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Which route should the Twins take this year at the trade deadline?  

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  1. 1. Which route should the Twins take this year at the trade deadline?

    • Buy
      43
    • Sell
      6
    • Stand Pat
      2
    • A little bit of both
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The Twins currently stand at 38-30 (0.559) and are leading the division. However, some don't trust this Twins team as much as others. Some have said they do not want this team to go 'all in' at the deadline.

Questions for Discussion:
1. Should this team buy or sell at the deadline? If you have a side, how far to that side are you leaning and why?
2. If you think this team should buy, what should they be looking for? (SP, RP, Offense, etc) or If you think this team should sell, who should they look to unload?
3. What should the Twins' goal for the 2022 season be? Why?
4. What should the Twins' goal for 2023-beyond be? Why?

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Need a 3rd category of on the fence and need to see what happens in the next month.  

As of this moment, I would do some of both.  I would trade for at least 1 RP and try to trade Urshela, and Archer or Bundy.  Sano would get traded if possible and I would consider trading Maeda if the offer was good.  I am a Polanco fan but I would trade him and put Arraez at 2nd if the offer was great.

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There is zero reason to sell, even if you don't buy that this team is ready to win a WS.

There is NO ROOM for more prospects on the 40 man. It wouldn't be a trade of Correa for prospects A, B and C, it would be a trade of Correa AND Brent Headrick AND Alex Isola for prospects A, B and C. If you take back more prospects, the team is going to have to get rid of some, and unlike most years, they ones they'd have to get rid of look really, really good. They need to clear 40 man spots at the moment, not add to them.

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There should be 4 options

1. Buy

2. Sell

3. Stand Pat

4. Buy and Sell

Personally I still think they should buy and sell, if they can but I am unsure if that can come to fruition.  I think they will put Correa on the trade table, but they will have to be blown away.  The only other player I could see them trading is Urshela.  So what can they do to make the team better.  I would look at adding 2 relief pitchers, add Maeda and Archer to the bullpen.  Add another SP with more than 1 year of control.  Ultimately that means we would also need a SS who is a step down from Correa probably with 1 1/2 years of control to help manage that position until Lewis is back.   The Twins have begun to play the type of ball I have expected from them all year.   They are a team that has some pieces but are still a year or two from really making a dent in the post season is my assessment.  Do enough to get them in the playoffs and get their feet wet while also preparing for 2023 and 2024 when we should have more talent available to really try to push all in.  

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2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

There is zero reason to sell, even if you don't buy that this team is ready to win a WS.

There is NO ROOM for more prospects on the 40 man. It wouldn't be a trade of Correa for prospects A, B and C, it would be a trade of Correa AND Brent Headrick AND Alex Isola for prospects A, B and C. If you take back more prospects, the team is going to have to get rid of some, and unlike most years, they ones they'd have to get rid of look really, really good. They need to clear 40 man spots at the moment, not add to them.

The prospects taken wouldn't necessarily have to be added to the 40 man.   If you do a buy and sell you can sell some of the prospects that we would potentially lose or prospects higher up that are protected or will have to be protected that will open up a spot for more of those fringe 40 man spots.  I made a post showing the 40 man will not be as much of an issue as many think,  but there would be 2-3 players at risk once it is all said and done like most years.  

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8 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

The prospects taken wouldn't necessarily have to be added to the 40 man.   If you do a buy and sell you can sell some of the prospects that we would potentially lose or prospects higher up that are protected or will have to be protected that will open up a spot for more of those fringe 40 man spots.  I made a post showing the 40 man will not be as much of an issue as many think,  but there would be 2-3 players at risk once it is all said and done like most years.  

As much as I'd like to see it, there is zero chance next year's 40-man roster is made up of 35 players with 3 or fewer years of MLB experience. They will 100% put aside roster spots for vets and/or AAAA fodder that the fans want absolutely nothing to do with. There will certainly be some gag-worthy, deep-cut relief arms in there just as there are every year.

And why would the Twins trade their vets alongside prospects for other prospects? That makes no sense, why wouldn't you just keep your own prospects and play out the season with the vet?

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2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

As much as I'd like to see it, there is zero chance next year's 40-man roster is made up of 35 players with 3 or fewer years of MLB experience. They will 100% put aside roster spots for vets that the fans want absolutely nothing to do with.

And why would the Twins trade their vets alongside prospects for other prospects? That makes no sense, why wouldn't you just keep your own prospects and play out the season with the vet?

You currently have several players on the 40 man that are underperforming.  They can be taken off or retained.   Miranda/Steer likely take over for Urshela.  Sanchez will have to be resigned or someone replace.  However Godoy can be dropped and Isola can fill his spot.  You have 2-3 relievers and 2 starting positions that spots can either be given to prospects to fill for next year, give them an opportunity or sign new relief pitchers.  We have 2 SP with option contracts that we either fill internally or bring back.  

So why would a team do this maneuvering? To gain flexibility,  manage their prospects to bring the best value back to the organization.  If 1-2 top prospects could be gained from trading Correa,  you can bolster the top level of your pipeline.  You can utilize our several prospects that are showing potential but are not top prospects to bring back pieces to help this year.  Some of those middling prospects could be lost during the rule V draft so we can maximize their value now to help the team this year.  

I really have no clue which direction they are going to go in.  Lewis getting injured really changed my views on how they would treat this season.  Or they could do something that many thought was unthinkable, if Correa still really want to stay in Minnesota sign him to an extension and trade away Lewis if someone is willing to give top value for him.  There are so many different directions for this team it is hard to predict which direction they will go in.  

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I voted to buy.  They have prospect capital so should be able to get at minimum some rental relievers as they shouldn't cost much.  I agree with Nicksaviking in that they have too many guys they need to protect so if they can make their team better this year by losing a few prospects why not do it.  

The Twins are leading their division in June if they are major seller's that would just be sad at this point.  While the offense does like to sputter and the pen a bit of a weakness I still think this is a team that can be in the hunt until the end.  When you are there you have to try and get over the hump.  What happens next year is no guarantee.  Injuries can devastate potential in a hurry.  Bank on today as well as tomorrow. I think the Twins can do both.

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No doubter, BUY. We have an unique opportunity when CC fell into our hands to make and advance in the post season. Yes we have a few weaknesses, that's why we need to be aggressive buyers. We can't be wishy/ washy by standing pat or buy/ sell or worse yet like Dman said absolutely not punting.

ATL was in a lot worse position last year than us and they chose to buy. And they became WS champs. Things could easily gel for us, together with some key pieces we could also put it all together and win the WS.

This FO has never been buyers at the deadline even when we were doing very good like '19 &'20. They love to be courted to sell. I'd like this FO to step up and show us that they can be big buyer w/o wavering at the deadline. If not it'd be very sad indeed.

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36 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

So why would a team do this maneuvering? To gain flexibility,  manage their prospects to bring the best value back to the organization.  If 1-2 top prospects could be gained from trading Correa,  you can bolster the top level of your pipeline.  You can utilize our several prospects that are showing potential but are not top prospects to bring back pieces to help this year.  Some of those middling prospects could be lost during the rule V draft so we can maximize their value now to help the team this year.  

 

Help the team this year? Whilst trading Correa? Your argument is completely contradictory.

Again, the top of the prospect pipeline doesn't need to be bolstered. Adding more of these guys will leave the team open to losing the prospects already in house. And if you think the prospects you'd get back for Correa are significantly better than the prospects the team already has, than you haven't paid attention to how prospects work. It took Spencer Steer, Josh Winder and Louie Varland about a month to pass Austin Martin, Jordan Balazovic and Matt Canterino, you know, the team's elite prospects last year. 

There is just so much less value in trying to get these extra prospects than there is in showing the team you're committed to giving them the best chance to win by having star players around. Everyone would get it if they were an average team, but why would these current players want to continue to fight or even want to play in Minnesota if the organization starts shedding payroll on a 1st place team? 

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I would both buy and sell, but a lot depends on whether Correa is planning on staying a year. If he is, then I would be going to trade a couple of prospects for higher end pitching, but I would exclude Miranda, Kirilloff and Lewis. Everyone else not on the current 26 man roster is fair game and Larnach and Winder are it also fair game. If he is not, we probably need to save our prospects and should of the trade lower level guys for relief options. That means middling relief options but it doesn't make sense to me to lose high end prospects for just this season. I just don't think we're close enough to truly contending to do it for this year, but I would do something for next year if Correa is going to stay. My willingness the trade our better prospects or someone like Montas, Castillo or Mahle all depends on whether we will be true contenders next year, with the possibility of some playoff success this year, and that depends on whether Correa is sticking around. 

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I voted buy, but don't sell the whole farm.  Moving some fliers for some expiring contract bullpen help would be best.  I think Montas will require and unwise overpay.  I'd rather see the team buy low on someone like Marquez and see if a change of scenery and a winning team can right his ship and help with the playoff run.  He's also controllable through 2024.  Balazovic, Steer and Sabato/CES might get it done.

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35 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Help the team this year? Whilst trading Correa? Your argument is completely contradictory.

Again, the top of the prospect pipeline doesn't need to be bolstered. Adding more of these guys will leave the team open to losing the prospects already in house. And if you think the prospects you'd get back for Correa are significantly better than the prospects the team already has, than you haven't paid attention to how prospects work. It took Spencer Steer, Josh Winder and Louie Varland about a month to pass Austin Martin, Jordan Balazovic and Matt Canterino, you know, the team's elite prospects last year. 

There is just so much less value in trying to get these extra prospects than there is in showing the team you're committed to giving them the best chance to win by having star players around. Everyone would get it if they were an average team, but why would these current players want to continue to fight or even want to play in Minnesota if the organization starts shedding payroll on a 1st place team? 

Tampa Bay is doing well because they continually have a pipeline ready to fill any holes.  You have to continually replenish your prospects because not all of them will pan out.  

What did the Twins do prior to this season, they got rid of Garver, 3rd backup catcher, Donaldson, Rogers.  Those are all sell moves.  

Buy moves,  traded 1st round pitcher for Gray,  signed Correa.  

Not every move they make is for moving forward for this year.  I still think there could be a blockbuster deal with the Padres especially with another injury to a key player.  I could see Correa/Kepler  for Hosmer/ (Darvish, Clevinger or Snell) plus 1 top prospect.  Money could be close on that type of trade.  This really comes down to how is Tatis progressing and so far I haven't hear much.   

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33 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

Tampa Bay is doing well because they continually have a pipeline ready to fill any holes. 

 

Is that truly what Tampa Does their 4 leading pitchers by inning, is McClanahan (from their minors), Kluber, Rasmusssen, and Springs, none of them came out of the Rays minors.

They have like three offensive starters out of their minors (Kiermaier (32) Franco (21) and Walls(25))

Arozarena (Stl), Ramirez (MIA, Clev), Diaz (Clev), Margot (SD), Choi (LAA, NYY, MIL), Both of their catchers were trades.

 

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In a fantasy league things like this are simple and just for fun. In real life this is way too complex and nuanced to be categorized into just buy, sell, or stand pat. Buy what and how much of it and for how long, and at what price? Sell what and how much of it, and at what price? And as with any transaction, what is the expected or hoped-for benefit to the team? 

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Wanted: One really good, right handed reliever ( I submit Maeda may fill that need) and one really good, left handed reliever (I don't think Smeltzer will fill that need. We had one of the best lefty relievers in the game,  but ill- advisedly traded him to the Giants). These relievers need to be able to have pin point location and not walk anybody. Nobody walks but the Twins. Nobody. Duran, Jax and Pagan can be counted on. Cotton may help. The Duffman may get things figured out and be reliable again this season. With this Platinum defense up the middle (Buck and Carlos), plus Kepler and Celestino and  Urshela,  and Alex at 1B and Polanco at 2B and Arraez at DH, get pitchers  who throw the ball over the plate. Maeda could be a key. Next year he can go back to starting. 

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6 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Is that truly what Tampa Does their 4 leading pitchers by inning, is McClanahan (from their minors), Kluber, Rasmusssen, and Springs, none of them came out of the Rays minors.

They have like three offensive starters out of their minors (Kiermaier (32) Franco (21) and Walls(25))

Arozarena (Stl), Ramirez (MIA, Clev), Diaz (Clev), Margot (SD), Choi (LAA, NYY, MIL), Both of their catchers were trades.

 

@bunsen82is quite literally saying exactly you what you just decided to re phrase. they continuously stock the organization, pitching or position players, at any level. Yes

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No idea and I won't be able to rationally speculate for another month. The Twins could just as easily be 3rd in the division and 5+ GB as 5+ games up and leading the division by then.

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12 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Wanted: One really good, right handed reliever ( I submit Maeda may fill that need) and one really good, left handed reliever (I don't think Smeltzer will fill that need. We had one of the best lefty relievers in the game,  but ill- advisedly traded him to the Giants). These relievers need to be able to have pin point location and not walk anybody. Nobody walks but the Twins. Nobody. Duran, Jax and Pagan can be counted on. Cotton may help. The Duffman may get things figured out and be reliable again this season. With this Platinum defense up the middle (Buck and Carlos), plus Kepler and Celestino and  Urshela,  and Alex at 1B and Polanco at 2B and Arraez at DH, get pitchers  who throw the ball over the plate. Maeda could be a key. Next year he can go back to starting. 

Padres, not the Giants. I got those Rogers' twins, one of whom was a Twin, mixed up. My mistake.  

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I'd be ok selling in positions of depth such as Kepler or Sano to buy for a position of need such as a pitcher. But I'd want a return of something greater than a 1/2 year rental pitcher in return.  Getting a pitcher with at least 1 more year of team control would be a requirement.

 

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23 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

Need a 3rd category of on the fence and need to see what happens in the next month.  

As of this moment, I would do some of both.  I would trade for at least 1 RP and try to trade Urshela, and Archer or Bundy.  Sano would get traded if possible and I would consider trading Maeda if the offer was good.  I am a Polanco fan but I would trade him and put Arraez at 2nd if the offer was great.

You won't get anything for those three players. So, if you want to get them off the roster for the sake of freeing up spots on the 40 man, that is the only reason to do it. Dumping 2 pitchers that are as of right now in your starting rotation is also not very wise. 

Urshela might get you something, but he is exactly the kind of guy playoff teams have to be a utility man. He plays great defense and his bat isn't terrible. Unless the return for him is a fairly solid relief pitcher, I would hang onto him. Also, I am not ready to give 3B 100% to Miranda with no backup plan yet.

 

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1 hour ago, Battle ur tail off said:

You won't get anything for those three players. So, if you want to get them off the roster for the sake of freeing up spots on the 40 man, that is the only reason to do it. Dumping 2 pitchers that are as of right now in your starting rotation is also not very wise. 

Urshela might get you something, but he is exactly the kind of guy playoff teams have to be a utility man. He plays great defense and his bat isn't terrible. Unless the return for him is a fairly solid relief pitcher, I would hang onto him. Also, I am not ready to give 3B 100% to Miranda with no backup plan yet.

 

They got Sisk for Happ who looked horrible so they can get something for Bundy and they can certainly get something for Archer.  Note I did not say I would trade them today and also note I said one of Bundy or Archer so they still have Gray / Ryan / Winder / Ober / Smeltzer and one of Archer or Bundy.  

Arraez or Steer is the back-up plan for Miranda.   In other words, they are 3 deep behind Urshela.  

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