Braves 3, Twins 0: The Bats Disappear Once Again, Waste a Solid Maeda Start

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Kenta was solid again today. So that's fun.

Truth! Great trade chip, along with Gray. I'm interested in the SS from Arizona (who could be a SS or CF) who is one of their top prospects....

[TwinsDr2021]

6 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

Sending AK down while keeping Kepler and Gallo on the roster would be ridiculous. Neither provide anything outside of some decent defense on Gallo's part, but it's not worth the complete black hole in the line-up.

You can't just IL Buxton because you're mad at him. He's not hurt. He doesn't need to play every day if he's not hitting.

I don't care whether Larnach or Miranda "earned" a call-up. At least they're young and might improve. Gallo and Kepler are what they are. And Miranda's been hitting well lately.

I guess you missed where I said cut Kepler and send Gallo to the bench. I am not mad at Buxton, he is just terrible, and if the Twins want to DL they can, simply by saying he needs to be back in CF and if he can't he needs to go on the DL.

IMO bringing Larnach and Miranda don't do what I want to accomplish and that is shake things up, get players worried about their job and by passing those two for guys in AA does that IMO.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

16 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Go back and look at what people said early last year about CC and Buxton, but sure, a few didn't....whatever. 

I am begging you to go back and read what I was saying about Correa 🙂

granted, it might not have been all on this forum 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

I am begging you to go back and read what I was saying about Correa 🙂

granted, it might not have been all on this forum 

100% there were some that did not want him here for various reasons. I'll change "everyone" to "nearly everyone on this board." And I stand by that. 

People here say they are great leaders and having fun when they are winning, and that there are no leaders and they just aren't having fun when they are losing. I'd argue that the mood is an outcome, more than an input....but I could be wrong. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

100% there were some that did not want him here for various reasons. I'll change "everyone" to "nearly everyone on this board." And I stand by that. 

People here say they are great leaders and having fun when they are winning, and that there are no leaders and they just aren't having fun when they are losing. I'd argue that the mood is an outcome, more than an input....but I could be wrong. 

I think there was more resistance to Correa than was let on. People had their reasons, like his ankle, or cheating history or Dior comments, but mostly I thought he was just a really poor fit going forward for reasons we have discussed. 

[Aggies7]

13 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

I am begging you to go back and read what I was saying about Correa 🙂

granted, it might not have been all on this forum 

It’s so Minnesota sports that two other teams pretty much had correa and punted….and we swooped in and took him after his jilted us. Oh well only half a decade left 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

I think there was more resistance to Correa than was let on. People had their reasons, like his ankle, or cheating history or Dior comments, but mostly I thought he was just a really poor fit going forward for reasons we have discussed. 

Were the Dior comments before the first signing (as I 'm pretty sure we are talking about last year before the Dior comments)?

[Beast]

It’s time to start firing people.  This has gone on long enough.  The team has stunk and underachieved since 2019.  I’m tired of the excuses of small sample sizes, the underlying numbers say this or that, etc.  It’s time to accept that this team sucks, and it has for a long time now.  2019 might as well be a century ago.

I don’t even have it in me to be upset with the FO and coaching staff anymore.  This ownership group are a bunch of jellyfish.  Hold somebody accountable, for crying out loud.

Not only ownership, but the media.  Nobody, from the players to coaches to the manager to the FO ever has to answer a tough question from the media.  It’s absolutely embarrassing.  Even here, all you see is articles about how Pagan is actually a great pitcher, how their drafts and trades aren’t as abysmal as they look, how Buxton DHing is genius…..but they just keep dropping baseball games like the bad news bears.  They stink.  They’re never winning a damn thing.  Just say it.  THEY STINK.  

[USAFChief]

22 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

People here say they are great leaders and having fun when they are winning, and that there are no leaders and they just aren't having fun when they are losing. I'd argue that the mood is an outcome, more than an input....but I could be wrong. 

I was talking about body language and energy, Mike.

You can scoff at that if you wish.

Rocco seems to agree with me, but I'd ask Rocco to start by looking on the mirror. You in charge or not, Rocco?

https://sports.yahoo.com/twins-manager-baldelli-closes-clubhouse-210133297.html?src=rss

[Nashvilletwin]

52 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

I was at 2 of these 3 games. Never seen worse body language or energy from a team, and I've been to a fair number of big-league games.

I do not understand how nobody has lost their job yet.

The spark plug of this team hits lead off for the Marlins…..

[Aggies7]

10 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

The spark plug of this team hits lead off for the Marlins…..

Meh, I’d love to have him here now. But we still stunk when he was here winning a batting title last season.

Too many prospects didn’t pan out, or barely panned out. Throw in the usual bad signings and trades and this is what you get. It’s been years in the making. 2019 was the best shot and we did nothing with it. Now we’re just treading water in a terrible division. 

 

[Beast]

26 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

It’s so Minnesota sports that two other teams pretty much had correa and punted….and we swooped in and took him after his jilted us. Oh well only half a decade left 

Just wait until they do a salary dump and trade him for peanuts to the someone like the Yankees (better yet, the Mets or Giants).  Retain some salary just to shed a portion of it, putting the roster into a black hole for multiple years (also causing ownership to never sign off in a big contract again)….then he turns back into the best shortstop in the game, wins multiple rings, and postseason MVP awards.

Why don’t people even consider the possibility that it’s not the player?  Everyone is defaulting to, “I didn’t even want him in the first place,”. Not realizing that it’s something toxic here.  Is it just coincidence that all of these guys that we traded are thriving, and all the ones who we kept stink?

Nobody is performing, except Lewis, and there’s not a lack of talent.  But, give it some time for the rot to set in on Lewis.  He’s still bright eyed because he has short time with the big club.  They’ll break his will in due time.
 

[LastOnePicked]

1 hour ago, Aggies7 said:

I never call for another man’s job but cmon now. Results based business here, innit?

I value this ethos, but mostly for everyday working folks. MLB managerial and coaching slots should be for the best of the best of the best. Yes, results are the ultimate performance evaluation in this line of work. Or so you'd think.

[Major League Ready]

43 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Truth! Great trade chip, along with Gray. I'm interested in the SS from Arizona (who could be a SS or CF) who is one of their top prospects....

I have been saying Kenta was a trade chip since last off-season and there is a decent chance they move him.  I am with you on Gray if the return is right but I don't think they will acknowledge this is not a contender and move him.  There is the potential between Gray and Maeda to change our future.  Sure, we can get a comp pick for Gray but I would much rather have a player that looks good at AA.

[Aggies7]

Just now, Major League Ready said:

I have been saying Kenta was a trade chip since last off-season and there is a decent chance they move him.  I am with you on Gray if the return is right but I don't think they will acknowledge this is not a contender and move him.  There is the potential between Gray and Maeda to change our future.  Sure, we can get a comp pick for Gray but I would much rather have a player that looks good at AA.

They would be bananas to hold onto gray. Teams will overpay for an SP at the deadline 

[CRF]

The only reason that we're in...or near, first place in this division, is because there are actually two WORSE teams than us...and Detroit isn't much worse and kicked our butt when they were here. Somehow, we took the series in their park. If it wasn't for KC, we'd already be out of 1st. The amazing thing in all this...which has been said multiple times in this thread...is that no one has lost their job. Not even a token move to can Popkins, much less anyone else. There HAS to be some changes made. That goes for players too. 

[LastOnePicked]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Why don’t people even consider the possibility that it’s not the player?

Systems are more likely to change people than people are likely to change systems. You nailed it. Signs continue to point to something rotten here in terms of culture, philosophy and execution.

[Mike Sixel]

18 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

The spark plug of this team hits lead off for the Marlins…..

How many wins did they have last year with him on the team? Also, it's over. What should they do now?

[Aggies7]

3 minutes ago, LastOnePicked said:

Systems are more likely to change people than people are likely to change systems. You nailed it. Signs continue to point to something rotten here in terms of culture, philosophy and execution.

Eh, maybe for a system player who was drafted and developed. But for someone like correa, I don’t buy that as the reason for his lack of offense.

[purplesoldier4u]

I feel bad for AK. He came up up looking like he was really squaring up the ball and now he looks like most of the remaining hitters. I'm not a big RISP guy, but did I read we were 0-23 in the series? Seriously?

[jkcarew]

Now is the time to act to generate hope for 2024. Clear the active roster for youth. Figure out what you have with the youngsters. SELL at the deadline.

I personally don’t think Rocco can manage…but this is mainly the FO’s fault. This figured to be a challenged lineup…counting on way too many being better than they’ve been in recent past…and young starters being immediately good.

Will they have the balls to blow it up NOW? (probably not). If they’re buyers at the deadline, I’ll honestly be as upset with the club as I’ve ever been.

[Mike Sixel]

3 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

Now is the time to act to generate hope for 2024. Clear the active roster for youth. Figure out what you have with the youngsters. SELL at the deadline.

I personally don’t think Rocco can manage…but this is mainly the FO’s fault. This figured to be a challenged lineup…counting on way too many being better than they’ve been in recent past…and young starters being immediately good.

Will they have the balls to blow it up NOW? (probably not). If they’re buyers at the deadline, I’ll honestly be as upset with the club as I’ve ever been.

Agreed on all counts.

[LastOnePicked]

23 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

You in charge or not, Rocco?

Not. Reading his postgame rambling, it's clear he doesn't even have a clue about what to do next. It's almost as though he doesn't even realize he's the manager. Whoever could be responsible for a team "doing the same stuff over and over again" - possibly a manager who perpetually praises the prescribed process over actual results? Nah.

And the word "maybe" in the fourth sentence borders on hilarity. Reads like a Randball's Stu article. Good gracious, this team is in trouble. 

“This is a challenge. This is an ultimatum for our team. We’re here. These guys work their freakin’ (tails) off every day, but maybe we’ve got to work our (tails) off in a different way and have a different approach and a different mindset when we step out on the field 'cause really what we’re doing right now is frustrating because that’s madness going out there and doing the same stuff over and over and over again when we have guys that have shown either for periods of time or for their whole careers to be productive players to be falling flat as a group right now."

[Aggies7]

3 minutes ago, LastOnePicked said:

Not. Reading his postgame rambling, it's clear he doesn't even have a clue about what to do next. It's almost as though he doesn't even realize he's the manager. Whoever could be responsible for a team "doing the same stuff over and over again" - possibly a manager who perpetually praises the prescribed process over actual results? Nah.

And the word "maybe" in the fourth sentence borders on hilarity. Reads like a Randball's Stu article. Good gracious, this team is in trouble. 

“This is a challenge. This is an ultimatum for our team. We’re here. These guys work their freakin’ (tails) off every day, but maybe we’ve got to work our (tails) off in a different way and have a different approach and a different mindset when we step out on the field 'cause really what we’re doing right now is frustrating because that’s madness going out there and doing the same stuff over and over and over again when we have guys that have shown either for periods of time or for their whole careers to be productive players to be falling flat as a group right now."

That’s some word soup lol 

[Dave Borton]

3 hours ago, Matt Braun said:

All I know is, in the off-season, the Twins need to swipe a few of Atlantas hitting coaches or coordinators; I’ve never seen a group of hitters so dynamic. 

I looked at their lineup on Tues eve. BAs and OPS. I shuddered and closed game day.

Statcast, not Dickens:

BA:
Atl, .270, 2nd
Twins .231, 25th

OPS:
All, .827 (first)
Twins,  .706 (21st)

 

[Mike Sixel]

Meh. It was an emotional speech after a game. I think parsing the words doesn't tell us much, other than he wants change.

[ohiotwinsfan]

The Atlanta announcers on TBS were saying that Gallo, over his last 24 games has struck out 46 times! That is an astounding number, even for Gallo. Over a 162 game season, that works out to 310 strikeouts all by himself! Now, maybe he only plays in 100 games, but that would still be 191! Good Grief. Very Charlie Brown-ish, except for the occasional home run.

[wabene]

3 hours ago, Thiéres Rabelo said:

with the Twins having the third-worst OPS against lefties in all of baseball (.666)

Something evil is afoot here

[Dave Borton]

[wabene]

And the villagers didn't rejoice