Twins should trade for Bundy

[gunnarthor]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-reportedly-working-to-trade-dylan-bundy.html

 

Looks like Baltimore is finally going to trade him. Fairly cheap with two years of control left. With all his warts, he was still worth 2.5 WAR last season and will only be 27 next season. Adding him to the rotation would still allow us to dream on Wheeler (which won't happen) but would give us another solid starter with a bit of potential upside left. 

 

I'm not sure what it would take but they won't get a top 100 prospect for him but might want a high tools lottery ticket and a fairly safe prospect. Maybe something like Rooker and Celestino? I'm not sure. 

[Tomj14]

Yes, yes they should, and I am good with your offer (Rooker and Celestino)

[twinkiesfan11]

He’s headed toward the end of arbitration and has never put up great numbers so would assume asking price won’t be too unreasonable. Seems like another solid option to bring in to a much more savvy organization to optimize pitch mix, maybe find a few extra ticks on the fastball and improve his stick considerably. Do it!

[nicksaviking]

I'd trade for him, but I think that trade offer is high actually. At this point any value is almost entirely based on his status as a one time top prospect. While a 5.7M arb figure isn't pricey comparatively, it isn't cheap for a guy who typically performs as a #5 starter. While it probably wouldn't happen, I'll bet Baltimore has at least had internal discussions about non-tendering him if they don't move him.

[MMMordabito]

I am in favor of the idea as well.  Get him out of Camden and in a winning atmosphere. He's got talent.  Buy low option of 2020 that has more upside than the Perez option of 2019.

[Mike Sixel]

Only if they acquire two better pitchers.....

[Tomj14]

 

Only if they acquire two better pitchers.....

I agree with your statement, but what are the odds they acquire two better, let alone one better.

If they traded for Bundy, they would Berrios, Odo, acquired pitcher, Bundy, and about 6 they can rotate in the 5th and relief role. If more than one of the minor league pitchers set up, all the better.

 

[Mike Sixel]

I agree with your statement, but what are the odds they acquire two better, let alone one better.

If they traded for Bundy, they would Berrios, Odo, acquired pitcher, Bundy, and about 6 they can rotate in the 5th and relief role. If more than one of the minor league pitchers set up, all the better.

If they don't acquire at least one better, I don't know why anyone would buy a ticket and give them money.

 

A minor league pitcher could step up, but they shouldn't plan on that, not if they are serious about contending. Not if they are also hoping on Bundy. That's two hoping spots.

[MMMordabito]

How about Duran, Raley and Sands for Bundy AND Givens?

 

Two years of control on both, and 40-man spots stay the same.

[operation mindcrime]

How about Duran, Raley and Sands for Bundy AND Givens?

 

Two years of control on both, and 40-man spots stay the same.

Have them throw in Trey Mancini while we're at it!

[diehardtwinsfan]

Not a bad idea if they can fix him... seems to me that he falls under a type of guy that could be the next Gerrit Cole... the stuff is there from what I understand. Flip side is that you're giving him a rotation spot and he's going to have to figure it out on the fly.. 

[DocBauer]

Only if they acquire two better pitchers.....

Agreed.

 

Wheeler and Pineda and then swing a deal for Bundy as your #5 option.

 

Blocking prospects you say? There is room in the bullpen and at Rochester and guys always get hurt or dinged at some point.

[darin617]

Getting out of that division will help Bundy big time. All those parks are hitters parks for sure.

 

A change of scenery and a different pitching coach could make a big difference.

[Greglw3]

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-reportedly-working-to-trade-dylan-bundy.html

 

Looks like Baltimore is finally going to trade him. Fairly cheap with two years of control left. With all his warts, he was still worth 2.5 WAR last season and will only be 27 next season. Adding him to the rotation would still allow us to dream on Wheeler (which won't happen) but would give us another solid starter with a bit of potential upside left. 

 

I'm not sure what it would take but they won't get a top 100 prospect for him but might want a high tools lottery ticket and a fairly safe prospect. Maybe something like Rooker and Celestino? I'm not sure. 

I would not trade for  mediocre at best pitcher.  And I think Rooker and Celestino is way too much.  I think they both cn be stars, especially Rooker’s bat.  The whole point this season is to go for top pitchers like Strasburg, Wheeler, Bumgarner.  Why wouldn’t they want to pitch for a team that has a powerful offense and lots of money to spend.  We’ve had too much mediocre pitching. It’s time to strike for a dynasty with multiple world championships....2,3,4.  There’s no excuse not to, probably for a $160 million payroll, it could be done.

[cmoss84]

Yes. I'm also intrigued what he could do in bullpen. I'm thinking Trevor May with control.

[nicksaviking]

 

Yes. I'm also intrigued what he could do in bullpen. I'm thinking Trevor May with control.

 

I'd be more than happy to roll the dice on him, I love the idea of grabbing bounce back candidates, but even in the pen he probably still has below average velocity. I don't think Bundy is the guy we remember him as, he's only throwing 90-91 now. I think his ceiling is very low, which isn't ideal considering his floor is also very low.

[Brandon]

This is a trade to circle back to if we don't fix the rotation and need another starter. I think we have better internal options at this point. I do think he will pitch better outside of the AL East and Baltimore but at best he looks like a low to mid 4 ERA. Let's see if we can do better first.

[SwainZag]

 

I'd be more than happy to roll the dice on him, I love the idea of grabbing bounce back candidates, but even in the pen he probably still has below average velocity. I don't think Bundy is the guy we remember him as, he's only throwing 90-91 now. I think his ceiling is very low, which isn't ideal considering his floor is also very low.

 

The decreased velocity makes me think he might be a starter turned reliever, and could be valuable.  He has always had good stuff.  It would be worth kicking the tires on if the price is right IMO.

[ashbury]

I do think he will pitch better outside of the AL East

If this wound up being our FO's rationale to acquire him, I'd say don't bother. I'm looking toward post-season adventures.

[SwainZag]

 

If this wound up being our FO's rationale to acquire him, I'd say don't bother. I'm looking toward post-season adventures.

 

Even though they need a front line starter, that shouldn't be the entire off season plan.  If they see something in Bundy that would lead them to believe he could an upgrade at the #4 starter in the rotation or as a valuable member of the pen, then go for it.  Don't ignore places to improve the roster because you have an a hole at the top end of the starting rotation.

[sweetmusicviola16]

Bundy as a candidate for the 5th spot I'm OK with. He should be counted as nothing more. If we consider ourselves a WS contender we have got to be looking at more than acquiring potential innings eaters. Its time to move beyond that.

 

But if we were in discussions with the O's I would hope that they would look into Givens for the pen and John Means for a possible upgrade to the rotation.

[Vanimal46]

 

Here's Bundy's pitch profile from 2019. I buy into him having unlocked potential and would seek him in a trade.

[ashbury]

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Here's Bundy's pitch profile from 2019. I buy into him having unlocked potential and would seek him in a trade.

I'm not versed in these diagrams, nor in the charts. What did you spot?

[Vanimal46]

I'm not versed in these diagrams, nor in the charts. What did you spot?

He's got a good slider and change up already that generates a good whiff rate. I think he could benefit from the Odorizzi approach with his fastball and raise it to the top of the zone instead of middle/outside to RH hitters.

 

He should probably ditch the 2 seam entirely and throw more sliders instead.

[tony&rodney]

Yes, as a candidate for the 5th spot in the rotation or similar to the plan for Perez last season. 

No, to giving up a prospect as good as Rooker but ok with someone lower. The Orioles are looking to unload those who were part of their losing season, especially those who cost money, i.e. Villar.

[Craig Arko]

Al or Ted?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Al or Ted?

Ted definitely. We need a new Killer nick name.

[Vanimal46]

Ted definitely. We need a new Killer nick name.

He may have some red flags on his personality but his talent certainly shadows those red flags! Love his cutter. Quick with a sneaky bite at the end.

[TopGunn#22]

You could look to acquire Bundy and Villar.  What's not to like about a 2B-man that hit .274  with 24 HR's  40 SB's and 111 runs scored ?  Move Araez to 3B and Sano to 1B.  Hit Araez and Villar 1 & 2 with Polanco, Cruz, Kepler, Garver, Sano, LF and Buxton.  (trade Eddie for Robbie Ray or Boyd).  

[AZTwin]

A lot of what I read on here are of things the Twins shouldn’t do. I say the Twins shouldn’t do this because Bundy has proven to be backend rotation guy, and the Twins have a number of prospects with elite stuff that should come up soon. Guys like Graterol, Duran and Balazovic should all debut in 2020. Then you have the next tier of guys who are ready like Dobnak and Smeltzer. Bundy would actually be ok in a relief role but I doubt you get him to buy in with that. I’d pass