Twins Trade Jorge Lopez to Marlins for Dylan Floro

[Mortimerkenny21]

In all seriousness, best of luck to J. Lopez and family. But now we can simplify things and not have worry about which Lopez is pitching. Just a P.Lo now and no J.Lo. Keep it simple. A positive for all parties!

[hitterscount]

7 hours ago, DJL44 said:

A small upgrade for this year at very little cost. Good move.

Other than the players they gave up for Lopez…one of them an all star less than a year later. Between the Lopez and Mahle trades , extending Rocco and the signing and refusing to DFA’ing Gallo the FO Iis pretty much a joke IMO

[gunnarthor]

If nothing else, I hope his son is ok. Good luck to him.

[MTV]

Floro Makes for a good compliment in this bullpen, I still think adding another arm would be suitable, but he’s a fairly reliable 7th/8th inning guy and could setup Duran. Really wish we could’ve traded Moran+a low Prospect for A.J. Puk, THEN this bullpen would’ve really been something to fear. Lopez+Moran+(let’s say, Ronny Henriquez) for Puk and Floro would’ve been excellent.

[twinstalker]

13 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Huh. If the front office traded Lopez so he could be closer to his ailing son, that's pretty great of them.

But woof, last year's Baltimore trade was a disaster.

Can't help but comment on both sentences:

1.  Do you think they could have gotten more somewhere else, or do you think they should have kept Lopez?  This has nothing to do with his son unless it's coincidence.

2.  The trade with Balitimore is nothing more than a blip compared to the one with the Reds.  Not to mention the process seemed good on the Lopez trade.  The Twins apparently have nobody looking into the guys they're getting in return, but other than that process flaw (there's your catastrophe), the Twins seemed to make a reasonable deal there.  With the Reds it was horrible from the moment it was suggested, and people who simply said something like "the Twins only gave up their 7th and 12th best prospects for a starter" have no idea what they're talking about on either side.  Speer and CES may not have been updated, but it was quite clear they were top five guys at the deadline and traded for an injured guy who's background even when healthy was questionable.  Just about the dumbest thing I've seen a team do, and on the heels of the Gobert trade to boot.

[Doctor Wu]

My first thought was total surprise: I didn't see a trade like this coming at all. Second thought: Lopez will be a LOT more comfortable in Miami and turn back into an All-Star caliber player again. And of course it will go down as yet another trade where the Twins get fleeced. But actually, as others have noted, this could indeed end up being one of those win-win trades. I know next to nothing about Floro, but he seems like a solid addition to the pen. I certainly am pulling for Lopez and his family too. I hope he thrives in Miami. 

[old nurse]

OK, back of the bullpen is set with Pagan and Floro. Now they need a couple of 8th inning guys. 

[DJL44]

8 hours ago, hitterscount said:

Other than the players they gave up for Lopez…one of them an all star less than a year later.

Look up "sunk cost". The players they traded last season have nothing to do with this trade.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, Doctor Wu said:

Second thought: Lopez will be a LOT more comfortable in Miami and turn back into an All-Star caliber player again. And of course it will go down as yet another trade where the Twins get fleeced.

Even if that happens this is still a good trade. I don't see Lopez pitching productively for this team ever and I don't see them offering him a contract this offseason. Lopez was a bad fit, he wasn't going to do well as a Twin. Hopefully Floro is a better fit.

[Puckett34]

Small(ish) upgrade and if this is a move just as much as it is for Lopez to be closer to his child, all the more better.

[Five minute major]

Can't forget about the trade from last year.   Another brutal one by this FO.  Several here predicted that as well.   I personally didn't bash it like the Mahle trade but can see why those who did.   I don't understand how anybody supports this FO. 

 

[wabene]

3 hours ago, twinstalker said:

who's background even when healthy was questionable

This is simply untrue. He wasn't a workhorse. He wasn't an all-star. He was an established above average major league starter who's home ballpark was very hitter friendly. 

[madtowntwin]

Addition to the bullpen by trade for now (right hander) - Addition via return to health hopefully forthcoming (left and right hander). In the meantime - All the best to Mr. Lopez and his health and that of his family's. Win Twins. 

[saviking]

If anyone is looking for a big splash move to improve the team this trade is just a distraction. 

[Mike Sixel]

People only commenting on this from a baseball perspective make me sad....this is a class move. 

[jmlease1]

I realize the Lopez deal and the Mahle deal were made at the same trade deadline last season, but they really have nothing to do with each other. Maybe leave the Mahle trade out of this?

The Lopez deal didn't work, but a lot of it seems to be for reasons unrelated to talent. Dude is going through something you don't wish on anyone, and while some people can leave it aside when they go to work or even find solace in being able to focus on something else...Lopez doesn't seem to be that guy. That's how it goes, and there's no way to know it until you live it. (and it's not like Povich is looking great, and cano stunk last year before figuring it out at...28?)

There seems to be some good humanity behind this deal as well as some good baseball reasons in it. Sounds like both pitchers needed a new environment, and this deal could end up being a win for everyone. That's nice.

Floro should slot in nicely in the bullpen to pitch in the 6th and 7th innings with Pagan (who has been reasonable this year) and if Stewart and Thielbar can get back healthy to where they were...suddenly the bullpen doesn't look bad at all.

[twinsfan02]

16 hours ago, TNtwins85 said:

It sucks that those 2 prospects are doing good in light of what happened to Mahle but who were the twins supposed to get? Who were they supposed to trade? What prospects would everyone here have traded? SP’s are expensive and if they would have done nothing everyone here would have been saying the opposite. “Why didn’t they get a SP?” Yeah they lost the trade. Lots of teams lose trades. This dead horse isn’t rideable any longer. Can we put the stick down yet?

They should have traded for Castillo, not Mahle.

[twinsfan02]

1 hour ago, wabene said:

This is simply untrue. He wasn't a workhorse. He wasn't an all-star. He was an established above average major league starter who's home ballpark was very hitter friendly. 

His career ERA is above 4.00 he is not above average.

[Mike Sixel]

5 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

His career ERA is above 4.00 he is not above average.

You might want to check the MLB leaderboards for ERA....

[Mike Sixel]

9 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

They should have traded for Castillo, not Mahle.

Lewis, Lee and who for Castillo? Because that would have been the minimum....

[HokieRif]

This move doesn't make us buyers or sellers.  I would like to know the Miami side of this trade - why were they OK with shipping Floro and acquiring Lopez.  Regardless, what I'm excited about is that Floro doesn't seem to be prone to giving up HRs - he's allowed 2 all season in almost 40 innings of work.  Given how the last few games have gone with our bullpen I feel that this is a significant concern that has just been addressed.

[twinsfan02]

7 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Lewis, Lee and who for Castillo? Because that would have been the minimum....

Steer, CES, SWR (who was having a pretty good year), and Martin

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

Steer, CES, SWR (who was having a pretty good year), and Martin

Not even close to what Seattle gave up. Not close. (you have to look at the rankings last year, not what they are doing now)

[twinsfan02]

3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Not even close to what Seattle gave up. Not close. (you have to look at the rankings last year, not what they are doing now)

the only good player they gave up was marte

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, twinsfan02 said:

the only good player they gave up was marte

The top two guys were in the top 50 prospect lists....with Marte in the top 15 in all of baseball. 

[Cap'n Piranha]

19 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

You might want to check the MLB leaderboards for ERA....

I mean, he's not wrong.  Mahle's career ERA is 4.30, right in line with his career 4.28 FIP.  His FIP this year is 4.22, suggesting the 3.16 ERA he posted is more a function of SSS (only 25.2 IP).  I'm willing to believe with consistent health he could be better than that, but he's only exceeded 130 IP once in his career, so giving up 2 (more-or-less) MLB ready bats for a player likely to struggle with injuries (pitchers don't usually put shoulder problems behind them as they hit their late 20s) was a predictably bad move at the time, and has only gotten worse as time has gone on.

[jmlease1]

4 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

the only good player they gave up was marte

what difference does it make in the context of Jorge Lopez, though? For him we gave up Povich (who was in A-ball with control issues...and is now in AA with control issues), Cano (who was awful last year for the O's in AAA and MLB; he's been great this season after making a massive change to how he pitches and is 29), and Rojas (who has only thrown 15 innings in rookie ball).

Right now Povich is going to need some serious work to be an MLB pitcher, because while he hunts Ks, he walks too many guys, is too hittable, and can't get through enough innings. Cano is the star of that trade, but sometimes players need to change teams before they're willing to make a major change in how they play. the trade didn't work out, mostly because Lopez struggled to while he was here...and a lot of that may have been because of his personal situation. But we didn't get destroyed, and anyone who walks in and says they knew Cano was going to do this at the time of the deal is flat-out lying. there's liuterally nothing in his career that suggests this is who he could be, because he had to make a radical change to get there, after nearly flunking out with a second organization.

I like the trade we did here because we get a pitcher that can be used now and we were able to move on from a guy whom we simply couldn't trust in any kind of leverage situation. one of my biggest concerns about this FO isn't about the trades they make or who they sign, it's whether or not they stick with a guy too long and get trapped in the sunk cost fallacy. (they ain't alone on this one in MLB, but it's still an issue) I'm glad they didn't keep trying to "fix" Jorge Lopez, and in this deal they got someone who they should be able to use now, and found a place for a player who seems like a good guy that will help him out in life. I approve of both the humanity of this action and the baseball move.

[LA Vikes Fan]

23 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

Steer, CES, SWR (who was having a pretty good year), and Martin

That's a deal I think many of us would have made. Unfortunately, it would not have been enough to get Castillo. Seattle gave up a better return. They gave Cincy 3 of their top 5 prospects from a more highly rated system. From us that's a Lewis or Lee, Wallner, Winder, and Festa or Raya type package. 

[wabene]

45 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

His career ERA is above 4.00 he is not above average.

 

40 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

You might want to check the MLB leaderboards for ERA....

A career ERA+ of 105 which is 5% above average. In 2020 and 2021 he was 37% and 25% above average. That is what the Twins were looking at I'm sure. I didn't say I would've traded for him, I just correctly pointed out that twinsfan's statement was incorrect. 

Edit I misread Mike's comment, so I shouldn't have quoted him. 

[wabene]

53 minutes ago, twinsfan02 said:

They should have traded for Castillo, not Mahle.

Ah **** I should've gotten a Lamborghini instead of my Honda