Nine of twelve Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 This story from the AP was lifted from the StarTribune. https://www.startribune.com/mlb-moving-all-star-game-in-response-to-voting-restrictions/600041607/
SarasotaBill Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 I just cancelled my MLB subscription. Here's my email to MLB. I would like to cancel my subscription and receive a full refund.It is MLB’s right to be political and uninformed about the GA voting law and change their policy.However, I have a right to disagree and spend my money on organizations that support the US values of equal voting access and integrity.If MLB was serious about understanding the law, Manfred should have met the GA governor on the law. It takes five minutes to set up a zoom call.At least Manfred should have read the law and point out specifically which aspects are not good.GA law:- More voting machines in minority areas- “Partisan free zone” (which includes water & food from partisan groups) in 150 feet from voting poll- Mandates mail drop off boxes in every voting district - Adds early voting days on weekends- “Sign” absentee ballots by using your Voter ID or Driver’s ID instead of your signature (faster to process absentee ballots)- Free Voter IDsI live in Florida but I find the MLB quick decision to be politically based and not fact based.
prouster Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 I just cancelled my MLB subscription.Literal cancel culture
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 GA law:- More voting machines in minority areas- “Partisan free zone” (which includes water & food from partisan groups) in 150 feet from voting poll- Mandates mail drop off boxes in every voting district - Adds early voting days on weekends- “Sign” absentee ballots by using your Voter ID or Driver’s ID instead of your signature (faster to process absentee ballots)- Free Voter IDsI live in Florida but I find the MLB quick decision to be politically based and not fact based.Source?
gunnarthor Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Good for MLB. I'm not going to bother going through a step by step discussion of SarasotaBill's post. Here's a link from the NYTImes that pretty effectively refutes all of those things. I know some pretty good lawyers who work exclusively on voting rights, including several at the ACLU. Every knowledgeable voice agree on the same thing - the law is designed to reduce the voting power of people of color. That really isn't surprising but it's worth remembering and saying out loud.
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 If Georgia doesnt like companies using their freedom in a free market to reject blatent racism by their elected officials they could, you know, vote in less racists.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 If Georgia doesnt like companies using their freedom in a free market to reject blatent racism by their elected officials they could, you know, vote in less racists.requiring ID is racist, got it
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 requiring ID is racist, got itYou should find sources outside your usual ones to recap this law. When you close urban polling places, allow the elderly to early and mail in vote but no one else, and even make it criminal to give waiting voters food and water? Well....reasonable people can see the real purpose.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 You should find sources outside your usual ones to recap this law. When you close urban polling places, allow the elderly to early and mail in vote but no one else, and even make it criminal to give waiting voters food and water? Well....reasonable people can see the real purpose.except that everything you stated the law does is not true, just some pundits explanation which is far from accurate
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 liesWere "fake news" and/or "cancel culture" tag lines unavailable for this post?
BeatTheRich Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 requiring ID is racist, got it The reasons behind requiring that ID are racist. Republicans have been crystal clear. To argue otherwise is to defend the indefensible.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Were "fake news" and/or "cancel culture" tag lines unavailable for this post?My one word says it clearly
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 The reasons behind requiring that ID are racist. Republicans have been crystal clear. To argue otherwise is to defend the indefensible.ID’s are not racist to claim they are is totally ridiculous
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 except that everything you stated the law does is not true, just some pundits explanation which is far from accurateYou should read the link posted earlier by gunnathor and cross check it with news sources that are independent. What I said is accurate and some of those provisions even have Republicans publicly scratching their heads. They exist. They are with the express purpose of aiding Republicans in winning elections by complicating the voting process for black and poor urbanites. This is simply a fact. Your feelings driven by falsehoods and misinformation dont change that.
BeatTheRich Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 ID’s are not racist to claim they are is totally ridiculous Claims of voter fraud are bogus. You know it, we all know it, MLB knows it. Good for them in making this move. Sidebar: Delta, Coca-Cola, AFLAC, come to California. Home Depot and Ken Langone, stay where you are.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 You should read the link posted earlier by gunnathor and cross check it with news sources that are independent. What I said is accurate and some of those provisions even have Republicans publicly scratching their heads. They exist. They are with the express purpose of aiding Republicans in winning elections by complicating the voting process for black and poor urbanites. This is simply a fact. Your feelings driven by falsehoods and misinformation dont change that.what a joke, forget about biased links, read the actual law. Over and out
BeatTheRich Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 "Biased links." Good lord. Don't like what the NYT says? Read the Guardian. The Washington Post. Virtually anything that doesn't have the word Fox in it, otherwise you're willing to just be led by the nose. I'm happy with the MLB decision and will leave it there.
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 In the interest of decorum. Please provide sources before calling others liars.
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Okay, I have to step in at this point. We have a no politics rule on this site but when MLB enters the political arena, leeway must be made for it. With that said, STAY CIVIL. AND BACK UP YOUR ASSERTIONS WITH INFORMATION. There will be no safe harbor given for insults and rants loaded with falsehoods so think twice before hitting Reply.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 You should read the link posted earlier by gunnathor and cross check it with news sources that are independent. What I said is accurate and some of those provisions even have Republicans publicly scratching their heads. They exist. They are with the express purpose of aiding Republicans in winning elections by complicating the voting process for black and poor urbanites. This is simply a fact. Your feelings driven by falsehoods and misinformation dont change that.This has nothing to do with feelings. Why do you insinuate that a “complicated voting process” would make it hard on only black or poor urbanites? Are you implying they’re not smart enough to follow the rules so they can vote. That sounds racist to me. You need an ID for anything these days. I won’t look into anything else about this law til somebody acknowledges that it’s ok to show an id to vote.
Nine of twelve Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Author Posted April 2, 2021 Gosh, I had no idea when I posted this that it could be such a hot-button issue. In all seriousness, this is obviously a major move by MLB. I believe, as the article implies, that it was not a knee-jerk reflex but rather action that was thoroughly researched and thought through with input from many sources including groups affected by this decision. No matter what one believes about the political issues that triggered the decision I think MLB management deserves acceptance at the least and probably praise for taking this step. They certainly know that it will bring criticism (and revenue loss) from some quarters, but they are doing what they feel is right and good for MLB.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Gosh, I had no idea when I posted this that it could be such a hot-button issue. In all seriousness, this is obviously a major move by MLB. I believe, as the article implies, that it was not a knee-jerk reflex but rather action that was thoroughly researched and thought through with input from many sources including groups affected by this decision. No matter what one believes about the political issues that triggered the decision I think MLB management deserves acceptance at the least and probably praise for taking this step. They certainly know that it will bring criticism (and revenue loss) from some quarters, but they are doing what they feel is right and good for MLB.All hail MLB
TheLeviathan Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 This has nothing to do with feelings. Why do you insinuate that a “complicated voting process” would make it hard on only black or poor urbanites? Are you implying they’re not smart enough to follow the rules so they can vote. That sounds racist to me. You need an ID for anything these days. I won’t look into anything else about this law til somebody acknowledges that it’s ok to show an id to vote. The fact you keep insinuating this is merely a voter ID law is evidence of how little you know of the scope of the law. You've made it abundantly clear a fact-driven discussion in which reading and evidence are required is not one you are prepared to engage in. As such, you'll have to find someone else to indulge your fantasies.
tony&rodney Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander published in 2010 and then get back to me.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 My thinking is this.... When I hear that requiring a picture id is a racist ploy to restrict people from voting, I realize that absolutely anything can be a target, and it cheapens the argument, so in no way are you the moral superior here, but go ahead with more insults, because words don’t really hurt
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Are you implying they’re not smart enough to follow the rules so they can vote. That sounds racist to me. There's such a thing as systemic racism--that is a series of built-in, institutional methods that disenfranchise people of color. The easy way to see evidence of this is to acknowledge that poverty disproportionately affects people of color. As a result they have less education, less wealth, less means. Any added layer of bureaucracy with which this population needs to navigate acts as hurdles. The disenfranchised are already disincentivized from availing themselves of their rights; they are demoralized again and again over a lifetime of not being recognized--they often don't seek help in navigate such bureaucracy because they rightly have learned they will not receive it. If you actually want those voice heard you have to give them the means to be heard; and if you don't give them the means (or the case of the law, make those means less effective), you are obviously silencing those voices. And we have a word for that.
strumdatjaguar Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 This is a divisive issue on both sides. MLB guarantees ticking off at least 25% of its customers. I have been in a group splitting season tickets for more than 30 years. I’m truly torn as to how to take my own personal action in protest to this decision by MLB. I’ve decided that I am too much of a die-hard fan to stop following the Twins. So, I have started looking for a T-Shirt opposing MLB’s position. I plan to wear it, and maybe a matching cap with it, to every home game I attend in 2021.
LVTwinsfan Verified Member Posted April 2, 2021 Posted April 2, 2021 Can’t require an ID to vote, but you won’t be able to buy a loaf of bread without your vaccine passport comrade. Oh well we had a good run. You’ll miss her when she’s gone
SarasotaBill Verified Member Posted April 3, 2021 Posted April 3, 2021 Source?GA Governor on CNBC Thursday afternoon.
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