Article: Twins Close To Acquiring LHP Jaime Garcia?

[nicksaviking]

Sounds like I might be alone, but I'm not expecting a soft tossing career NL'er to do well in a mid season trade to the AL. Particularly one who is barely average when he's at his best and has a walk rate trending in the wrong direction.

[Dman]

If it is for Garver I am hoping the deal falls through.  Giving up all those years of control of catcher who might actually be able to hit for an injury prone pitcher that is gone in three months is not a good deal.

 

If Atlanta pulls this off I want their front office to be our front office.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I'd be fine with JRM or Navaretto.. Garver or Rortvedt though.... no way.  Problem is that I highly doubt ATL would want those two.  Stewart, Jorge, Granite, Wade (that one would hurt but ultimately I'd accept that), Sleegers.  All of those guys I'd be fine shipping off.

[Willihammer]

 

Sounds like I might be alone, but I'm not expecting a soft tossing career NL'er to do well in a mid season trade to the AL. Particularly one who is barely average when he's at his best and has a walk rate trending in the wrong direction.

Yeah he's not exactly Darvish but you know, 2nd tier and whatnot.

[Han Joelo]

 

trading a low level prospect for 1/2 a year of a player is not a major trade. 

Please refer to your edition of the Twins Daily Primer of Explicit, Agreed Upon Definitions For Productive Discourse.  "Major" and "minor" are located on page 123, directly after where the definition of "Ace" ends.

 

Check that--"Blockbuster Trade" is on page 124.  

 

In all seriousness, though, I guess I see this as a deal where this FO really doesn't want to get fleeced by giving up the wrong lottery ticket.  I'm sure there are plenty of counter-arguments, but I immediately think of a Zach Wheeler for Beltran trade, or a Meija for a year-and a half of Nunez.

 

I have no idea who is actually being discussed, or if my point is even relevant--maybe it is all money and medicals.  But if they are haggling about the difference between Lewis Thorpe and Eduardo Del Rosario, that could be pretty "major" down the road.  Our opinions may vary when it comes to semantics.

 

[Dman]

 

I'd be fine with JRM or Navaretto.. Garver or Rortvedt though.... no way.  Problem is that I highly doubt ATL would want those two.  Stewart, Jorge, Granite, Wade (that one would hurt but ultimately I'd accept that), Sleegers.  All of those guys I'd be fine shipping off.

I agree with you.  I thought good catchers bought you more than paying all the salary of a rental.  If they are going to use Garver as trade chip then trade for something for the future don't just give him away.

 

If I were the Twins I would just stand pat.  Lower tier teams will be willing to dump for salary by August.  This guy is not a difference maker and looks like an injury risk to boot.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Please refer to your edition of the Twins Daily Primer of Explicit, Agreed Upon Definitions For Productive Discourse.  "Major" and "minor" are located on page 123, directly after where the definition of "Ace" ends.

 

Check that--"Blockbuster Trade" is on page 124.  

 

In all seriousness, though, I guess I see this as a deal where this FO really doesn't want to get fleeced by giving up the wrong lottery ticket.  I'm sure there are plenty of counter-arguments, but I immediately think of a Zach Wheeler for Beltran trade, or a Meija for a year-and a half of Nunez.

 

I have no idea who is actually being discussed, or if my point is even relevant--maybe it is all money and medicals.  But if they are haggling about the difference between Lewis Thorpe and Eduardo Del Rosario, that could be pretty "major" down the road.  Our opinions may vary when it comes to semantics.

 

I love this post. thank you.

[Craig Arko]

"2:35pm: Garcia will make his scheduled start for the Braves tonight against the Dodgers, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets.  Talks are still ongoing between the Braves and other teams about Garcia’s services, ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reports, so a late deal could still happen.  Aaron Blair was scratched from a minor league start yesterday and is in Los Angeles to make a spot outing should Garcia be scratched at the last minute."

 

[gunnarthor]

Well, sounds like this wasn't as much of a sure thing as expected.

[Craig Arko]

 

Well, sounds like this wasn't as much of a sure thing as expected.

The trade reporters have all turned into Dick Bremer on a fly ball.

[jud6312]

 

What is your opinion that you are trying to support?

Bottom third of 36 pitchers in a 15 team  means absolutely nothing given that the nl has used 127 starting pitchers By WAR he is 41. That looks better.  By any metric of pitchers starting 5 or mre games he is in the 40-50 range.  All any of it means is he has good days and bad ones, just like any league average pitcher.  1/3 of the games he stunk. 1/3 he was very good. That is better yhan the other 4/5 pitchers the Twins have thrown out there

Earlier I stated he was an average pitcher that they shouldn't give up much for and was given statistics from the Falvinites that show that he was above average. So I went back and found numbers that showed he was in the middle. That's it. He's an average pitcher that I don't want them to overpay for. End of story.

[nicksaviking]

Yeah he's not exactly Darvish but you know, 2nd tier and whatnot.

2nd tier sounds generous. He looks an awful lot like Hector Santiago to me.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Earlier I stated he was an average pitcher that they shouldn't give up much for and was given statistics from the Falvinites that show that he was above average. So I went back and found numbers that showed he was in the middle. That's it. He's an average pitcher that I don't want them to overpay for. End of story.

 

what does an average pitcher cost?

 

And, if you are upgrading from colon or Turley or Wilk or ????....average is a huge upgrade.

[jud6312]

 

what does an average pitcher cost?

 

And, if you are upgrading from colon or Turley or Wilk or ????....average is a huge upgrade.

To me, an average (if he's lucky) 2-month rental wouldn't be a worth a Top-20 prospect if picking up the majority or entirety of the remaining contract. Someone outside of there, fine, and adjust accordingly based on the money - but I wouldn't go above 15 for this particular rental.

[gunnarthor]

Sounds like the Twins are out of the Garcia sweepstakes.

 

[Puckett34]

 

The trade reporters have all turned into Dick Bremer on a fly ball.

On a Zach Granite fly ball

[Old Twins Cap]

Need to update Title with a question mark at this point.

[Pius Jefferson]

 

Sounds like the Twins are out of the Garcia sweepstakes.

 

 

Sweepstakes is being generous. He's more like winning a gold fish at a school carnival.

[bighat]

Kinda bummed. Would love to see the Twins pull a rabbit out of their hat and surprise us all with Sonny Gray! Abracadabra!

[Tom Froemming]

Anybody else worried this will make the Twins front office look bad around the league? Especially after Dozier to the Dodgers talks seemed to get pretty advanced before fizzling out. As a Twins fan, I'm certainly glad they're not accepting trades they don't feel comfortable with, but I just wonder if other teams would avoid working with a team that had a reputation of being difficult (not saying that's the case yet, just wondering).

[Richie the Rally Goat]

hmmm seems like the Braves are trying to squeeze more out of the Twins

[JustinCB]

 

Meh

[gunnarthor]

 

Anybody else worried this will make the Twins front office look bad around the league? Especially after Dozier to the Dodgers talks seemed to get pretty advanced before fizzling out. As a Twins fan, I'm certainly glad they're not accepting trades they don't feel comfortable with, but I just wonder if other teams would avoid working with a team that had a reputation of being difficult (not saying that's the case yet, just wondering).

Maybe. But I think Levine (who is certainly in charge of this) has a pretty good rep around the league. I certainly am not worried about him getting an AJ Preller reputation, for sure. But teams might think the Twins squeeze more than they should.

[USAFChief]

Clearly they're using their in-hand deal with Texas for Darvish as leverage to lower the price on Garcia.  Clearly.

[Craig Arko]

 

Anybody else worried this will make the Twins front office look bad around the league? Especially after Dozier to the Dodgers talks seemed to get pretty advanced before fizzling out. As a Twins fan, I'm certainly glad they're not accepting trades they don't feel comfortable with, but I just wonder if other teams would avoid working with a team that had a reputation of being difficult (not saying that's the case yet, just wondering).

Not at all.

[Dman]

I appreciate the FO getting out there and trying to find a deal.  I for one am glad they are not going to overpay for the kind of pitcher that will come much cheaper in the next three weeks.  Will be interesting to see what Atlanta gets.  They seem to be master traders always getting more value than they deserve.  Keep working Twins FO maybe a better deal is out there.

[Shaitan]

 

Anybody else worried this will make the Twins front office look bad around the league? Especially after Dozier to the Dodgers talks seemed to get pretty advanced before fizzling out. As a Twins fan, I'm certainly glad they're not accepting trades they don't feel comfortable with, but I just wonder if other teams would avoid working with a team that had a reputation of being difficult (not saying that's the case yet, just wondering).

No. 

 

GMs know each other and have real sources. We're just relying on the rumor mill.

[Guest]

It seems like Atlanta is trying to force the Twins to get Carmelo Anthony as a throw-in.

[USAFChief]

 

It seems like Atlanta is trying to force the Twins to get Carmelo Anthony as a throw-in.

Can he pitch the 7th inning?

[Dman]

 

Anybody else worried this will make the Twins front office look bad around the league? Especially after Dozier to the Dodgers talks seemed to get pretty advanced before fizzling out. As a Twins fan, I'm certainly glad they're not accepting trades they don't feel comfortable with, but I just wonder if other teams would avoid working with a team that had a reputation of being difficult (not saying that's the case yet, just wondering).

To be honest I am a little bit.  The thing is the Twins aren't in a great position to be buyers and currently don't have great assets to sell that won't impact the current team.  A team that is currently in contention. You have to be willing to have the resources to overpay if you are going to be a buyer at the deadline.  I think most GM's around the league realize the position the Twins are in but I do worry that when we come calling other GM's won't take us seriously.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Dman