Current Active MLB roster/May 1st cut to 26

[umterp23]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

Well, the .269 slugging average is a good argument for him to ride the pine, as well as defense. 

I don't see an infatuation with slugging % of a player who isn't a slugger.  Some stat categories aren't worth it, but that is the world stats have gone to.  Each player better have some power or they aren't good narrative shouldn't apply when I guy can put the ball in play, singles hitter with an occasional I really got into one.  I'm fine with what he brings and it isn't power to the table.  He can hit a ball, doesn't have to be 400+ feet, he isn't built that way

[AKTwins]

I know my Max as a 4th outfielder was a major stretch,  but I will be interested to see how the FO handles the OF when Kiriloff comes back.  Larnach is hitting the ball hard.  I don’t think they will sit Sano.  Arreaz has to play, so there goes DH at bats.  As for Gordon, they trust him at SS now.  He is becoming an Emilio Bonifacio.  So maybe the 2 going off the 28 man roster will be Celestino getting optioned and Godoy getting DFA.  That way Garlick can linger as the 5th outfielder, RH bench bat and Celestino can play everyday.

Winder would be very useful to have in the pen. I figured he would get sent down because he has an option, where as the only other BP arm with an option is Duran I believe. Otherwise maybe Romero is waived.  

[Major League Ready]

7 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

And he can't do this while pitching in MN? I mean he kind of has with two of his appearances being 4 and 5.1 innings. His 5.1 inning is longer than 2 of Ober's 3 starts, longer than both of Paddack's, long than 1 of Ryans, longer than 2 of Bundy's and tied with the other, and longer than all three of Archers.

To me this is on Rocco to figure out how to get one of his better pitchers innings and keep him stretched out, not send him to the minors and have lesser pitchers on the major league roster.

You are overlooking the rest of the roster.  You can't send Gray / Bundy or Archer down.  You could send Paddack I guess but that would be a real slap in the face to an established pitcher you just traded for, not to mention we traded a closer for him.  That's 4 guys.  Then you have Ryan and Ober.  They aren't going down.  So, you want Rocco to figure out how to utilize 7 starters and be left with 6 RPs?  I guess it's feasible using Mike's piggyback approach but 6 RPs seems like a bad idea and I don't think that's the best way to develop Winder.  An injury will likely provide an opportunity for him soon enough.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

I keep Winder up. I use him every 5 days as a long reliever. He's 25....and good. Frankly, if they have all 7 starters healthy, I do a lot more piggybacking than they have been......

 

I tend to agree with you.  Not sure why they wouldn't piggy back more and if they did what you suggest with Winder then they could reset the pen every 5th day to some degree (that is if Winder continues to pitch well).  And this pen isn't exactly the teams strong suite to begin with.

Given how well Winder has been doing I kind of hate to see them send him down.  He is 25 already so no service time concerns and they should be using him in his prime years.  He has been holding his own to this point.  He needs the MLB experience.  Keep him up at least until he implodes or has a couple of bad games.

[Mike Sixel]

10 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

You are overlooking the rest of the roster.  You can't send Gray / Bundy or Archer down.  You could send Paddack I guess but that would be a real slap in the face to an established pitcher you just traded for, not to mention we traded a closer for him.  That's 4 guys.  Then you have Ryan and Ober.  They aren't going down.  So, you want Rocco to figure out how to utilize 7 starters and be left with 6 RPs?  I guess it's feasible using Mike's piggyback approach but 6 RPs seems like a bad idea and I don't think that's the best way to develop Winder.  An injury will likely provide an opportunity for him soon enough.

Ya, it's a real bind (a good one, for a change) to have 7 starters you think you can rely on. Nice problem for a change.

I'll say this, I've been VERY HARD on the front office for a few things, one being pitching development. If this is Winder (and Ober and Ryan).....I will have to stop that refrain.

[DocBauer]

I'm leaving Kirilloff out of the equation for now because he's going to St Paul for rehab. So he's a moot point for a week or so. Hopefully he forces a tough decision with Larnach showing some really positive signs.

Celestino needs to go down and play every day for his own benefit, as well as his ability to help the Twins in the future. A pitcher has to go. While Winder doesn't "deserve" to be sent down, and can continue to develop at the ML level, there IS a numbers game at hand here. I have no issue if he's kept up. He can learn, develop, piggyback when needed, etc. But it also makes sense for him to go down and maintain a normal, regular work load and prep as a SP. When you have a roster crunch, sometimes you have to look at options available vs a DFA/waiver and risk losing someone. So I have to think it's Winder at the moment.

Does Stashak have any options remaining?

*NOTE: I haven't been following the rest of the league very closely thus far, are injuries still up as they were last year? I will not be the least bit surprised if MLB extends the 28 man roster for another 2-4 weeks. And really, I think they should from the shortened ST to the few tidbits of information I've garnered here and there about injuries in general.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

You are overlooking the rest of the roster.  You can't send Gray / Bundy or Archer down.  You could send Paddack I guess but that would be a real slap in the face to an established pitcher you just traded for, not to mention we traded a closer for him.  That's 4 guys.  Then you have Ryan and Ober.  They aren't going down.  So, you want Rocco to figure out how to utilize 7 starters and be left with 6 RPs?  I guess it's feasible using Mike's piggyback approach but 6 RPs seems like a bad idea and I don't think that's the best way to develop Winder.  An injury will likely provide an opportunity for him soon enough.

I get what everyone is saying and the Twins likely will send Winder down but you have to look at the risk of piggy backing versus the risk of a traditional pen IMO.  If one part of your piggy back can't make their 3 to 4 innings that is going to decimate a pen only 6 arms deep.  If you piggy back Archer\Winder and Gray\Paddack and they pitch into the 8th inning together a pen 6 arms deep is more than enough.

Here is the thing though, instead of Winder would you prefer Stashak, Coulombe or Jax?  Yeah now you have 7 relievers but Stashak and Coulombe would be lucky to go 1 inning let alone two and Jax can go multiple innings but has he been better than Winder to this point.  It feels like this pen stalls out at Duran, Pagan, Smith, Thielbar and maybe Duffy.  3 pretty strong arms and the next three are anybody's guess.  Is that really better than keeping Winder around?

Also how many innings are we thinking Winder is going to pitch this year anyway 100 or so?  Having him piggy back might be a way to use him all year instead of shutting him down later in the year.  Until Winder struggles more and proves he doesn't belong I think there is less risk in keeping him up than sending him down at least IMO.

 

[PatPfund]

Winder will go down. Like many of you I think he is ready for the rotation right now, but he's coming off an injury year, he (like most MiLBers missed a full development year the year before, and the Twins have too many starters AFTER sending down Winder, and with Gray coming back. Likely one of the six starters will pitch themselves into the bullpen role of long man, and likely Jax fills some of that as well. Giving Winder starts on a regular routine keeps him stretched out and maximizes his chances of staying healthy for when the Twins need him to start. Which they will because this is the Major Leagues, and pitchers tail off in effectiveness and also get hurt. A lot.

Having Winder in reserve also lets Falvine consider leveraging a hot starting pitcher like Bundy for a legit full-time corner outfielder (maybe even a RH-ed one to make Rocco happy). 

That would reduce pitchers to 13, so the other cut is a position player, and since Gordon is already the top backup, Celestino would be an ideal option. Let him get serious at-bats, because he isn't ready to hit MLB pitching (and it ain't gonna get better scattering a few bats in each week).

When Gray comes back, DFA Stashak, and when nobody claims him, assign him to St Paul. (If someone does claim him, fine.)

The Kirilloff talk just sounds goofy to me. I really don't want to see him in a Twins uniform until he shows he can hit for average and power.  I'm no Sano fan, but I'd rather see Miguel or Larnach at the plate than the no-power-sub-.200 mess we saw out of Alex last summer post-injury. And that we saw again to start this year. Sit him for the year if that's what it takes to get the wrist healthy, because until it is, he isn't a major leaguer.

If both catchers are healthy and Kirilloff seems worth activating, you could DFA Godoy, though you might lose him (not sure if the second DFA makes him potentially a free agent, but it might).

The Twins should probably play Martin a lot in the outfield (and hopefully in St Paul soon). Lewis needs to stay at shortstop everyday. That is his and the Twins' future, which might be as soon as this year if Correa gets hurt or is traded at the deadline, and almost certainly is next year. Outfielders are a dime a dozen compared to elite hitting/fielding shortstops. Moving people all over is one of the reasons the Twins have been lurking in the bottom half of MLB team defensive ratings for the past few years (including this season).

[Richie the Rally Goat]

2 hours ago, DocBauer said:

I'm leaving Kirilloff out of the equation for now because he's going to St Paul for rehab. So he's a moot point for a week or so. Hopefully he forces a tough decision with Larnach showing some really positive signs.

Celestino needs to go down and play every day for his own benefit, as well as his ability to help the Twins in the future. A pitcher has to go. While Winder doesn't "deserve" to be sent down, and can continue to develop at the ML level, there IS a numbers game at hand here. I have no issue if he's kept up. He can learn, develop, piggyback when needed, etc. But it also makes sense for him to go down and maintain a normal, regular work load and prep as a SP. When you have a roster crunch, sometimes you have to look at options available vs a DFA/waiver and risk losing someone. So I have to think it's Winder at the moment.

Does Stashak have any options remaining?

*NOTE: I haven't been following the rest of the league very closely thus far, are injuries still up as they were last year? I will not be the least bit surprised if MLB extends the 28 man roster for another 2-4 weeks. And really, I think they should from the shortened ST to the few tidbits of information I've garnered here and there about injuries in general.

I hope Kiriloff plays first when he returns

[Major League Ready]

11 hours ago, Dman said:

I get what everyone is saying and the Twins likely will send Winder down but you have to look at the risk of piggy backing versus the risk of a traditional pen IMO.  If one part of your piggy back can't make their 3 to 4 innings that is going to decimate a pen only 6 arms deep.  If you piggy back Archer\Winder and Gray\Paddack and they pitch into the 8th inning together a pen 6 arms deep is more than enough.

Here is the thing though, instead of Winder would you prefer Stashak, Coulombe or Jax?  Yeah now you have 7 relievers but Stashak and Coulombe would be lucky to go 1 inning let alone two and Jax can go multiple innings but has he been better than Winder to this point.  It feels like this pen stalls out at Duran, Pagan, Smith, Thielbar and maybe Duffy.  3 pretty strong arms and the next three are anybody's guess.  Is that really better than keeping Winder around?

Also how many innings are we thinking Winder is going to pitch this year anyway 100 or so?  Having him piggy back might be a way to use him all year instead of shutting him down later in the year.  Until Winder struggles more and proves he doesn't belong I think there is less risk in keeping him up than sending him down at least IMO.

 

I am a fan of piggybacking when it fits the situation / personnel as it does here.  I also think it's imperative Winder get ML innings this year.  However, we should not just jettison Jax.  We have let too many RPs walk and prove to be useful elsewhere.  That makes 6 with Duran, Pagan, Smith, Thielbar and Duffey but only 1 lefty.  So, filling that last spot with Coulombe or perhaps Moran at some point makes some sense and Coulombe is out of options.  We need to solidify the BP which means giving those guys a chance too.  I guess all I am saying is that sending Winder down may make the most sense when considering the whole.  It will not hurt to have him in a normal routine in AAA while giving some other guys a chance in the BP.

I won't be shocked if Winder remains but I think he will go along with one of the OFers.  That choice will also be interesting.  Larnach has hit the ball well even though the results have been modest.  Garlick hits LH pitching.  Celestino fills a role.  One of them has to go.   

[stringer bell]

16 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

I am a fan of piggybacking when it fits the situation / personnel as it does here.  I also think it's imperative Winder get ML innings this year.  However, we should not just jettison Jax.  We have let too many RPs walk and prove to be useful elsewhere.  That makes 6 with Duran, Pagan, Smith, Thielbar and Duffey but only 1 lefty.  So, filling that last spot with Coulombe or perhaps Moran at some point makes some sense and Coulombe is out of options.  We need to solidify the BP which means giving those guys a chance too.  I guess all I am saying is that sending Winder down may make the most sense when considering the whole.  It will not hurt to have him in a normal routine in AAA while giving some other guys a chance in the BP.

I won't be shocked if Winder remains but I think he will go along with one of the OFers.  That choice will also be interesting.  Larnach has hit the ball well even though the results have been modest.  Garlick hits LH pitching.  Celestino fills a role.  One of them has to go.   

Counting Sonny Gray and Romero, both of whom are eligible to go off the IL before May 1, the Twins have 16 pitchers. Three must go off the active roster. Archer, Gray, Bundy, Thielbar and Coulombe can’t be optioned. Everyone else could be optioned. The team could continue Romero on IL or send him to St. Paul on a rehab assignment, but I doubt they do that with Gray. If I had to pick two, it would be Winder and Stashak with my “last man on” being Jax. 

[Dman]

50 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

I am a fan of piggybacking when it fits the situation / personnel as it does here.  I also think it's imperative Winder get ML innings this year.  However, we should not just jettison Jax.  We have let too many RPs walk and prove to be useful elsewhere.  That makes 6 with Duran, Pagan, Smith, Thielbar and Duffey but only 1 lefty.  So, filling that last spot with Coulombe or perhaps Moran at some point makes some sense and Coulombe is out of options.  We need to solidify the BP which means giving those guys a chance too.  I guess all I am saying is that sending Winder down may make the most sense when considering the whole.  It will not hurt to have him in a normal routine in AAA while giving some other guys a chance in the BP.

I won't be shocked if Winder remains but I think he will go along with one of the OFers.  That choice will also be interesting.  Larnach has hit the ball well even though the results have been modest.  Garlick hits LH pitching.  Celestino fills a role.  One of them has to go.   

Yeah most likely they send Winder Down and wait for the inevitable injury or someone to massively under perform.  We will have to wait and see.  Things can still happen before cut down day.

I agree with you on Jax he has been solid at times and he can work multiple innings if effective.  He lacks a strike out pitch which leaves him vulnerable at times IMO.  Still he is a good strong arm and I don't see the Twins DFA'ing him with options left.

I still think Winder could make the pen stronger rather than weaker, but that is just my opinion.  I am sure the FO is looking at things beyond what I see as a fan.

 

[IndianaTwin]

I was on the Winder to St. Paul bandwagon until considering how well he’s thrown and that he’s 25. 
 

Here’s my slight variation on the piggy back plan, at least as long as Gray, Bundy, Archer, Paddack, Ryan and Ober are healthy. 
 

Rather than tie Winder to a specific pitcher, tie him to a specific day. That has a couple advantages, in my mind. First, it seems likely that he’s going to be on some kind of innings limit. Pitching one game a week gives him essentially 26 games. If he averages 4.5 innings, that’s 119 innings. Second, virtually none of the starters is likely to go over 150 innings, for various reasons. In the past, it’s not been unusual to skip a start for someone. Tieing Winder to a day means that over time he’ll end up piggy backing different pitchers over time. What that does is give each starter that occasional game that is a very light game. One week it’s Archer, the next week it’s Bundy, Ober, etc. As a recovery tool, virtually all (maybe all!) would benefit from an occasional game where they go 45 pitches (three innings) and shower early and this gets them that. 
 

While Winder Wednesday has obvious marketing potential, I go with Saturday. A starter going three, followed by Winder going five nearly gives the bullpen a reset in the middle of what’s nearly always at least a three-game series. No other day gives that. Additionally, there are at least a couple Saturday doubleheaders, right? On those days, you give the regular starter game one (and don’t pull after three) and use Winder in game two. 
 

Plans like this always look good on paper, but never last long term, either because of injuries or ineffectiveness. If one of the other starters is out for either reason, you just switch to a five-man rotation, continuing to manage Winder this way. If a second is out, just slide Winder into what becomes a new five-man rotation. 

[TwinsDr2021]

3 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

I was on the Winder to St. Paul bandwagon until considering how well he’s thrown and that he’s 25. 
 

Here’s my slight variation on the piggy back plan, at least as long as Gray, Bundy, Archer, Paddack, Ryan and Ober are healthy. 
 

Rather than tie Winder to a specific pitcher, tie him to a specific day. That has a couple advantages, in my mind. First, it seems likely that he’s going to be on some kind of innings limit. Pitching one game a week gives him essentially 26 games. If he averages 4.5 innings, that’s 119 innings. Second, virtually none of the starters is likely to go over 150 innings, for various reasons. In the past, it’s not been unusual to skip a start for someone. Tieing Winder to a day means that over time he’ll end up piggy backing different pitchers over time. What that does is give each starter that occasional game that is a very light game. One week it’s Archer, the next week it’s Bundy, Ober, etc. As a recovery tool, virtually all (maybe all!) would benefit from an occasional game where they go 45 pitches (three innings) and shower early and this gets them that. 
 

While Winder Wednesday has obvious marketing potential, I go with Saturday. A starter going three, followed by Winder going five nearly gives the bullpen a reset in the middle of what’s nearly always at least a three-game series. No other day gives that. Additionally, there are at least a couple Saturday doubleheaders, right? On those days, you give the regular starter game one (and don’t pull after three) and use Winder in game two. 
 

Plans like this always look good on paper, but never last long term, either because of injuries or ineffectiveness. If one of the other starters is out for either reason, you just switch to a five-man rotation, continuing to manage Winder this way. If a second is out, just slide Winder into what becomes a new five-man rotation. 

Like your thinking, hopefully the Twins MGMT can come up with a plan to have one of their better pitchers pitching in the big leagues (as long as he deserves it) instead of wasting pitches in the minors.

[stringer bell]

This just in, per MLB Trade Rumors, the limit on pitchers will be 14 for the next month. 14 pitchers changes things for the 26-man limit coming this Monday. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/04/mlb-mlbpa-allowing-14-pitchers-on-active-rosters-through-may-29-13-pitcher-limit-to-take-effect-thereafter.html

[nicksaviking]

I don't know that Winder needs to be sent down to get work, he currently has pitched the fifth most innings out of anyone on the staff. If they will to commit to him as a starter and he's the next man up for the rotation I guess I could get behind sending him down. If they're thinking they'll keep him in the pen, keep him up.

Geez, somehow Thielbar put himself in a pretty good position to pitch poorly yet still keep his job. It's crazy that there are only four left handed pitchers between the MLB and AAA clubs combined.

[stringer bell]

4 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I don't know that Winder needs to be sent down to get work, he currently has pitched the fifth most innings out of anyone on the staff. If they will to commit to him as a starter and he's the next man up for the rotation I guess I could get behind sending him down. If they're thinking they'll keep him in the pen, keep him up.

Geez, somehow Thielbar put himself in a pretty good position to pitch poorly yet still keep his job. It's crazy that there are only four left handed pitchers between the MLB and AAA clubs combined.

Thielbar's FIP is a much more reasonable 3.51. Given his success the past two years, he is safe for a while. I've thought the Twins leaned a little bit right in their pitching complement for some time.

[nicksaviking]

31 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

Thielbar's FIP is a much more reasonable 3.51. Given his success the past two years, he is safe for a while. I've thought the Twins leaned a little bit right in their pitching complement for some time.

Yeah, I'm not making any long term judgments on Thielbar based on four innings, but he certainly looks like he's going to have a long leash by default.

[DJL44]

MLB is going to allow 14 pitchers for another month after the May 1 cutdown. If they option Godoy and Celestino they'll have their new roster.

[lecroy24fan]

Yeah with the stupidity of allowing a 14th pitched Winder stays. 

 

I don't like the idea of tying Winder to a day. What if Bundy is at 6 innings, 1 hit, and say 60 pitches? I want him staying in that game. Goes for any of the starters. Use him as he has been used, when a starter has a short start. As much as I'd prefer he got a regular day it simply isn't happening with how good the SP has been.

[stringer bell]

Well, so far Winder has gotten sufficient work and actually got to pitch in a game that the Twins won. I would expect that he would get long relief innings, but not really be part of the bullpen, which would then include seven members. 

[Rosterman]

Yeah! Teams get to carry an extra pitcher if they wish (sacrificing a bench guy)_ for another month. Means the Twins can have their six man rotation and still have eight guys in the pen. 

 

Y'know, Winder could pitch four innings every 4th or 5th day and get a save if he is the game ending pitcher!

[Old fox]

I’m not sure who is sent down but May 1st may bring about a trade or two. This would all depend what the market place has to offer and at what price and if the Twins want to meet the price? There will be about 58 other players moved on May 1st. The last 3 days of April May 1st will be interesting. All we know is after this week there will be only 13 pitchers & 13 position players on the Mlb roster.

[stringer bell]

33 minutes ago, Old fox said:

I’m not sure who is sent down but May 1st may bring about a trade or two. This would all depend what the market place has to offer and at what price and if the Twins want to meet the price? There will be about 58 other players moved on May 1st. The last 3 days of April May 1st will be interesting. All we know is after this week there will be only 13 pitchers & 13 position players on the Mlb roster.

Close. MLB is permitting 14 pitchers until May 29. This was reported yesterday. I do expect the Twins to go with 14 pitchers unless they don’t activate Gray by May 2. 

[stringer bell]

Just now, stringer bell said:

Close. MLB is permitting 14 pitchers until May 29. This was reported yesterday. I do expect the Twins to go with 14 pitchers unless they don’t activate Gray by May 2. 

As for transactions, I expect a lot of pitchers to go on the Injured List and also a few DFAs and trades. It will be interesting to see what Triple A teams do with all the pitchers added to their rosters. 

[LA Vikes Fan]

With the rule change allowing for 14 pitchers, I think this becomes a much easier decision when we cut to 26. We have a 14 man pitching staff now. We Gray is ready to come back we jettison the least effective of Stashack and Jax. Right now, I think that's Stashack but I'm not sure he has options like Jax does. We now have our 14 man pitching staff. We cut to 12 players by reducing ourselves with three-man bench, a 2nd catcher (Sanchez) a super utility (Gordon) and then which ever 1 of Sano, Garlick, Larnach or Arraez isn't playing LF, DH or 1B that day.  Celestino goes down to AAA to play centerfield every day and we lose Godoy assuming Sanchez is ready to play. It is a little tempting to go with 3 catchers since they like to have Sanchez DH when he is not catching, but that leaves no room at the Inn for Garlick unless you want to keep him and send Laranch back down. I think Garlick stays for now. 

The harder question comes when Kirilloff is ready come back. I think at that point we to make a decision between Larnach, Garlick and Sano going off 26 man roster to make room. While performance to date suggests Sano would be the one to go, you basically have to trade him or keep him and he has no trade value right now.  Moreover, it's not like the other 2 are burning up the league and somehow forcing the Twins to keep them on the active roster. I think the likely result is that when Kirilloff  comes back, we choose between keeping Garlick or Larnach. My guess is that Larnach will go back to AAA unless he gets on a hot streak that's more than just hitting the ball hard, but actually getting hits and not striking out so much.

[wsnydes]

On 4/25/2022 at 5:27 PM, Mike Sixel said:

I keep Winder up. I use him every 5 days as a long reliever. He's 25....and good. Frankly, if they have all 7 starters healthy, I do a lot more piggybacking than they have been......

I'm unsure about the OF. It really depends on health. AK should be the 1B, Sano DH or DFA (can't believe I'm typing that), and Larnach or Celestino or Martin the LF.....

I was thinking about the piggybacking aspect too.  It does make some sense, but I was trying to figure out what happens if you get a short start from someone between Archer starts.  What happens then?  Do you carry a second long reliever?  Do you throw Winder again?  Can't do that on back to back days.  With the condensed schedule and option limits, I think this is a bigger consideration than what we're used to.  

I agree on AK playing 1B and would DH Sano.  Sanchez can sit as far as I'm concerned.  Keep Larnach up and send Celestino down.  If you keep Winder up, you send Larnach down too to get to 26.

[stringer bell]

Currently 14 pitchers and 14 position players on the active roster. Three players can be activated by the May 1 cut down date. I would 100% expect that Romero, when he is activated, will go on a rehab assignment in St. Paul. From the sound of it, Gray will not be activated until next week, so the Twins could get away with carrying 13 pitchers until then (about May 5). That would mean they would have to cut one pitcher and one position player until Gray is activated. I suspect Kirilloff won't be activated until he is driving balls all over CHS Field, so the one position player that can/should be sent to St. Paul is Celestino. The second player? I am going to go with Winder, but it could be Stashak. Another option would be to send Godoy back to St. Paul and keep an extra pitcher. 

[lecroy24fan]

9 hours ago, stringer bell said:

The second player? I am going to go with Winder, but it could be Stashak. Another option would be to send Godoy back to St. Paul and keep an extra pitcher. 

Radio broadcast today said Rooco said Winder is going to stay on the roster.

[stringer bell]

I read on mlbtraderumors.com that two rule changes aren't in effect until the roster cut date--1) option limits and 2) 15 day minimum for pitchers on the Injured List. My question is if a team options a player on May 1 or puts him on the IL on or before that date, are those moves under the "old rules"? So, if Godoy, for example, is optioned on 5/1 does that option count toward the maximum of five in a season? Likewise, Ober was placed on the IL today, is he eligible to come off on 5/10?