Offseason Primer: Twins Need to Be Prepared to Pivot from Buxton and Sano

I think you need to include Kepler in "those showing no signs of progress".

This. Hurts... Badly, it hurts. I am not ready to punt on Buxton-Sano. They need at least two more years. There is no other future at third base and Buxton's defense is enough alone to play him every day.

Wouldn't signing Escobar be a perfect answer to the question you raised?  If Sano needs to be on the bench half or two-thirds of the time, EE could step in at third as he did this past summer.  Adrianza at second or short isn't ideal, but also not a total void in the lineup.  So their goal during the off season should be to have someone at Rochester ready to move into a utility role should Adrianza be needed as a starter.

This. Hurts... Badly, it hurts. I am not ready to punt on Buxton-Sano. They need at least two more years. There is no other future at third base and Buxton's defense is enough alone to play him every day.

Not if his OPS is south  of .600.

It seems like the Aaron Hicks message has not been received here.  Buxton and Sano need to step up, but giving up on them too soon and selling low is a recipe for disaster.  It is also a good way to get fired.  If these two players do not produce, we are back to a rebuild in place if not worse.

Tom's statement, "If the Twins intend to be contenders in 2019" is a key point to consider.

The roster that was put together in 2018, with several short-term free agent contracts to veteran players, was an obvious attempt by the front office to bridge a gap while young major leaguers matured, minor leaguers developed, and large contracts came off the books. But I suspect that contention in 2019 was not the goal of that strategy, rather, I think the club was looking at 2018 and 2019 as "competitive" years with 2020 as a contention year.

2018 became a disappointing, non-competitive year when the free agents didn't perform as expected and the young major leaguers lost time due to injury and suspension. Now the best that can be hoped for in 2019 is a development year for the youngsters. That means lots of at bats for an every-day outfield of Rosario, Buxton, and Kepler. Polanco shifting to second base to see how his glove will play there. Sano and Austin splitting time at first base and DH. Any plan that leaves Buxton on the bench until the late innings minimizes his true value as a player, which is helping out the pitchers and his fellow outfielders (and infielders!) by providing platinum glove level fielding for nine innings.

I will also take the opposite side of Tom's argument that there's nothing wrong with putting Sano on the bench if he starts the season slumping. As long as he is physically able, he belongs in the lineup, primarily as a DH. In his first year with the club, he provided plenty of value of the DH spot. I would argue that moving him around the diamond since then has taken away from his focus on hitting.

Grossman and Cave have done all they can to fill in where needed. I've got no complaints about their effort or character. I just don't see either of them as a starting-caliber DH or outfielder on a contending team. And with 25-man roster spots for position players so scarce these days, I don't see how you can keep carrying players with little positional flexibility. Maybe you can carry Cave as a lefty swinging DH/1B/OF for platoon purposes.

I have no idea what Buxton's and/or Sano's plans are for the off season but they had best show up next February ready to reassert that they belong in the Major Leagues. This has nothing to do with talent. It has everything to do with attitude and desire and physical/mental makeup. I have no idea about Buxton's background but its easy to believe that Sano could be very comfortable going back to his home country and playing the rock star role. Maybe he doesn't have the makeup to face bases loaded 2 outs tying run on second base for the rest of his young adult life. This needs to be resolved by their performance and only their performance and the Twins need to head north next March with the decision made. Unfortunately, I think they both have fragile physical and mental makeups. Who ever heard of a player going on the DL with headaches and then fouling a ball off his toe in a rehab game and missing the entire season? Sano seems to be too big for his physical frame makeup and will remain injury prone.

This is depressing but accurate. 

You cannot count on those two next year. They have to have a plan that involves neither of them realizing their potential. I don't know what that is (Buxton, at least, could serve as a defensive replacement/pinch runner ... Sano? Don't know). But they can't count on them.

That said, a healthy and productive Byron Buxton is literally the difference between contention and non-contention. He is, what, a 7-10 WAR player if he does what he should for the full year? That would have kept the Twins in contention around the trade deadline and would have kept the Twins from trading Escobar, Dozier, etc., and instead the team maybe acquires a piece or two. Given the weak teams the Twins faced at the end of the year they would have had a legitimate shot at Cleveland.

I'm convinced of it. But the fact that this one, single player could have had that much of an impact is clear evidence that this team needs to have a different plan. 

These two disappointments have put the organization between a rock and a hard place. Their talent is just too immense, in both cases, to do anything but attempt to identify and remove every performance obstacle you can and put them back out there for one last try. Because if they perform remotely close to expectations, they totally transform this team into contenders IMO. As long as the players demonstrate an intense willingness to succeed through their actions and behavior (I remain skeptical about Sano in that regard), you have to "count" on them for 2019 and move on after that if they fail you again. This team is going nowhere in 2019 without them, BOTH of them. I don't know how much of the problem is between the ears for either of them, but it doesn't matter. Whatever the problems are, you either solve them or move on after this year. As for how much leash to give them? You make a judgment call.

My guess is part of the decision-making that's taken place so far (Chad Allen, Molitor, et al) is about finding some new eyes to focus on this, because solving it is THE game-changer for this club.

Agree on Buxton and Sano.  They're always hurt too.  Buxton's injuries are understandable because of the way he plays.  I can't say that for Sano.  Sano needs to start in AAA, and I'd probably only bring Buxton in for defense at the end of a game, or base running.  

I'd take Cave over Kepler, and if Austin is in the lineup too, I think it improves the Twins against the Yanks. 

As far as who replaces Sano, I want Escobar.

Sano and Buxton are dirt cheap players. Yes, the Twins should NOT be dependent upon them. The two of them should be supplementing (and continuing to learn from) other good players who are being paid what they are worth.

This doesn't mean Sano and Buxton are not important parts of the team, cornerstones of the foundation and the future. It means that with the two of them and their low salaries, you can pick up other people too.

I concur with Frank that the key sentence (clause) is “if the Twins intend on competing in 2019”. I’m not sure if the new FO intended to tear this team down to the studs. Nor do I know if they have imposed some kind of internal clock.

Also, even if the Twins repeated with 85 wins, I think they would have ended up 12 games out of a wild card berth. I don’t think 85 wins equals competitive.

The Twins are building towards the Future. They have to be looking at who will be playing for them in 2020 and 2021.

The Big Three right now: Buxton, Kepler, Sano.

Sano. Where does he play. 1st Base or DH or both, of keep him at third (but until when). 

Buxton was injured. Yes. But he also wasn't hitting. The Twins had hitting coach James Rowson. Plus Buxton could call upon the services of Oliva, Carew and Torii Hunter. Not to mention the hitting skills of Paul Molitor. What is going wrong.

Kepler is just fine IF you are getting bigger production elsewhere. He shows some punch, hasn't settled into who he hits best against totally. You do want a better all around guy, sure.

The bigger question on all three of the above is what to do if they put together a premiere season in 2019. Do they become tradebait and someone else's problem for a long-term contract (Sell Soon, Future Payback) or do the Twins extend.

Do the Twins push rookies like Gordon? Will they add Wiel and Arraez to the 40-man. Can they fit into the mix in 2019?

Cave and Grossman will both be here in some capacity in 2019 because of cost and they pretty much earned a chance to stay and why throw money at more one-year contracts of free agents.

But right now 2019 is looking at a rebuilding year. 2020 is also a time we might see some of the guys at A+ ball from the last season. 2021 the Twins might be making a BIG free agent plunge. 2022 is when they should be winning fer sure.

Ugh? Well, that's baseball.

It's a provocative point, but I just can't agree. If Buxton and Sano don't perform in 2019, the Twins will not be contending in 2019. Period, full stop. There's just no way a contingency plan for these two struggling next year can be strong enough to produce a playoff berth.

The problem is that they have nothing to fall back onto if these two don't perform. There's no veterans left to rely on to carry team with some of their solid young players and there's nothing in the system in triple A or double A that can be called up. This leaves us to looking at DFA of young players to try and find somebody that maybe can perform. Also some of the options like Cave the jury are still out on too. The next big problem is that this front office has lost any creditability with players with moves they have made with Buxton and Sano I don't think they have found way to communicate with him I think he should have been here much sooner as player when he was younger and more willing to follow a mentor. I believe Sano was held back because of service time to control his best years but they have missed that period.

I think the Twins are soon reaching point where they are sinking ship and all hands want off the ship. I just think were going to be choice of last resort for players around the majors and even then its going to be hard to sign talent. This Front Office may know all the analytics but I believe they lack skills to handling real people and getting players feeling they believe in them and also getting them to believe in what they are trying to get done. That is one thing I remember of Terry Ryan the players respected him even after they moved on they have spoke highly of him. So far I haven't heard this of this front office and silence speaks very loudly on this matter. I believe Ruesse this club is in total tear down mode and they are going to tank next year and year after. We are not going to be in contention unless you look at it from point of if we can be one of the worst to get one of the first draft picks. I am waiting for ownership to address the public come clean this is the plan and if ownership doesn't know this were even worse shape than I thought. 

Why worry about Buxton and the OF when our system is already covers that pretty well, our biggest worry should be our razor thin depth at the hot corner because it’s just flat out reality that Sano won’t be the long term solution at 3rd base (1st/DH is inevitable).

I think it MIGHT be time we admit the fact that Sano is never going to play the field. And I also think it might be time to admit that Buxton will never hit. 

It was plain as day the first week he was up, that Buxton possesses little to no hitting skills. He just doesn't. I don't know how scouts could have missed on this guy so bad, he has no clue at the plate. 

Sano needs to just focus on hitting and not worry about playing the field. DH him and be done with it. Take the extra reps at the plate and become one of the best hitters of this generation. All he does is get hurt when he plays in the field anyway. 

If it were me, I would work on Buxton bunting the damn ball, hitting it into the ground, and stealing bases. He will never hit for power the way he is constantly guessing up there. This isn't Rickey Henderson here, he's very similar to that guy the Royals had a few years ago that could run like hell and field, but not much else. 

I honestly hope I am wrong here, but if what we have seen so far is any indication, this might the road to take. It sucks, but these guys probably have 1 year left of full time player status and then its time to move a different direction.

All of that said. There is NO WAY I give up and trade these guys or release them. We have seen it happen too many times and even as bit players, these guys are plenty valuable. Keep them around. But be prepared if it doesn't happen this year to move from them being your cornerstones.

This. Hurts... Badly, it hurts. I am not ready to punt on Buxton-Sano. They need at least two more years. There is no other future at third base and Buxton's defense is enough alone to play him every day.

Pardon my french, but no f-ing way do I let them struggle for two MORE years before pulling the plug. Two more years and both will have 2000 plus at bats. That is more than enough to judge whether or not they can cut it at the MLB level.