 man roster spots.

    This FO doesn't deserve another tear down with the trades and money they have spent. (By the way I agreed with the Correa signing and the Pablo and Gray trades, not the Gallo or Solano signings)

    This FO is stuck between a rock and a hard space, not really good enough (and probably don't have the prospects) to go out and improve this team, but not bad enough and don't have the players to trade and rebuild, unless they are going to give up on Larnach and Miranda)

    What they need to do is DFA Kepler and fire Rocco and hope this shakes up Polanco, Correa and Buxton to get back to being themselves and the new faces find something in Larnach and Miranda to get back on schedule.

    This acceptance of mediocrity is pathetic, sickening and all the other adjectives.

     

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    35 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

    Yes if we could trade Kepler and Pagan for some random reliever.  This would allow one of our younger corner outfielders more playing time, and I feel pretty safe that any random reliever would be better than Pagan.

    I highly doubt they would get anything of value for Kepler and Pagan, let alone a major league relief pitcher.

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    I'd trade the FO and a few more guys... Rocco and his coaches. Acquiring hitters like Gallo that can't hit and keeping more hitters that can't hit like Kepler and then batting them at the top of the lineup or in the middle of the lineup proves these guys don't know what they are doing. If they trade away more prospects this year to try to make this current team better then they are only doubling down on their own stupidity. Add Buxton and Correa to Gallo and Kepler that are worthless. The last thing they need are more veterans that this FO thinks are good.

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    14 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    besides Polanco who are they going to trade? Gallo, Thielbar, Stewart and Gray?

    Gallo yes, Thielbar yes, Stewart I suppose if he has real value, and Gray yes if he won’t sign a short extension. Polanco I would struggle with trading because he is one of the only visible leaders in the clubhouse. 

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    2 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

    Gallo yes, Thielbar yes, Stewart I suppose if he has real value, and Gray yes if he won’t sign a short extension. Polanco I would struggle with trading because he is one of the only visible leaders in the clubhouse. 

    Well trading those 3 you don't have to worry about getting anybody that requires a 40 man spot. (Gray maybe)

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