Article: Twins Close To Acquiring LHP Jaime Garcia?

[AKTwins]

Turner plays for the Reds now

 

My bad. I would be really disappointed if it's Garver. I still John Ryan Murphy makes some sense. It wasn't that long ago he was considered a #1 catcher.

[snap4birds]

 

If they trade Stewart, he'll be the next David Ortiz.

Or Oswaldo Arcia.

[twinssouth]

Looking at the Braves top 30, they seem pretty deep with pitching prospects and Sickles agrees with this. I still think the Braves are wanting somebody close to MLB ready because of the new stadium they're in. They seem short on outfield prospects and 3rd base. Wouldn't surprise me they are looking for a Granite or Jorge or combo that may include a relief prospect.

[twinssouth]

Oh, the fun of speculating

[Mike Sixel]

I'm guessing Wade or Granite, personally. It fits their needs, I think. Garver is also likely.

 

I think they want someone close to the majors, given where they are in the process, and I don't think they want more pitchers.

[gunnarthor]

Wade for Garcia and a backend prospect (LEN reported that Atlanta might include a prospect) seems fair. 

 

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

FWIW, Garcia is scheduled to start for the Braves tonight (Friday) in LA vs. the Dodgers.

[FlauerPauer]

Mark Feinsand, mlb.com, is reporting that other teams are starting to get involved in Garcia talks. 

[Loosey]

 

Sorry to quibble, but isnt "bad" worse than "pretty bad"?

Being bad is just bad. But if you're pretty bad, at least you're pretty.

It depends on how the emphasis is put on "pretty".  

[bighat]

Not so fast gang.  Reports are that the deal may fall through.  "The Braves are reportedly talking to other teams about Jaime Garcia; Twins deal not complete."

[SF Twins Fan]

I'd be fine with Wade. I think he's going to be a solid MLB player, but the Twins have most of the outfield locked up with Buxton and Kepler (I'm not convinced with Rosario).  I also don't think the Twins can afford to trade any pitching prospect for a rental at this point.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Someone on the Braves chat site said they had some Twins related source that claimed it was a catcher.

I will be very disappointed if it is Garver. I know a lot of folks are content with Gimenez's .200 BA, as he is an interesting player, but Garver has an OPS of .912 this year. He has been hitting well all year. He's also played some 1B and OF.

If he were primarily an outfielder with those stats there are several posters here who would have spent some energy insisting that Rosario be replaced by him.

 

Navarretto was the guy pulled last night. I'd be perfectly fine if it was him. I'm not sure the Twins should be trading catchers, but that's a different issue.

[PDX Twin]

 

If they trade Stewart, he'll be the next David Ortiz.

 

He may strike out just as often, but I'll be shocked if he hits that many home runs.

[bluechipper]

 

Navarretto was the guy pulled last night. I'd be perfectly fine if it was him. I'm not sure the Twins should be trading catchers, but that's a different issue.

That would be great, but I doubt he has much value despite the very good defense.

[Mike Sixel]

 

It depends on how the emphasis is put on "pretty".  

 

Agreed.

[old nurse]

 

Nope, just an assumption based on watching baseball for 30 years. Established starters don't go for nothing, nor should they.

Atlanta essentially gave up nothing to get Garcia

[twinssouth]

Mark Feinsand, mlb.com, is reporting that other teams are starting to get involved in Garcia talks.

 

 

 

 

Well, if that's the case, how much value do the Braves place on the Twins farm system compared to others and how high are they trying to drive up the price. Personally, the highest I'd go is a Wade, Burdi combo type. Not excited about giving up Granite

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

That would be great, but I doubt he has much value despite the very good defense.

 

He was an HS draftee too, so he's young (22), a good defender, and young for his league. Interestingly enough, his bat was considered to be his most promising asset. Definitely a prospect in that sense, but not one that I see the Twins really missing so to speak either. Garver should be in long term plans, and Rortvedt has a very high ceiling. JRM would certainly be one I'd jettison as well. 

 

Personally though, JRM or Navaretto seems a bit too lite of a return, especially if Atlanta is sending someone back as well. I just don't see it being either of them, and that is a bit more concerning to me.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Rookie mistake, letting this leak before it was final.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Rookie mistake, letting this leak before it was final.

 

Are we sure ATL didn't leak first? I would.....

[Dman]

Personally I am fine if they don't get this done.  I don't want them to overpay for a guy that they control for three months for a team that is highly unlikely WS bound.  Let another team overpay.

[Loosey]

 

I doubt the Reds would appreciate Falvey trading Turner.

If he can get Garcia for Turner Falvey deserves GM of the year/ever . . . 

 

 

[Willihammer]

 

Personally I am fine if they don't get this done.  I don't want them to overpay for a guy that they control for three months for a team that is highly unlikely WS bound.  Let another team overpay.

Well, Levine said just a couple weeks ago that he wasn't inclined to spend "lavishly" for short term assets, which is what Garcia would be. So I wouldn't fret about an overpay.

[Willihammer]

Braves talking to other teams anyways.

Wonder if JP balked at the $5m price tag.

[Dman]

 

Well, Levine said just a couple weeks ago that he wasn't inclined to spend "lavishly" for short term assets, which is what Garcia would be. So I wouldn't fret about an overpay.

It is just that when other teams get involved then bidding wars can start and suddenly getting the guy you want becomes more important than the price.  I hope that isn't the case in this deal.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Braves talking to other teams anyways.

Wonder if JP balked at the $5m price tag.

 

if so, they should shut down right now. I hope not.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Are we sure ATL didn't leak first? I would.....

Maybe. If so, the proper Twins response is: "not interested."

[Mike Sixel]

 

Maybe. If so, the proper Twins response is: "not interested."

 

why? Why give up on a negotiation if you want the player over that? We see leaks every day, it's part of the game.

[kab21]

One question has already been answered even if this trade doesn't go through. The Twins will indeed pick up salary in a trade. 

Trading for a rental doesn't exactly go against what Falvey/Levine said earlier this month. They aren't emptying the farm system on this trade. That is the rental they were talking about. They are removing one of Colon/Gibson (it's Colon) from the rotation and that is an absolutely necessary step for any .500 or better team. And it is using lesser prospects (not top prospects). Obviously they will have to send someone with potential in the deal.

Navaretto (or comically Turner) certainly aren't part of this deal. Navaretto has multiple years of <.600 OPS on his resume. That isn't decent in any definition. 

Lamonte Wade seems reasonable to me. Good prospect but lacks upside (corner OF with below average power) and is a position of depth. Perhaps Blankenhorn. Granite would be an interesting case. Good time to sell high imo since he isn't this good (AAA numbers) although this would be steep just for Garcia. Garver would be frustrating since all he has done is hit at every level. Rortvedt also seems reasonable. He has upside but he is years away and most likely never makes the majors.

 

But at the end of the day I really hope this trade gets done for a top 15ish prospect since Garcia is a competent starter and replaces an ocean of diarrhea in at least one of the rotation spots.

[old nurse]

 

And his ERA+ is exactly the league average of 100, and in virtually every statistical category he's in the bottom half to bottom third among the 36 qualifying NL pitchers.

 

See, it's easy to cherry pick numbers to support an opinion.

What is your opinion that you are trying to support?

Bottom third of 36 pitchers in a 15 team  means absolutely nothing given that the nl has used 127 starting pitchers By WAR he is 41. That looks better.  By any metric of pitchers starting 5 or mre games he is in the 40-50 range.  All any of it means is he has good days and bad ones, just like any league average pitcher.  1/3 of the games he stunk. 1/3 he was very good. That is better yhan the other 4/5 pitchers the Twins have thrown out there