Off-Season Twins 40-man Roster moves 23-24

[Vanimal46]

Per Dan Hayes on Twitter…

Jose De León, Jordan Luplow, and Andrew Stevenson were outrighted off the 40-man roster and elected free agency.

[nicksaviking]

So that leaves the team with 35 players subtracting the pending free agents and adding back the 60-day IL guys?

 

[lecroy24fan]

6 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

So that leaves the team with 35 players subtracting the pending free agents and adding back the 60-day IL guys?

 

I'm counting 37.

[stringer bell]

Subtract another one. Ortega was claimed by the Astros. 

[stringer bell]

I am counting 42 players. Subtracting soon-to-be free agents Gray, Keuchel, Maeda, Mahle, Pagán, Solano, Gallo and Taylor, the total is now 34. Is that right?

[IaBeanCounter]

6 hours ago, stringer bell said:

Subtract another one. Ortega was claimed by the Astros. 

I hadn't seen where the Twins dfa'd Ortega.  He was on 60 day IL.  Astros will probably turn him into the next Ryan Pressley

Edit: Ortega is on the 60 day IL for the Astros

[Rosterman]

7 hours ago, stringer bell said:

I am counting 42 players. Subtracting soon-to-be free agents Gray, Keuchel, Maeda, Mahle, Pagán, Solano, Gallo and Taylor, the total is now 34. Is that right?

Yep, Twins have six roster spots. Just what they need to add some Rule 5s or minor league (their own) free agents.

[stringer bell]

2 hours ago, IaBeanCounter said:

I hadn't seen where the Twins dfa'd Ortega.  He was on 60 day IL.  Astros will probably turn him into the next Ryan Pressley

Edit: Ortega is on the 60 day IL for the Astros

Common that teams don't announce DFAs when trying to outright the player. I thought Ortega had a chance to be a good bullpen arm both in '23 and '24. We shall see what the Astros get out of him.

[stringer bell]

Severino and Camargo added to the 40-man, avoiding minor league free agency for both players. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Is Severino still considered a 'prospect' at this point? He's 24 but only has a handful of AB's at AAA. Wondering if there's still some upside...

[Brandon]

At what point do we start a new thread since we are now in the offseason?

[stringer bell]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

At what point do we start a new thread since we are now in the offseason?

I would say New Year's Day since this one is labeled 2023.

[IaBeanCounter]

When do minor leaguers have to be added to avoid the rule 5 draft? 

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

58 minutes ago, IaBeanCounter said:

When do minor leaguers have to be added to avoid the rule 5 draft? 

November 14th.  

[IaBeanCounter]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye Bean Counter said:

November 14th.  

Thanks 

[nicksaviking]

On 11/6/2023 at 1:13 PM, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Is Severino still considered a 'prospect' at this point? He's 24 but only has a handful of AB's at AAA. Wondering if there's still some upside...

He's half a year younger than Martin and Julien and two year's younger than Wallner. He reached AAA a month after Martin, and as far as his promotion path goes, he is ahead of Julien and Wallner considering neither got bumped up to AAA in 2022. If those guys aren't considered prospects, then I really could care less about prospects and only care about which minor leaguers can come up and contribute.

Same goes for Camargo. And should any of Prato, Williams and Kiersey remain after the draft, I'm not closing the book on them either.

[Fatbat]

November 6, 2023Minnesota Twins activated SS Nick Gordon from the 60-day injured list.

November 6, 2023Minnesota Twins activated RHP Matt Canterino from the 60-day injured list.

November 6, 2023Minnesota Twins activated LHP Jovani Moran from the 60-day injured list.

[IaBeanCounter]

On 11/7/2023 at 3:08 PM, Fatbat said:

November 6, 2023Minnesota Twins activated SS Nick Gordon from the 60-day injured list.

November 6, 2023Minnesota Twins activated RHP Matt Canterino from the 60-day injured list.

November 6, 2023Minnesota Twins activated LHP Jovani Moran from the 60-day injured list.

Will Gordon be traded or dfa'd prior to 11/14 to make room for another prospect to avoid losing them in the rule 5 draft?

[ashbury]

40 minutes ago, IaBeanCounter said:

Will Gordon be traded or dfa'd prior to 11/14 to make room for another prospect to avoid losing them in the rule 5 draft?

At the moment I count 17 position players and 19 pitchers on the 40.  And this includes the two prospects recently added, Severino and Camargo.  So they can add 4 more prospects if they wish, before needing to move someone already on the 40.  However there are rules about the young'uns once they are added, so if they want to leave room for free agents they may not add too many more - again as you say they can certainly treat Gordon (or someone else they deem expendable) via trade/dfa when that time comes, but I wouldn't expect this week.  Ronny Henriquez could conceivably be on thin ice rosterwise too, if they find they need a spot.

[Fatbat]

3 hours ago, ashbury said:

At the moment I count 17 position players and 19 pitchers on the 40.  And this includes the two prospects recently added, Severino and Camargo.  So they can add 4 more prospects if they wish, before needing to move someone already on the 40.  However there are rules about the young'uns once they are added, so if they want to leave room for free agents they may not add too many more - again as you say they can certainly treat Gordon (or someone else they deem expendable) via trade/dfa when that time comes, but I wouldn't expect this week.  Ronny Henriquez could conceivably be on thin ice rosterwise too, if they find they need a spot.

I anticipate several roster moves this week. Gordon most likely gets DFAd. 

[Squirrel]

On 11/7/2023 at 10:42 AM, stringer bell said:

I would say New Year's Day since this one is labeled 2023.

I split this off. The other thread was really for during the 23 season. It doesn’t make sense to have part of the off-season in one thread, and part in another. And when the season starts, we will start a new transaction thread to keep track of the up and down. It’s a little different because in season we are looking more at the 26-man and and the transactions that affect that. During the off-season it’s mostly the 40=man with an eye to next spring of who will make the 26-man.

[Vanimal46]

Per Seth Stohs on Twitter, here are the minor leaguers who elected FA:

Batters:

Catchers Jeferson Morales, Tony Wolters, Mark Kolozsvary, David Banuelos. 
IF Elliot Soto, Hernan Perez. 

Pitchers:

LHP Gabriel Yanez, Sam Perez, Michael Boyle
RHP Blayne Enlow, Patrick Murphy, Austin Brice, Carlos Luna, Curtis Taylor, Christopher Dishmey, Zaquiel Puentes, Francis Peguero, Alex Scherff, Isaac Mattson

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, Vanimal46 said:

Per Seth Stohs on Twitter, here are the minor leaguers who elected FA:

Batters:

Catchers Jeferson Morales, Tony Wolters, Mark Kolozsvary, David Banuelos. 
IF Elliot Soto, Hernan Perez. 

Pitchers:

LHP Gabriel Yanez, Sam Perez, Michael Boyle
RHP Blayne Enlow, Patrick Murphy, Austin Brice, Carlos Luna, Curtis Taylor, Christopher Dishmey, Zaquiel Puentes, Francis Peguero, Alex Scherff, Isaac Mattson

This is already in the minor league forum here:

This thread is specifically for the Twins 40-man off-season roster moves

[Mike Sixel]

I mean, they will add Martin and ERod.... So that's two more....

[Seth Stohs]

On 11/10/2023 at 12:03 AM, Fatbat said:

I anticipate several roster moves this week. Gordon most likely gets DFAd. 

I haven't counted or verified, but if they're at 36 after adding Camargo and Severino, then there isn't much reason to drop too many. They'll add Martin and E-Rod which would put them at 38. At that point, those four new adds will not be able to be removed from the 40-man until spring training. 

As for Gordon, he might get DFAd. I'd say it'd be more likely that he gets non-tendered when that needs to happen later in the month. But, I'd also say that as well as we thought Willi Castro played in 2023, Nick Gordon's 2022 was nearly identical. I don't think that he should just be passed off. 

[stringer bell]

30 minutes ago, Seth Stohs said:

As for Gordon, he might get DFAd. I'd say it'd be more likely that he gets non-tendered when that needs to happen later in the month. But, I'd also say that as well as we thought Willi Castro played in 2023, Nick Gordon's 2022 was nearly identical. I don't think that he should just be passed off. 

I don't think the 2022 for Gordon profiles near as well as 2023 does for Castro. Hitting-wise they are similar, but defense, base running and versatility all favor Castro by a wide margin. Willi's speed and base running are far superior to Gordon and he's a better defender at second, short and third and pretty equal in the outfield (I'd favor Castro there as well). If there's only room for one true utility player, it has to be Castro. 

[Fatbat]

@Seth Stohs the non tender makes more sense. I was trying to clear more room on the 40 man and don’t give any value to Gordon in trades. He has lost his job to Castro so why keep him on the 40 man when those spots have actual value when trying to build the 2024 roster. 

[nicksaviking]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

I don't think the 2022 for Gordon profiles near as well as 2023 does for Castro. Hitting-wise they are similar, but defense, base running and versatility all favor Castro by a wide margin. Willi's speed and base running are far superior to Gordon and he's a better defender at second, short and third and pretty equal in the outfield (I'd favor Castro there as well). If there's only room for one true utility player, it has to be Castro. 

Gordon also sees the fewest pitches per plate appearances on the team. Something we now know runs opposite of current team goals.

[jorgenswest]

35 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Gordon also sees the fewest pitches per plate appearances on the team. Something we now know runs opposite of current team goals.

Gordon also doesn’t strike out nearly as often. I am not sure that is a team goal though.

The batting projections for Castro and Gordon next year are very. Over his career Gordon has a 0 RAA at 2B, LF and SS. That is exactly average. He is -3 RAA in CF. That -3 all came in his rookie season when he had not played CF in the minors. In his second season he was at 0. Castro over his career is essentially the same. He is -1 at the three outfield positions, -4 at SS, +1 at 3B and +3 at 2B. They both have played several positions at a near average RAA.

These are both valuable and inexpensive players. Combined with Martin they give the Twins depth where they should consider trading Polanco and Farmer. Those dollars can be used for a starting pitcher.

I would hold onto Gordon.