Pump the Brakes On These Prospects

[LA Vikes Fan]

3 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

This isn't totally true. Julien's first stint in the majors was an 8 game stretch from April 12 through 20. He hit .222/.276/.444/.720 while playing horrid defense in that stretch. After he was recalled in May he spent another week in AAA before being a regular in the Twins lineup. I mean the kid played in 109 games. It's not like they had him down for months after his first stint, which wasn't impressive.

Wallner played far fewer total games (76), but his first stint in the majors was horrid. Super small sample size, no doubt, but from April 9 through April 14 he had a .000/.273/.000/.273 slash line. Again, limited playing time and very small sample. In his next 5 game stint in May he had better success, but, again, a super small sample size. Everyone remembers his ending that stint by reaching base 8 straight times, but he'd reached base 2 times total before that 8 PA stretch. Once he was back in July he was a regular the rest of the year.

It's not like these guys came in and did otherworldly things for a long stretch and then were sent back down. I remember being quite upset about things during the season, but going back and looking at it makes me see it wasn't that egregious. Gallo over Wallner is certainly frustrating, but giving Polanco run over Julien until the middle of May isn't ridiculous at all in my opinion. I think they actually managed this pretty well overall. Even though it certainly didn't feel like it at the time.

Absolutely right and probably how it will and should go with Martin, Lee, Camargo, etc. IF it goes well. These guys come up, have trouble, go back, come up again, do better, etc. All of the players motioned will get opportunities during the first half of the year as injury replacements and none of them has so torn up AAA that staying there is a waste of time. I think counting on any of them as important reserves at the beginning of the season is very problematic and counting on them as starters is a fool's errand. 

That isn't to say we shouldn't trade Polanco or Kepler if a good deal for stating pitching comes along.  We'd be taking a big chance given what we have behind them but it could be worth doing for the right starter.  Having said that, trading those two for prospects or to open up a spot for a minor leaguer doesn't make a lot of sense to me IF the goal is to compete in 2024 and advance farther in the playoffs. These guys will get their chance in time. No need to force anything.  

[TwinkieFan4life]

Of course it would be better to have depth at all positions.  Unfortunately this is an economic decision.  The opportunity cost of spending 20+ million on vets like Vasquez, Gallo, and Taylor must be considered.  Of course they had value, but so did Gray and Maeda.  This team has a bunch of needs and limited payroll.

With the payroll crunch, some reliance on youth will be a necessity, even if it isn't ideal.  I would rather stack pitching depth than infield or outfield depth.

[RpR]

6 minutes ago, TwinkieFan4life said:

Of course it would be better to have depth at all positions.  Unfortunately this is an economic decision.  The opportunity cost of spending 20+ million on vets like Vasquez, Gallo, and Taylor must be considered.  Of course they had value, but so did Gray and Maeda.  This team has a bunch of needs and limited payroll.

With the payroll crunch, some reliance on youth will be a necessity, even if it isn't ideal.  I would rather stack pitching depth than infield or outfield depth.

Until we know how much the Twins really have this is conjecture, therefore; necessity is does not exist except in some pessimistic conjectures.

[DocBauer]

I LOVE prospects. I love the draft, love prospect lists, and follow the milb system very closely. But I seldom, if ever, CALL for a prospect to be given a starting spot at the begining of the season. (Which is part of the reason I really miss larger expansion of September rosters so guys can get their feet wet).

I recall a couple years ago when the Twins acquired Martin from the Jays and he finished in AA...where he started...with OK but not earth shattering numbers but a lot of people were penciling him in to a starting role the next season due to, I guess, prospect and draft position fever. Now, I soured some on Martin, have now gotten very excited about him, but even with a strong end to '22, a great AFL, and a good half year of 2023, I'd rather see another option to begin in CF besides him next season. It would be different if the Twins were re-building, rather than looking to contend.

And that's where there's a real difference: the intention of the team.

I screamed to bring up Wallner and Julien last season ASAP. But both of those guys were not only tearing it up in AAA, but had great years the season before, and Wallner had about a half season of AAA in 2022. I didn't want or expect them to begin 2023 in the majors. But I did think they were ready, or at least deserving of a chance, a couple months in to last year.

I'm actually thinking Martin just might be the starting CF very soon, depending on a huge turnaround in Buxton's health fortunes. But because of that possibility, and a shortened 2023, I think the Twins are better, and deeper, with someone else to be that temporary/fill-in CF like Taylor was last year, and let Martin gain some more experience.

I think Camargo has a chance to be a really nice 2nd catcher with power at the ML level. But I sure don't want to find out tomorrow by moving on from Vazquez at this point. (I mean, I like him, but he's not the 2nd coming of Mauer). 

I love Lee and think he's going to be outstanding, whether he or Lewis plays 3B or 2B I don't care. But I have no illusions that Lee, and his 1yr and 2 months of milb experience, is 100% ready for a starting job from day one in 2024.

I believe there are ALWAYS opportunities for prospects to get their shot in a given season, and some do need to go down and come back up again. There's no shame in that. I think "forcing the issue" is just a way of saying perform at a high level and BE READY for when you get your shot. You want to be THE NEXT GUY up when opportunity knocks, not be passed over. 

But a team's intent with a young player is not only what's best for the team's future, and the prospect's, but team needs, and just what kind of ceiling does the kid actually have? For example, I've been pretty vocal in support of the late blooming Michael Helman. Why? After a slow start to his career, he's been on a consistent 3yr run of performing well, and getting better each season. And he's already proven himself quite well at AAA. He can play 7 spots, can hit, get on OB a bit, and has power as well as speed. The Twins seem to like him also, that's why he was a non-roster invite to ST to begin '23. Unfortunately, he had a bad hamstring and wasn't able to participate. Once his season began, he had a concussion. Later on, he had a bad shoulder due to a dive/fall. But all around that, he pretty much raked at AAA. But I don't think anyone sees him as the next great, "look what we found" position player who is ever going to be a full time, regular for the Twins. But he might be a really nice, versatile, RH power/speed guy similar to Castro. And at 27yo, he's probably developed as much as he is going to, and if the Twins don't add someone better due to budget issues, he might be a really nice add to the lineup from day one as a rookie role player.

Different agendas for different players at different times in their careers.

I'm very excited for Lee and Martin, only a little less so for the possibility of Severino as a nice piece to the team. Again, I think Camargo has a chance to be a solid ML catcher. And all of these guys are going to get their opportunities. But I'm sure not looking for them to begin the season with the Twins...barring injury or mad/crazy performance...over solid veterans, even some who might be on a 1yr deal.

[Fatbat]

I don’t personally want to be the team the brings in the Gallos and Bundys to say we have proven vets. Its a complete waste of my time to spend rooting for 1 season guy that I’ve never cared for.  Bring in a guy that is an actual investment in the team! In addition, when you draft guys and develop them into almost big leaguers, keep most of them around for at least a minute to see if they will pan out.  Finally. With all the high pedigree draftees and international signees, we as fans expect them to be brought up when they are ready to succeed and we expect that to happen faster than average. Don’t hide them in AA and don’t trade them away. If there is another rookie class of 1-4 players ready in April or September bring them up.  Stop making us watch the Gallo’s and shoemakers try to hold onto something they them selves cant admit that they have lost. 

[RpR]

3 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

I don’t personally want to be the team the brings in the Gallos and Bundys to say we have proven vets. Its a complete waste of my time to spend rooting for 1 season guy that I’ve never cared for.  Bring in a guy that is an actual investment in the team! In addition, when you draft guys and develop them into almost big leaguers, keep most of them around for at least a minute to see if they will pan out.  Finally. With all the high pedigree draftees and international signees, we as fans expect them to be brought up when they are ready to succeed and we expect that to happen faster than average. Don’t hide them in AA and don’t trade them away. If there is another rookie class of 1-4 players ready in April or September bring them up.  Stop making us watch the Gallo’s and shoemakers try to hold onto something they them selves cant admit that they have lost. 

Throw the Rookies in, ready or not, and watch them find out they never had any thing to lose.

[Fatbat]

9 minutes ago, RpR said:

Throw the Rookies in, ready or not, and watch them find out they never had any thing to lose.

*when they are ready. We all know there are growing pains. 

[TwinkieFan4life]

2 hours ago, RpR said:

Until we know how much the Twins really have this is conjecture, therefore; necessity is does not exist except in some pessimistic conjectures.

Did I imagine a Twins executive saying that we should expect a payroll reduction next year?

[old nurse]

1 hour ago, Fatbat said:

I don’t personally want to be the team the brings in the Gallos and Bundys to say we have proven vets. Its a complete waste of my time to spend rooting for 1 season guy that I’ve never cared for.  Bring in a guy that is an actual investment in the team! In addition, when you draft guys and develop them into almost big leaguers, keep most of them around for at least a minute to see if they will pan out.  Finally. With all the high pedigree draftees and international signees, we as fans expect them to be brought up when they are ready to succeed and we expect that to happen faster than average. Don’t hide them in AA and don’t trade them away. If there is another rookie class of 1-4 players ready in April or September bring them up.  Stop making us watch the Gallo’s and shoemakers try to hold onto something they them selves cant admit that they have lost. 

There always are going to be 1 year filler players. At least this year there were no washed up over the hill infielder playing in the outfield.  As far as fans with expectations, the club may acknowledge them but also remember all the fan rhetoric over Mauer’s last years, Buxton’s injuries,. The fans are fickle. 

[chpettit19]

9 hours ago, Fatbat said:

*when they are ready. We all know there are growing pains. 

My question to you is if those growing pains lead to a 79-83 record after having just played in the ALDS will you be singing the praises of the FO for letting the kids work through their growing pains or will you be upset at the substantial step back in season results?

Not saying that'd be the result, or that there's a right or wrong answer. Just curious. Cuz it is a possibility.

[PatG]

21 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Depends on the pitcher. I really like Julien's bat, and actually think he should start trying left field a bit to be honest. 

I agree 100% about the quality of his bat (runs, OPS, HRs, etc); I guess that is why I thought we should trade him for a fantastic starting pitcher; could we hope to get something as valuable as Lopez back?

Could we hope for Lopez's and Gray's health of 2023?

My point: we have players ready to step into Julien's shoes (Lewis, Lee, even Miranda and Martin);  we don't have someone ready to step into Gray's shoes (Varland? Ryan?)

[Fatbat]

@chpettit19 I would be disappointed about a 79 win season but I wouldn’t be upset about playing the younger guys.  There are a lot of directions that the FO can go to improve the team for 2024.  Just looking at a budget that has a $15M range (125-140M) suggests that they are exploring different ways to get a winning team on the field. The biggest issues we could face is a regress in pitching and injuries.  He have plenty of infield depth so why upset that apple cart. Replace gray as best you can. Don’t sign an $11M Gallo or a $2M Bundy/Archer/Shoemaker combo platter of barf to replace Gray.  
The offense needs base runners, play Castro every day. Somewhere. Find another kid that can get on base regularly.  Great pitching and base runners wont lose 90 games. 

[Shobae]

Good to see someone talking some sense here. The vast majority of prospects don't pan out and hyping up guys based on a few months of performance is seemingly something people will never learn to stay away from. Even with the guys who have MLB experience there are many examples of guys having good rookie seasons and then never living up to that hype (Sano and Miranda so far come to mind). Wallner and Lewis certainly have some bust risk still, though I do think Julien has an average major leaguer floor because of his plate discipline.
Unfortunately, the billionaires who are desperate to save less than 1% of the teams and their net-worth, means that people are talking about how to cut payroll and so I don't think you can blame them for that. With these self-imposed restrictions on the team you're going to have to start cutting corners, meaning less quality depth and more praying on prospects.

[chpettit19]

22 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

@chpettit19 I would be disappointed about a 79 win season but I wouldn’t be upset about playing the younger guys.  There are a lot of directions that the FO can go to improve the team for 2024.  Just looking at a budget that has a $15M range (125-140M) suggests that they are exploring different ways to get a winning team on the field. The biggest issues we could face is a regress in pitching and injuries.  He have plenty of infield depth so why upset that apple cart. Replace gray as best you can. Don’t sign an $11M Gallo or a $2M Bundy/Archer/Shoemaker combo platter of barf to replace Gray.  
The offense needs base runners, play Castro every day. Somewhere. Find another kid that can get on base regularly.  Great pitching and base runners wont lose 90 games. 

I agree there's a lot of different ways this offseason can play out. I'm quite interested to see what they do. But Donovan Solano was a $2M one year signing. MAT was a $4.5M one year guy. Gallo was a disaster over most of the season, but he won games for the Twins in April. I don't know how they're going to replace Gray, but I sure hope it's their #1 priority, and they aren't going to cheap out on it (with $ or trade capital). Just pointing at the failed 1 year guys seems to be ignoring the other side of things, though.

I think banking on Castro to be a .300+ OBP guy again is asking a lot. His 8.3% BB rate last year wasn't anything crazy (13th best out of 17 Twins players with at least 100 PAs), but it was by far his highest of his career. Maybe it's his new norm, but his 4 previous MLB stints had BB% of 5.5, 5.0, 5.1, and 3.8 (was in that same kind of range for his minor league career, too). I think that's where I differ with a lot of folks around here. Castro's career year in 2023 was him being a league average hitter. He's a very nice utility player to have, but I want no part of relying on him everyday. "Find another kid that can get on base regularly" is much easier said than done. Miranda was the toast of the town after tearing up the minors then having a very nice rookie year, and now people are saying he has no future here because these other unproven guys are clearly not going to have a regression like he did (his very well could've been injury driven). I'm excited for the kids, too. But I don't think pointing to an historic Twins rookie class in 2023 as some sort of expected result moving forward is being realistic, and I want proven MLB players to start the year and let the rookies take jobs as injuries and poor performance will undoubtedly allow them chances to do.

I just think if you start with the young guys and they don't succeed (which is very likely whether we like it or not) then you're looking at minor league journeymen or even worse prospects having to fill in. Then you're very much looking at the possibility of 80+ losses.

[Trov]

I fully agree to never go into a season expecting a rookie to take the job out of camp and run with it.  Many do have the ups and downs.  Just look at some of the top guys last year.  De Le Cruz last year, he broke out with one of the hottest months of any rookie ever.  Then he played well below replacement level the remaining 3 months.  Not saying he is the guy that finished the season, but point is even after super hot starts there may be fall off.  We saw that with Wallner and in part Julien.  

Julio Rodriguez was the opposite, he was a top prosect and he started his first month just terrible but since, other than a bad month in June last year, he has been good to great. Hot starts for prospects mean nothing, and same with cold starts.  I have high hopes for Lee, but he has not tore up each level, mainly just been steady.  Do not expect he will come in and be an MVP type guy, just a solid piece. 

[Minny505]

On 11/15/2023 at 8:11 AM, Cory Engelhardt said:

I'd be fully on board. His range is solid, and I THINK I like Lee's arm a little bit more, so having him at 3b and Lewis at 2b makes a world of sense to me too.

 

23 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Lee's arm is supposedly stronger and he's less speedy/rangy than Lewis. Their skillsets should match up nicely at third and second base, respectively.

23 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Curious where you see Julien line up defensively? I don't really see him full time anywhere, but possibly 1b/2b/LF? I do think his bat should play still, but I have a hard time penciling him anywhere and feeling confident about it.

Lewis's arm is certainly suspect at 3B. I remember turning on a game midway thru and Lewis uncorked a throw that was an absolute missle to 1B and I said to my son "I didn't know Lewis had that in him." On the replay, it was Castro at 3B...and Lewis still doesn't have that throw in him. 

For reference, Lewis's arm ranks at the 44% for infielders. He's perfectly adequate at 3B, but he'd likely be a good-to-very-good 2B. Lee, meanwhile, projected as a 3B the day he was drafted. He might make an average 2B, but a good-to-very-good 3B. 

And @Cory Engelhardt, I agree with you on Julien. He's probably the primary DH while filling in once a week at each of those positions to give the primary fielders a regular breather. That said, his arm(the 14%) screams 1B/DH.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

Lewis's arm is certainly suspect at 3B. I remember turning on a game midway thru and Lewis uncorked a throw that was an absolute missle to 1B and I said to my son "I didn't know Lewis had that in him." On the replay, it was Castro at 3B...and Lewis still doesn't have that throw in him. 

For reference, Lewis's arm ranks at the 44% for infielders. He's perfectly adequate at 3B, but he'd likely be a good-to-very-good 2B. Lee, meanwhile, projected as a 3B the day he was drafted. He might make an average 2B, but a good-to-very-good 3B.

Wholly agree on all of this. I think Lewis can be a third baseman but it's not a great fit for his tools.

[Fatbat]

@chpettit19 maybe its just coolaide drinking but I believe the twins are only 1/3 of the way thru a youth movement that will continue thru the start of 2027/28. Between the top pedigree draft picks, international signees and huge group of minor league pitchers, we will have a mostly homegrown team that is competitive for many years.
Castro is going to be a very solid player, we are lucky that he was lost to us by a dysfunctional org. Unlikely that he will be an allstar but he has skills that we need. 
Miranda and AK just might put the injuries behind them which solves the whole 1B issue. The FO should have a good idea about their health very soon so if they don’t address it, trust that it has taken care of itself. 
So that leads to the next wave of rookies in 24/25… we only need 3of9/10 to stick 1 IF and 2 OF as everday starters. The last wave in 26/27 brings in the frosting on top. Probably two more everyday guys. 
Lastly, the pitchers and catchers, we have a solid but underwhelming group coming soon. This is why they have to focus on it in FA/trades/draft. 

[chpettit19]

5 minutes ago, Fatbat said:

@chpettit19 maybe its just coolaide drinking but I believe the twins are only 1/3 of the way thru a youth movement that will continue thru the start of 2027/28. Between the top pedigree draft picks, international signees and huge group of minor league pitchers, we will have a mostly homegrown team that is competitive for many years.
Castro is going to be a very solid player, we are lucky that he was lost to us by a dysfunctional org. Unlikely that he will be an allstar but he has skills that we need. 
Miranda and AK just might put the injuries behind them which solves the whole 1B issue. The FO should have a good idea about their health very soon so if they don’t address it, trust that it has taken care of itself. 
So that leads to the next wave of rookies in 24/25… we only need 3of9/10 to stick 1 IF and 2 OF as everday starters. The last wave in 26/27 brings in the frosting on top. Probably the more everyday guys. 
Lastly, the pitchers and catchers, we have a solid but underwhelming group coming soon. This is why they have to focus on it in FA/trades/draft. 

To me, you're just describing the goal, and plan, of every MLB team. Youth movements that take 4 or 5 years are just called team building. Some of those "top pedigree draft picks" are going to fail (see Sabato, Cavaco, and to a lesser degree Larnach). I'm by no means saying that this youth movement through 2027/28 shouldn't be the plan. And by 2027/28 they should have another batch of "top pedigree draft picks, international signees and huge group of minor league pitchers" ready to start a new youth movement in 2029 through 2034. That's just team building 101. Keep drafting and signing kids and developing them. Every team is trying to do that. My point is that you can't just rely on all of those young guys succeeding, and not have some 1 year vets, or big FA signings, to supplement them.

If things work out the way many fans seem to expect them to over the next handful of years the Twins are going to be a dynasty. I hope you're all correct.

[Cory Engelhardt]

1 hour ago, Minny505 said:

Lewis's arm is certainly suspect at 3B. I remember turning on a game midway thru and Lewis uncorked a throw that was an absolute missle to 1B and I said to my son "I didn't know Lewis had that in him." On the replay, it was Castro at 3B...and Lewis still doesn't have that throw in him. 

For reference, Lewis's arm ranks at the 44% for infielders. He's perfectly adequate at 3B, but he'd likely be a good-to-very-good 2B. Lee, meanwhile, projected as a 3B the day he was drafted. He might make an average 2B, but a good-to-very-good 3B. 

And @Cory Engelhardt, I agree with you on Julien. He's probably the primary DH while filling in once a week at each of those positions to give the primary fielders a regular breather. That said, his arm(the 14%) screams 1B/DH.

OTHER than 1B/DH, do you see any position that his arm (Julien's) isn't a hindrance? I'm hoping he can be an option at a few spots to keep his bat in the lineup. For example, left field occasionally makes sense to me as well as 1B/2B.

[TopGunn#22]

I wouldn't mind Julien at the top of the order and Castro/Martin at the bottom at all.  Speed is BACK in the game of major league baseball (thank goodness) and guys that can consistently get on base and run (like Julien & Martin) may not be huge impact players but are solid, consistent contributors.  Castro is the perfect bench guy with his positional versatility and speed in late game situations.

It took Rocco awhile to warm up to the new rules that made base stealing appealing, but he finally did and Castro and to a lesser degree, Taylor. made it work.  Martin just might be the answer in CF.  We're still 2-3 years from seeing Emmanuel Rodriguez or Walker Jenkins out there.  Can Martin be that guy in a platoon with Castro in 2024?

[Mike Sixel]

6 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

My question to you is if those growing pains lead to a 79-83 record after having just played in the ALDS will you be singing the praises of the FO for letting the kids work through their growing pains or will you be upset at the substantial step back in season results?

Not saying that'd be the result, or that there's a right or wrong answer. Just curious. Cuz it is a possibility.

It's possible they sign crappy veterans also....or that they get hurt. This fear of even adding one rookie a year baffles me, especially for fans of a mid-market team with a budget. 

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

It's possible they sign crappy veterans also....or that they get hurt. This fear of even adding one rookie a year baffles me, especially for fans of a mid-market team with a budget. 

And if they're crappy or get hurt the rookie is there to fill in. Just like what happened last year. When you start the season with that rookie in that spot who's there to fill in for them? An even lower level prospect or some journeyman minor leaguer? No thanks. 

I'm not suggesting not adding rookies. I was happy with the 3 they added last year. That was an outlier group. I don't "fear" adding rookies. I don't want to rely on Lewis to stay healthy, and Kirilloff to stay healthy, and Julien to learn to hit lefties for the first time in his pro career while maintaining last year's production after the league makes adjustments to him, and Wallner being able to cut down his Ks and maintain last year's production after the league makes adjustments to him, and Jeffers to maintain his top of the league OPS while playing more games, and Martin being a legit major leaguer from the jump. That's not fearing adding one rookie, that's believing the best odds for taking a step forward from 2023 isn't to rely on 6 unproven players in your opening day lineup. I'm sorry if that is baffling to you.

[USAFChief]

21 hours ago, roger said:

Interesting article, but….

Is Lee the third baseman of the future?  No.  Lewis is the third baseman of the present and future.  Don’t know where Lee will play or even if he does.  But unless Lewis is injured it ain’t gonna be third.

Concur.

I think Lewis is the Twins 3rd baseman for at least the next few seasons.

[Fatbat]

@chpettit19 agreed. The FO cant ever pick all the correct parts and it has taken a decade to get out of the garbage that lead to all those playoff loses. I believe this FO has learned from the Cavaco/Sobato type draft strategies that have been just plain bad in hind sight. The 23 draft class may become legendary if even a few of those pitchers fulfill draft expectations.  If we go back to back with great drafts, we indeed could have an embarrassment of riches. 

[Minny505]

3 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

OTHER than 1B/DH, do you see any position that his arm (Julien's) isn't a hindrance? I'm hoping he can be an option at a few spots to keep his bat in the lineup. For example, left field occasionally makes sense to me as well as 1B/2B.

LF is fine, but he's really slow. Speed is such a core component of OF defense. That lack of speed is also why I don't love him at 2B.

That said, his defense at 2B was shockingly average by the metrics. He's the opposite of Gio Urshela.

Julien looks bad, but grades out decent, while Urshela looks decent, but grades out bad. 

 

[Fatbat]

@Shobaethe twins have the 10th ranked farm system and the 6th ranked MLB roster going into ‘24 while spending the 27th ranked budget? Someone is making good decisions. 

[RpR]

24 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

LF is fine, but he's really slow. Speed is such a core component of OF defense. That lack of speed is also why I don't love him at 2B.

That said, his defense at 2B was shockingly average by the metrics. He's the opposite of Gio Urshela.

Julien looks bad, but grades out decent, while Urshela looks decent, but grades out bad. 

 

Julien plays second, Urshela plays third.

Urshela only played one half as many games as Julien this year but his defense numbers were very, very good.

[twinsfan02]

On 11/15/2023 at 11:48 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

I honestly don't know. I had him written off as a DH based on early results but by the end of the season, he had clearly improved at second. I don't think he'll ever be good, or maybe even average, but I think he has a chance to stick at second.

Which makes me more willing to trade one of the Lee/Lewis/Julien triumvirate, preferably Lee.

You absolutely cannot trade Lee or Lewis. They have to be off limits unless you are getting Acuna or Ohtani

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

You absolutely cannot trade Lee or Lewis. They have to be off limits unless you are getting Acuna or Ohtani

Oh, I disagree. I think Lee is eminently tradable. I'd go for a Lee plus prospects for Freddy Peralta all day long (from both teams' sides, really).