Trade deadline day thread

[Woof Bronzer]

16 minutes ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Bob Nightengale just reported that the Correa trade is dead. Astros wanted the Twins to cover 50 million of the remaining salary (102.5 million) and send them an outfielder (Larnach maybe?) and that amount of money was too much for Minnesota to agree to.

It was fun to dream...

[bjorks]

I don’t understand the hate around the Duran trade. I think when the media says the asking price is 2 high (top 100) prospects dans think we’re getting #1 and #2.

i would’ve preferred Painter, but I’d also like to be 6’ tall. Tait’s bat could be 30+ hrs and while I don’t expect him to be the next Cal Raleigh he’s a Top 5 catching prospect in all the minors and could be Top 3 depending on how you feel some others. Abel could be an Ober level pitcher, which any team would take. 

The Twins arguably got the 2 highest or 2 of the top 4 prospects so far through all trades. Some of our “fan demands” are outrageous. It feels like some of us wouldn’t be happy if Bader went to the Yankees for Judge SU. 

[Vanimal46]

10 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

So, who are those 3 pitchers? Will be really interesting to see.

 

[The Great Hambino]

3 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

De Vries has a .245/.357/.410 slash line in A+ ball as 18 year old.   My guess is those ratings are a little old.  He has ability,  but the exact same risks as Tait.   The Athletics also traded JP Sears as well.   

I don't know if I'd say the risks are the exact same.  A SS has more places to go on the defensive spectrum than a catcher.  And I'd say that's not a bad slash for a guy who was literally the youngest player at his level, at least at one point earlier in the year.

We probably already knew this, but the A's really look to serve no purpose other than round out the schedule for their opponents until they move to Vegas.  Might as well move Rooker too

[Road trip]

19 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Mason Miller traded to the Padres for a haul - 3 pitchers and #3 overall prospect in baseball Leodalis De Vries. Wow

Not sure how it'll work out, but AJ Preller in the GM seat sure has made the Padres interesting and aggressive for a small market team.

[bunsen82]

4 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

 

We just found a team where the fans hate the trade and organization more than the Duran trade LOL. 

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, bjorks said:

I don’t understand the hate around the Duran trade. I think when the media says the asking price is 2 high (top 100) prospects dans think we’re getting #1 and #2.

i would’ve preferred Painter, but I’d also like to be 6’ tall. Tait’s bat could be 30+ hrs and while I don’t expect him to be the next Cal Raleigh he’s a Top 5 catching prospect in all the minors and could be Top 3 depending on how you feel some others. Abel could be an Ober level pitcher, which any team would take. 

The Twins arguably got the 2 highest or 2 of the top 4 prospects so far through all trades. Some of our “fan demands” are outrageous. It feels like some of us wouldn’t be happy if Bader went to the Yankees for Judge SU. 

On some sites he's not even in the top 100... Or close to top five catcher prospect. For some reason people are ignoring that. On others he is!

. The issue I have with the trade is that the twins are taking all the risk, and the reward doesn't help in the next two years while they have Ryan and Lopez. I'm not giving up on Abel, but again, he's lost a ton of prospect shine in the last year. 

It might be a good trade in a few years, but it does nothing to fix their biggest issues for the next three or four. 

[nicksaviking]

17 minutes ago, bjorks said:

I don’t understand the hate around the Duran trade. I think when the media says the asking price is 2 high (top 100) prospects dans think we’re getting #1 and #2.

i would’ve preferred Painter, but I’d also like to be 6’ tall. Tait’s bat could be 30+ hrs and while I don’t expect him to be the next Cal Raleigh he’s a Top 5 catching prospect in all the minors and could be Top 3 depending on how you feel some others. Abel could be an Ober level pitcher, which any team would take. 

The Twins arguably got the 2 highest or 2 of the top 4 prospects so far through all trades. Some of our “fan demands” are outrageous. It feels like some of us wouldn’t be happy if Bader went to the Yankees for Judge SU. 

I think you're misunderstanding the fans' unrest. Without speaking for EVERYONE,  my position is that the Twins should only have traded Duran if it was a massive overpay, and based on all the national reviews, it was not, it was fair to slightly favorable to Philadelphia.

There was zero need to trade him, he was still under contract for two more years. The headliner was a A ball catcher, so all this move did was tell the fans that the Twins are already waiving the white flag on the 2026 season as well.

[SF Twins Fan]

Would they be able to bring back someone like a Bryce Mayer in a trade for Correa?  Is that too low or too high?

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, SF Twins Fan said:

Would they be able to bring back someone like a Bryce Mayer in a trade for Correa?  Is that too low or too high?

If they get anything at all, it would be a win. He's very highly paid, and the goal is to shed the salary, nothing more. 

[The Great Hambino]

Just now, nicksaviking said:

I think you're misunderstanding the fans' unrest. Without speaking for EVERYONE, the Twins should only have traded Duran if it was a massive overpay, and based on all the national reviews, it was not, it was fair to slightly favorable to Philadelphia.

There was zero need to trade him, he was still under contract for two more years. The headliner was a A ball catcher, ,so all this move did was tell the fans that the Twins are already waiving the white flag on the 2026 season as well.

Bingo

In a theoretical vacuum on paper, the value is roughly equal.  But the Phillies were desperate for a high-end reliever and should've paid a premium.  The Twins had no urgency to move Duran (both in the micro with 24 hours left til the deadline and in the macro with 2+ years of control and no apparent need to kick off a fire sale), and therefore should've been receiving a premium.  Neither happened.

Plus, I'm not convinced trade grades fully take into consideration the distance from the majors in prospect values.  That discounts the value of a return.

[bunsen82]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

 

. The issue I have with the trade is that the twins are taking all the risk, and the reward doesn't help in the next two years while they have Ryan and Lopez. I'm not giving up on Abel, but again, he's lost a ton of prospect shine in the last year. 

 

He's arguably had the best numbers in the minors of his entire career this year in AAA with a 2.31 ERA.  If you remove just his last start at the MLB level he would have a 3.47 ERA for his cup of coffee.  I am not sure how he lost all this shine????  Last year he struggled in AAA with a 1.83 whip in 24 starts.  

[bjorks]

What players in return are teams getting that are impact MLB ready? I don’t know very many respected evaluatirs who have/had Tait outside the Top 100 or not a Top catching prospect. 
Some fans want a rebuild and you don’t do that by simply trading MLB talent for MLB talent, it’s about future talent. I get you can’t make everyone happy, but Ryan wasn’t expected to be this good and here we are. I’d expect a similar package for Jax and would do it again if the return was similar. Top 100 prospects (or close to) rarely get moved at the deadline and the Twins got 2. Abel was in the 90s at the beginning of the summer. 

[Chembry]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

If they get anything at all, it would be a win. He's very highly paid, and the goal is to shed the salary, nothing more. 

Just saw that the Astros wanted the Twins to cover $50 million of his remaining salary plus throw in an outfielder

[bjorks]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

If they get anything at all, it would be a win. He's very highly paid, and the goal is to shed the salary, nothing more. 

If the expectation was the Twins would carry 50%’ish of the salary, the Twins are saving anything and not getting a ton back if they don’t carry a % of it. 

[Twodogs]

34 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Mason Miller traded to the Padres for a haul - 3 pitchers and #3 overall prospect in baseball Leodalis De Vries. Wow

Shoot, the Padres could have had Duran for a lot cheaper apparently?

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, bjorks said:

If the expectation was the Twins would carry 50%’ish of the salary, the Twins are saving anything and not getting a ton back if they don’t carry a % of it. 

I wouldn't include another player to shed salary. I might eat some, bit not fifty percent. 

To be clear, I do this because they aren't winning with this core, and signing and,old, guys to full in holes. I want them to go young.....

I think CC is still capable of being really good. So there is risk here for sure...

I also think the owners pocket the money....

[Patzky]

8 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

He's arguably had the best numbers in the minors of his entire career this year in AAA with a 2.31 ERA.  If you remove just his last start at the MLB level he would have a 3.47 ERA for his cup of coffee.  I am not sure how he lost all this shine????  Last year he struggled in AAA with a 1.83 whip in 24 starts.  

Abel will be our #3 starter by September.

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, Twodogs said:

Shoot, the Padres could have had Duran for a lot cheaper apparently?

But they didn't and they got antsy. Timing..

[bunsen82]

1 minute ago, Patzky said:

Abel will be our #3 starter by September.

I still think Ober is our #3,  unless we trade Ryan today.  

[AceWrigley]

Looks like the Astros are asking for $50m + an outfielder for them to take Correa off our hands . . . ain't happening.

[USAFChief]

2 minutes ago, Patzky said:

Abel will be our #3 starter by September.

Lopez and Ober will still be on IL, Ryan traded and Matthews will regress? 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I wouldn't include another player to shed salary. I might eat some, bit not fifty percent. 

To be clear, I do this because they aren't winning with this core, and signing and,old, guys to full in holes. I want them to go young.....

I think CC is still capable of being really good. So there is risk here for sure...

I also think the owners pocket the money....

Too early to write off Correa. I tend to be a bit of a 'homer' when it comes to C4 so perhaps my optimism is misguided. Hope we get the chance to find out.

[nicksaviking]

7 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

He's arguably had the best numbers in the minors of his entire career this year in AAA with a 2.31 ERA.  If you remove just his last start at the MLB level he would have a 3.47 ERA for his cup of coffee.  I am not sure how he lost all this shine????  Last year he struggled in AAA with a 1.83 whip in 24 starts.  

He struggled every year until this season. He was only given prospect consideration because of his draft position; he should have never had any shine.

Look, I'm not going to write him off, I'm hopeful that his success this year is permanent, but historically, unless you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, guys with control issues do not end up turning into good starters. The walk numbers look better this year, so maybe he's figured something out, we'll have to hang our hopes on that. However, that's not typically something that is fixed with young pitchers, usually they either have decent control or they don't.

[bunsen82]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Lopez and Ober will still be on IL, Ryan traded and Matthews will regress? 

Ok then how about for 2026,  or do you want to piss in those cheerios too LOL.   Abel has higher upside and more likelihood of becoming a solid starter than Matthews.  If both hit we are in great shape for the future.   

[Mike Sixel]

I don't rank players..... But I read the rankings. Abel had dropped. By people that do this for a living. I'm guessing it's command and control. I'm not sure how arguing with me about those rankings does much? I'm just posting what others are saying. 

[bunsen82]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

He struggled every year until this season. He was only given prospect consideration because of his draft position; he should have never had any shine.

Look, I'm not going to write him off, I'm hopeful that his success this year is permanent, but historically, unless you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, guys with control issues do not end up turning into good starters. The walk numbers look better this year, so maybe he's figured something out, we'll have to hang our hopes on that. However, that's not typically something that is fixed with young pitchers, usually they either have decent control or they don't.

He had prospect shine because the Phillies continued to push him hard up at each level.  He was always way younger than the competition.   To me his stats in AAA show a player that has the potential to be a very good long term starter in the majors.   His walk numbers aren't that far off from Sonny Gray historical numbers.  If we could get a sonny Gray everyone would be thrilled.  

[Patzky]

6 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

I still think Ober is our #3,  unless we trade Ryan today.  

I expect Ober back by next week.. if Pablo isn't that means his recovery has gone badly which is scary for next year.

[bunsen82]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

I don't rank players..... But I read the rankings. Abel had dropped. By people that do this for a living. I'm guessing it's command and control. I'm not sure how arguing with me about those rankings does much? I'm just posting what others are saying. 

[nicksaviking]

13 minutes ago, bjorks said:

If the expectation was the Twins would carry 50%’ish of the salary, the Twins are saving anything and not getting a ton back if they don’t carry a % of it. 

If the Pohlad's are truly selling soon, I'm sure they only care about Houston taking the rest of the salary that they still owe him this year.