Rumor: Top 50 Trade Candidates - Who Interests You?

[JD-TWINS]

16 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Is there any doubt Sonny Gray would be #1 on that list? 

I’m more interested in Bellinger as a free agent target this winter than a rental trade target. 

Why not trade for him this year as a potential enticement to sign going forward if it’s a mutually positive experience in ‘23?

I live in Cincinnati and see how crowded their line-up is with young talent. They need pitching. My trade target is for a left-handed hitting CF. Friedel fits the bill for Twins to play everyday against RH starters.

Bellinger or Friedel are both lofty targets but they have nice fits for our needs…….gotta give up pitching in either trade…..probably 2-3 young guys in Friedel’s case.

Hand or Robertson would be a major shot in the arm for our Pen!!

Any one of these 4 guys would be a big deal!

I don’t see the need for a RH bat!

Play-off Line-up v. lefties:

Solano - 1B

Kirilloff - RF

CC - SS

Farmer - 2B

Lewis - 3B

Jeffers - C

Castro - LF

Taylor - CF

Buxton - DH

Seems solid to me!!

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

45 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I think the Mets are a good fit. They have RH batting outfielders (Pham and Canha) and relievers (Robertson and Raley). They would probably take Gallo in return to make the money work.

I’ll be pissed if this front office acquires Pham. Hard pass on that guy.

[farmerguychris]

15 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't tend to like players who've only had a half of a bounce back season, I think it's just as likely they revert back to a pumpkin when they uproot and change teams. Most of the offensive players are out for me, because that's how I see most.

However, Cody Bellinger's K% has somehow dropped 9% this year. I don't know how that happened, but it's back to his ROY/MVP era levels. If that's legit, I'd be interested. Possibly significantly interested.

Mark Canha is about as boring as it gets, but he's a right handed outfielder and does draw a ton of walks, so I could see the value there as well.

Justin Turner also gets on base at a high level, and he does have that name-brand cache that often elevates clubs intangibly. I don't like to rate guys based on "intangibles" but if the rest of the club buys in, that can be pretty valuable. I don't really think Boston's selling though unless the wheels completely fall off. They're only two games back.

I don't believe the Twins will trade off Gray or Maeda, BUT, depending on which one they moved, doing so in conjunction with trading FOR Jordan Montgomery would either improve the rotation or mitigate the loss. The fact that he's kept his production across two teams and two leagues makes him a guy that I'd like much more than most.

Getting a reliver is always a good idea, but I'll still never trust any single one of them.

Agreed about Bellinger.  We're only one injury away from having a non-CF starting in that role everyday.  On an expiring contract I'd be open to tossing them an offer on him. Don't see a benefit of trading any of our top 20 prospects for him - hoping the cubs just want a salary dump perhaps?

[Brock Beauchamp]

37 minutes ago, farmerguychris said:

Agreed about Bellinger.  We're only one injury away from having a non-CF starting in that role everyday.  On an expiring contract I'd be open to tossing them an offer on him. Don't see a benefit of trading any of our top 20 prospects for him - hoping the cubs just want a salary dump perhaps?

The Cubs don’t want a salary dump. It’s likely they extend the QO to Bellinger this off-season so he won’t come cheaply. 

[Mike Sixel]

53 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I’ll be pissed if this front office acquires Pham. Hard pass on that guy.

Why are the Mets trading veterans for veterans in this scenario? 

I really don't get the logic of some of the proposals here at all....

[DJL44]

56 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I’ll be pissed if this front office acquires Pham. Hard pass on that guy.

Okay, but adding Canha, Robertson and Raley could help. Send out Gallo, Ronny Henriquez, and an A-ball pitcher like Lewis, Culpepper, Nowlin or Hidalgo

[mnfireman]

This front office doesn't have track record of DFAing players owed substantial $$$, so you can pretty much count on them not DFAing Gallo, Kepler, Polanco or Pagan. If any of these players can get/stay hot, they might be viable trade chips, but they do not fit the mold of young prospects to build around. Any team looking to dump salary is not going to trade for them either. 

The team is full of infield prospects, but which ones are available to trade? And if the prospects have success with the new team and the player brought in struggles with the Twins... well we know how TD handles that!!

Having said all that, Hader, Candelario and Gomes kind of intrigue me, but the best trades might be returning players from the IL and struggling players regressing to normal. 

 

[DFlow]

If this team is actually going to go for it ( a big if) then you have to start in the bullpen. I like Joe Kelly and Middleton from the Sox as rentals. They would be cheap and have brilliant statcast profiles while playing with a horrific defense. A bullpen hierarchy of Duran, Jax, Stewart, Theilbar, Kelly, Middleton, Moran, and Pagan would be money.

The offensive side needs a RH bat in the middle of the lineup. I expect to see the bats come back to life in our lineup (they can really only get better) and to see a Pham type acquisition. I don’t see it as moving the needle. The only batter who probably moved the needle is Goldschmidt. That would move Kiriloff to LF which would dramatically improve two positions.

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Okay, but adding Canha, Robertson and Raley could help. Send out Gallo, Ronny Henriquez, and an A-ball pitcher like Lewis, Culpepper, Nowlin or Hidalgo

Why is a buyer buying Gallo?

[DJL44]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Why is a buyer buying Gallo?

That trade has the Mets sending out 3 players making $26M. The Mets are paying the penalty so they actually cost them at least $9M more than that. Gallo doesn't have to end up with the Mets but he needs to go somewhere else if the Twins are adding that much payroll.

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

That trade has the Mets sending out 3 players making $26M. The Mets are paying the penalty so they actually cost them at least $9M more than that. Gallo doesn't have to end up with the Mets but he needs to go somewhere else if the Twins are adding that much payroll.

I think it is clear Cohen doesn't care about money......

[Brock Beauchamp]

45 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Okay, but adding Canha, Robertson and Raley could help. Send out Gallo, Ronny Henriquez, and an A-ball pitcher like Lewis, Culpepper, Nowlin or Hidalgo

Oh yeah, the Mets might be a good trade partner, I simply have no use for Tommy Pham.

[SwainZag]

9 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Oh yeah, the Mets might be a good trade partner, I simply have no use for Tommy Pham.

Because of off the field stuff? Outside of the Joc Pederson fantasy football tiff, I don't know much about him in that sense.

He would seemingly be the exact type of player the Twins could use.  Right handed, OF bat, expiring contract and is actually playing quite well this year.  His OPS+ is higher than anyone on the Twins roster right now and his OPS of .928 against lefties would be very welcomed.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

Because of off the field stuff? Outside of the Joc Pederson fantasy football tiff, I don't know much about him in that sense.

He would seemingly be the exact type of player the Twins could use.  Right handed, OF bat, expiring contract and is actually playing quite well this year.  His OPS+ is higher than anyone on the Twins roster right now and his OPS of .928 against lefties would be very welcomed.

Yeah, personal stuff. IIRC, he also got into a bar fight a few years ago. There may be other stuff, too. I've heard his name mentioned many times over the years, rarely with good news attached.

[Fire Dan Gladden]

I am trying to understand this...

The Twins are in playoff contention.  You can argue about how strong the team is all you want, but THEY ARE IN PLAYOFF CONTENTION!!!!!!!

On what planet would they be considering moving Sonny Grey, the teams best SP and among the top SP in baseball this year?  Not only would you be ruining their chances in the playoffs (where SP always dominates), but you would be sending an insanely bad message to the team.

For any of you that truly think the Twins should trade Grey right now???  We seriously have to question which team you are rooting for.

[Fire Dan Gladden]

For the right price (ie not overpaying), I think they should consider:

#9 - Robertson.  Quality arm, veteran with playoff experience
#10 - Pham.  Disciplined hitter that could help bring some stability to the order and the OF
#25 - Turner.  Reliable 3B to help offset the Lewis/Miranda question marks
#29 - Hicks.  Fits the flamethrower RP mold, would want him to be more than a rental.

[jorgenswest]

If they can win the next two series (or get to 4 in a row by deadline), I would support buying. I do so with the following assumptions.

• trading for anyone of value will need to be an overpay to win the deal.
• they will need to trade off prospect assets or less likely budget assets to a team wanting to cut salary

On the pitching side everyone can use bullpen help. Those can be risky pick ups.

I don’t think they can add anyone better than Polanco to the infield. I wonder if there is any thought to giving Polanco time at 3B during rehab or letting Julien take some balls there. Would his poor defense cost more runs at 3B? With Wallner, Larnach, Celestino and my irrational hope of Buxton by playoffs should they part with assets to trade for an outfielder? I think the two catchers are doing a great job with the staff. I wouldn’t want to replace either.

A trade for Hader might take something like Schobel and the competitive balance pick.  Does that pick need to be traded prior to its use or can the player taken be traded at the deadline? I think they need to trade it prior.

 

[DJL44]

5 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

I don’t see the need for a RH bat!

Castro - LF

I do

[Mike Sixel]

15 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

If they can win the next two series (or get to 4 in a row by deadline), I would support buying. I do so with the following assumptions.

• trading for anyone of value will need to be an overpay to win the deal.
• they will need to trade off prospect assets or less likely budget assets to a team wanting to cut salary

On the pitching side everyone can use bullpen help. Those can be risky pick ups.

I don’t think they can add anyone better than Polanco to the infield. I wonder if there is any thought to giving Polanco time at 3B during rehab or letting Julien take some balls there. Would his poor defense cost more runs at 3B? With Wallner, Larnach, Celestino and my irrational hope of Buxton by playoffs should they part with assets to trade for an outfielder? I think the two catchers are doing a great job with the staff. I wouldn’t want to replace either.

A trade for Hader might take something like Schobel and the competitive balance pick.  Does that pick need to be traded prior to its use or can the player taken be traded at the deadline? I think they need to trade it prior.

 

Zero chance I trade Scobel for Hader, let alone him and another guy. 

[terrydactyls]

IMHO, the Twins aren't nearly ready to compete with the big boys.  I think they should make everyone available for trade as long as the return as the return is significant.

[AgingGracelessly]

The '87 Twins won the World Series and had a regular season record of 83-79.  Anyone that makes the playoffs has a chance if they get hot.  If you've got a legit chance to win the division, you don't sell off assets -- you fortify.  I would absolutely buy (without overpaying / mortgaging the future.)  Adding a bat (and glove) like Bellinger feels like an upgrade over Michael A. Taylor, and provides insurance against a Taylor injury.  Adding another impact bullpen arm also feels like a strong addition.  Make those moves, hope the slumbering bats awaken, and enjoy the ride.

[terrydactyls]

Just now, AgingGracelessly said:

The '87 Twins won the World Series and had a regular season record of 83-79.  Anyone that makes the playoffs has a chance if they get hot.  If you've got a legit chance to win the division, you don't sell off assets -- you fortify.  I would absolutely buy (without overpaying / mortgaging the future.)  Adding a bat (and glove) like Bellinger feels like an upgrade over Michael A. Taylor, and provides insurance against a Taylor injury.  Adding another impact bullpen arm also feels like a strong addition.  Make those moves, hope the slumbering bats awaken, and enjoy the ride.

If you also include Philadelphia's run last year, that makes twice in 35 years.  That's a 5% success rate.  I would not mortgage the Twins future given those odds.

[Mike Sixel]

14 minutes ago, AgingGracelessly said:

The '87 Twins won the World Series and had a regular season record of 83-79.  Anyone that makes the playoffs has a chance if they get hot.  If you've got a legit chance to win the division, you don't sell off assets -- you fortify.  I would absolutely buy (without overpaying / mortgaging the future.)  Adding a bat (and glove) like Bellinger feels like an upgrade over Michael A. Taylor, and provides insurance against a Taylor injury.  Adding another impact bullpen arm also feels like a strong addition.  Make those moves, hope the slumbering bats awaken, and enjoy the ride.

The Twins gave up middling prospects last year, and much of the fan base here still hasn't forgiven them.... What would you give up?

[nicksaviking]

5 hours ago, SwainZag said:

Because of off the field stuff? Outside of the Joc Pederson fantasy football tiff, I don't know much about him in that sense.

He would seemingly be the exact type of player the Twins could use.  Right handed, OF bat, expiring contract and is actually playing quite well this year.  His OPS+ is higher than anyone on the Twins roster right now and his OPS of .928 against lefties would be very welcomed.

I don't presume to think a half year of production is indicative of the kind of player you'll get. 

[Fire Dan Gladden]

1 hour ago, AgingGracelessly said:

The '87 Twins won the World Series and had a regular season record of 83-79.  Anyone that makes the playoffs has a chance if they get hot.  If you've got a legit chance to win the division, you don't sell off assets -- you fortify.  I would absolutely buy (without overpaying / mortgaging the future.)  Adding a bat (and glove) like Bellinger feels like an upgrade over Michael A. Taylor, and provides insurance against a Taylor injury.  Adding another impact bullpen arm also feels like a strong addition.  Make those moves, hope the slumbering bats awaken, and enjoy the ride.

Testify!

[TopGunn#22]

All I can see on Pham is that he was stabbed in the lower back outside of a strip club and he tussled with Joc Peterson about Fantasy Football.  He's 35 years old this season and in 200 AB's is hitting .280 with an OPS of .850.  He's stolen 10 bases in 11 tries.  Sounds a LOT like Shannon Stewart (minus the stab in the back).  He's a RH hitting LF.  His BBTV is .80.  The Twins could get him for a Keoni Cavaco .90 type of value.  No-brainer.  If the Mets sell, buy him.

Bellinger's offense may be real, it may be a mirage.  He could start walking more and hitting with more power (like he used to) or not.  Still, a Gold Glove LH hitting CF hitting .290 wouldn't be a bad guy to have the rest of the season if Buxton is a DH only.  He could platoon with Taylor.  Bellinger's value is only 1.1 but he's being paid $16 million.  Kepler's value is 1.2 and he's being paid somewhere between $10-$12 million.  I swap him for Kepler and eat the salary the rest of the season.  Kepler is actually a slight overpay and saves the Cubs some money.  

Hader would be dynamite at the back end with Duran.  Imagine what our "Power Pen" would look like if Jorge Lopez got back in the groove, Stewart comes back throwing 98 mph, Jax, Theilbar and Moran perform up to expectations.  Hader's BBTV is 8.3. and he's 29 years old.  Winder's value is 5.8 (26 years old) Gallo's is 2.7 (or substitute Headrick at 2.4) and you've got a fair deal.  The Twins take on Hader's salary.  

We have the best starting staff in the A.L.  A couple of bold moves to really move the needle.  

[Mike Sixel]

15 minutes ago, TopGunn#22 said:

All I can see on Pham is that he was stabbed in the lower back outside of a strip club and he tussled with Joc Peterson about Fantasy Football.  He's 35 years old this season and in 200 AB's is hitting .280 with an OPS of .850.  He's stolen 10 bases in 11 tries.  Sounds a LOT like Shannon Stewart (minus the stab in the back).  He's a RH hitting LF.  His BBTV is .80.  The Twins could get him for a Keoni Cavaco .90 type of value.  No-brainer.  If the Mets sell, buy him.

Bellinger's offense may be real, it may be a mirage.  He could start walking more and hitting with more power (like he used to) or not.  Still, a Gold Glove LH hitting CF hitting .290 wouldn't be a bad guy to have the rest of the season if Buxton is a DH only.  He could platoon with Taylor.  Bellinger's value is only 1.1 but he's being paid $16 million.  Kepler's value is 1.2 and he's being paid somewhere between $10-$12 million.  I swap him for Kepler and eat the salary the rest of the season.  Kepler is actually a slight overpay and saves the Cubs some money.  

Hader would be dynamite at the back end with Duran.  Imagine what our "Power Pen" would look like if Jorge Lopez got back in the groove, Stewart comes back throwing 98 mph, Jax, Theilbar and Moran perform up to expectations.  Hader's BBTV is 8.3. and he's 29 years old.  Winder's value is 5.8 (26 years old) Gallo's is 2.7 (or substitute Headrick at 2.4) and you've got a fair deal.  The Twins take on Hader's salary.  

We have the best starting staff in the A.L.  A couple of bold moves to really move the needle.  

You'd trade 6 years of Winder and 6 years of Headrick for half a year of Hader? No way they are taking Gallo back if they are selling....

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 hours ago, terrydactyls said:

I sure don't.  That's why I don't use that information to prove my point.  Sometimes I have taken time to do research to try to find the source data so I can include it in my comments.  But most of the time I am too lazy to do the work so I leave it out.

Because you seem averse to using google yourself;

https://amp.tmz.com/2021/10/12/tommy-pham-stabbing-photo-gruesome-injury-strip-club-san-diego-padres-mlb/

[jkcarew]

21 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

None of this makes a lick of sense to me.

The Twins have allowed the fewest runs in baseball. If that's not a team you try to build out for a playoff run, what is?

And the last thing this team needs (see sentence above) is Blake Snell.

Also, Lewis has stated he does not want to play center field.

So…this is the year? Nothing about the offense or the losing record against everyone not the Royals, or the failing and about-to-be-past-their-prime core?

Letting Gray walk makes sense to you?

And if you DO think this is the year…a left-handed swing-man to maybe spot start for a specific playoff scenario is exactly something this club could use. Playoffs don’t care about regular season averages. They care about today’s game.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

So…this is the year?

Letting Gray walk makes sense to you?

And if you DO think this is the year…a left-handed starter to spot for certain playoff matchups is exactly something this club could use. Playoffs don’t care about regular season averages. They care about today’s game.

Sometimes guys walk, it’s not the end of the world. Get to the postseason and give yourself a chance to win, that’s more useful than trying to eke out a bit of trade value from two months of Sonny Gray.

I don’t care which hand a starter throws with, I care how good they are. And Snell is a good pitcher but I have no more faith in him than the top three Twins starters.