The Trade Route

[bustedstuff88]

Ive heard rumblings of the Twins swinging a trade with the Tigers for a big name pitcher, and I have to assume it would be Boyd.

 

Anyone else heard anything of this?

 

Inter-division trades, I know....but if we cant get any FA to take our money, we may have to just go down this path to obtaining talent. 

 

 

[ScooterDance]

from whence cometh these rumblings?

[bustedstuff88]

 

from whence cometh these rumblings?

 

Strictly word of mouth...I cant lend any particular credence. It was just brought up and I got to thinking about the sense it might make, and that happened to be alot.

 

Maybe im still just sore over the Twins not getting Wheeler

[Musk21]

You might be referring to this article from ESPN that states:

 

"We dream up one blockbuster signing or trade for every team"

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28211999/one-blockbuster-move-all-30-mlb-teams

 

Detroit Tigers trade LHP Matthew Boyd and RHP Buck Farmer to the Minnesota Twins for OF Trevor Larnach, LHP Lewis Thorpe and RHP Zack Littell

[bustedstuff88]

 

You might be referring to this article from ESPN that states:

 

"We dream up one blockbuster signing or trade for every team"

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28211999/one-blockbuster-move-all-30-mlb-teams

 

Detroit Tigers trade LHP Matthew Boyd and RHP Buck Farmer to the Minnesota Twins for OF Trevor Larnach, LHP Lewis Thorpe and RHP Zack Littell

 

Yep this could absolutely be it....

 

But since it still seems to make a bit of sense, what do you guys think of the idea?

 

[gunnarthor]

 

You might be referring to this article from ESPN that states:

 

"We dream up one blockbuster signing or trade for every team"

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28211999/one-blockbuster-move-all-30-mlb-teams

 

Detroit Tigers trade LHP Matthew Boyd and RHP Buck Farmer to the Minnesota Twins for OF Trevor Larnach, LHP Lewis Thorpe and RHP Zack Littell

I don't think Boyd is as good as last year showed but that's not that steep a price for him. I'd make that trade.

[Tomj14]

 

I don't think Boyd is as good as last year showed but that's not that steep a price for him. I'd make that trade.

agreed, it just means that they have another full-time bullpen guy to replace and another that is likely on the shuttle train to AAA.

[ashbury]

Except in the unlikely event the Tigers were dangling prospect Casey Mize, I can't say I'd be interested in any of their wares.

[twinkiesfan11]

You might be referring to this article from ESPN that states:

 

"We dream up one blockbuster signing or trade for every team"

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28211999/one-blockbuster-move-all-30-mlb-teams

 

Detroit Tigers trade LHP Matthew Boyd and RHP Buck Farmer to the Minnesota Twins for OF Trevor Larnach, LHP Lewis Thorpe and RHP Zack Littell

Puke and pass

[Doctor Wu]

At this point ANY additions to the starting rotation will be welcome. Not sure if this is the one the Twins need to make, but I think acquiring a pitcher by trade is more likely to happen than a free agent signing.

[prouster]

I’m not wild about Boyd. I think they should check in with Tampa about Blake Snell. Tampa is a contending team, but they have done some unexpected things in the past to save money. They should also get on the phone with Atlanta to see if the Hamels signing has made any of their young pitchers available.

[Battle ur tail off]

Our top 4-5 guys are out of the picture, most likely. They are untouchable. So if a trade is made, you will get the same kind of value back that you are willing to give up. 

 

If a trade is made, expect it to be for a bounce back candidate, or innings eating #4-5 starter type. On top of that, there aren't a ton of teams willing to move their #1 or 2 guy to begin with before the season, no matter what the offer. 

[Twins33]

The Tigers don’t have any “big name” pitchers.

 

That being said, I wouldn’t mind Boyd. I’d have a hard time giving up Larnach though. I like him just as much as Kirilloff. I’d give him up for someone better than Boyd though. Who that could be, I don’t know, and the hypothetical better pitcher probably isn’t available.

[Mike Sixel]

It's going to be hard to find an elite pitcher in trade. When other teams have done it, they've usually acquired them as minor league players, and helped them become elite. The Twins don't have time for that in 2020........

 

Pretty much scratch off any playoff team, and any team that wants to be a playoff team (Angels, Reds, AZ, White Sox, among others) in the next year or two.....

 

Who does that leave to trade with, and what great pitcher do they have that the Twins can feel confident about pitching well in 2020? 

[The Wise One]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1193926684497461254

 

In terns of what to give up, Boyd has 647 IP with one stretch of 80 IP being good, the rest look to be that of a 4/5 starter, that shouldn't be a steep price. Kohl Stewart and Hildenberger should be enough, Maybe  throw in Gonsalves, 

[Mike Sixel]

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1193926684497461254

 

In terns of what to give up, Boyd has 647 IP with one stretch of 80 IP being good, the rest look to be that of a 4/5 starter, that shouldn't be a steep price. Kohl Stewart and Hildenberger should be enough, Maybe  throw in Gonsalves, 

 

So, three guys that are no longer on the roster?

[jorgenswest]

Makes me wondering how the Indians built their staff with Falvey involved at some level of baseball operations from 2009-2016.

 

I think they acquired Kluber and Clevenger in minor trades and developed their talent.

 

They traded a big piece in Shoo in a multi team trade for Bauer but Bauer was not ready yet.

 

Bieber, Plesac and Civale were all drafted in 2016.

 

In all cases though they really developed their pitching. They didn’t trade for aces. They didn’t sign free agents.

 

I wonder if I would have felt some of the same frustration then as an Indian fan as many are expressing here. It is hard to trust development.

[Mike Sixel]

Makes me wondering how the Indians built their staff with Falvey involved at some level of baseball operations from 2009-2016.

 

I think they acquired Kluber and Clevenger in minor trades and developed their talent.

 

They traded a big piece in Shoo in a multi team trade for Bauer but Bauer was not ready yet.

 

Bieber, Plesac and Civale were all drafted in 2016.

 

In all cases though they really developed their pitching. They didn’t trade for aces. They didn’t sign free agents.

 

I wonder if I would have felt some of the same frustration then as an Indian fan as many are expressing here. It is hard to trust development.

Development takes time.... Which is fine if your hitters aren't ready....

[jud6312]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that isn't wild about Boyd. Not that I wouldn't take him, I just think last year may have been an anomaly and giving up Larnach, Thorpe, and Littell would be a lot for what could really easily be a #5.

[BK432]

 

So, three guys that are no longer on the roster?

 

That really IS a good trade!!!           

[70charger]

 

So, three guys that are no longer on the roster?

 

I could assume that was a tongue-in-cheek way of saying "don't make a deal for Boyd," but that would preclude me from suggesting that we also include Duensing, so...

[cmoss84]

This thread was Tiger/Matthew Boyd related, but wanted to see who else might be out there. Tough coming up with a list of realistic trade candidates. Here's what I got. 

 

Robbie Ray-Arizona has him under control for the upcoming year only. They are kind of in the middle of going for it/rebuilding. Going to take a big haul. Worth it for one year? Could we extend him? ($10.8M in 2020)

 

Jon Lester-2 years and $40 mil left. Pretty gross. But if a trade could include Kris Bryant = worth it. 

 

Jon Gray-cheap, under control for 2 more years. Another guy that's going to cost a haul. 

 

Kyle Freeland-was terrible last year. Bounce back candidate? Cheap, under control for 3 years. 

 

Danny Duffy-basically has 2 years/$30 mil left. Again, pretty gross...especially for a 3 or 4.

 

Sandy Alcantara-What is Miami doing? Nobody knows. Gallen would have been sweet. Do they sell off Alcantara as well? 4 years of cheap control. Worth Kiriloff? 

 

Vince Velazquez-cheap and under control for 2 years. Has Philly had enough of him? Who knows. 

 

Chris Archer-2 years/$20 mil left. Will Ptt try to salvage something for Archer? They probably should. 

 

Johnny Cueto-Seems like he has been around forever, but is still only 33. 3 years/$64 mil. Yikes. But could probably be had for cheap. 

 

Joe Ross-only 26. Cheap. 2 more years of control. 

[howeda7]

I would have been intrigued by making a trade for Archer before we signed Pineda. We need a solid #1/2, not a flyer on a 3/4 at this point.

[strumdatjaguar]

Blake Snell just blew up at the Rays for the Tommy Pham trade.   Would be nice for the Twins to find a way to swing a trade for Snell!  I know that he had some injury problems last year (arthro surgery on elbow).

[tony&rodney]

The Twins are sitting pretty with their Odorizzi, Pineda, Avila signings and sit around $100M. There should be about $40M left. Sign Cole.

If they cannot sign Cole, sign someone like Wood & Teheran. But this is about trades so ...

Pittsburgh is willing to trade Marte and Archer. What is a reasonable return. Larnach, Cave, Thorpe, Gordon, Javier, and Rijo? We have no idea but if the Twins cannot sign a Big Boy then they will need to trade.

What about Boston - Rosario and Gonzalez plus Gordon, Baddoo, Duran, and Enlow for Betts and Price plus $15M a year relief on Price? 

My choice is Cole for 7/245 and include an opt out after two years.

What other trade ideas are out there?

[FlauerPauer]

From the list that @cmoss84 provided, I'd make the Gray trade (2 top 15 and a top 30 and 1 or 2 low A arms) and Robbie Ray trade (2 12-20, flyer) with the idea of extending him 2-3 years. If the asking price is low on Velazquez (20-30 prospect range kinda guy. Similar to the Odorizzi trade), I'd take a flyer on him as well.

 

Berrios

Gray

Ray

Odorizzi

Pineda/Velazquez

 

Velazquez can be swing guy/long man out of the pen and provide starts while Pineda is out. If Velazquez flops, you do what you wish him in terms of roster spot. Now that's a rotation that I'd feel comfortable going to the playoffs with if we're expecting similar results from 2019. Maybe it's still not competing with the Yankees, but Gray and Ray can both strike guys out. It'll be interesting to see what happens between now and February.

[jorgenswest]

At baseball trade values the Twins can match Gray with a package of Graterol and Gordon or a package of Larnach and Balazovic.

 

Ray’s value would match a Balazovic and Gordon deal.

 

Every time I go there it seems like the Twins are on the bad end of the deal. I acknowledge I have a little bias going in.

[rdehring]

There is a good chance if it is by trade it is a trade similar to the Odorizzi trade.  We would obtain a good starting pitcher none of us have thought about, someone similar to Odor two years ago.  We would give up a prospect, or two, without either being Top 10 in our system.  It will appear to most of us to not be the big move we were expecting, hoping for.  Others will be very disappointed at the front office failing, again.  

 

When the season arrives, they would have a starter who can slide in to their Top 4 as an equal talent to the three we have.  Don't have a clue who this could be, probably someone I have never heard of...but I don't follow most teams so it could be someone many of you are more familiar with.

 

Just don't see this front office giving up two or three of our top half dozen prospects for one starter who may be here for two years.  I really see them working to build a team that will be competitive most years for the next decade or longer.  

 

When we look at teams like Cleveland, who seem to bring up one great young starter after another, you don't do that in two or three years.  So it is doubtful we will see that run of young studs arriving this year, unless one of the four who was up late last season surprises us, big time. 

 

If we look at the starters they brought in at the 2018 trade deadline, there is nearly a half dozen who COULD develop into that type of starter and begin arriving late next year or the following year.  Combine that with better drafting could turn the Twins into such an organization, it just takes time. 

[prouster]

This thread was Tiger/Matthew Boyd related, but wanted to see who else might be out there. Tough coming up with a list of realistic trade candidates. Here's what I got.

 

Robbie Ray-Arizona has him under control for the upcoming year only. They are kind of in the middle of going for it/rebuilding. Going to take a big haul. Worth it for one year? Could we extend him? ($10.8M in 2020)

 

Jon Lester-2 years and $40 mil left. Pretty gross. But if a trade could include Kris Bryant = worth it.

 

Jon Gray-cheap, under control for 2 more years. Another guy that's going to cost a haul.

 

Kyle Freeland-was terrible last year. Bounce back candidate? Cheap, under control for 3 years.

 

Danny Duffy-basically has 2 years/$30 mil left. Again, pretty gross...especially for a 3 or 4.

 

Sandy Alcantara-What is Miami doing? Nobody knows. Gallen would have been sweet. Do they sell off Alcantara as well? 4 years of cheap control. Worth Kiriloff?

 

Vince Velazquez-cheap and under control for 2 years. Has Philly had enough of him? Who knows.

 

Chris Archer-2 years/$20 mil left. Will Ptt try to salvage something for Archer? They probably should.

 

Johnny Cueto-Seems like he has been around forever, but is still only 33. 3 years/$64 mil. Yikes. But could probably be had for cheap.

 

Joe Ross-only 26. Cheap. 2 more years of control.

You mention Gray and Freeland—I’m wondering if a different Colorado pitcher would be available. I’m talking about German Marquez. He’s significantly younger than both with a much better track record already. He would cost an arm and a leg, but he’s young, controllable, and very good. He’s the kind of arm the Twins should be targeting. It’s probably not a very realistic idea given that the Rockies just extended him. Just thought I’d bring him up.

 

I mentioned Snell in a different post, and someone else mentioned he’s apparently steamed at the Pham trade. I’d give up a top prospect for him.

[sthpstm]

I'm surpised by the number of people who aren't (very) interested in Matthew Boyd. He does need to rediscover another secondary pitch but starters who can strike out over 11 per 9 are pretty uncommon and his walks are low. His swinging strike was great. I think if you get him out of Detroit and there terrible team, and put him with the Twins, their development team and Wes Johnson, it's not hard to envision a number 1 starter. I would definitely push hard for him, even if a trade within the division can be difficult. The other bonus is the Tigers should be looking for offense to pair with their AA starters and I think the Twins can afford to start their package with Larnach or perhaps even Kirilloff. They just have to make sure the keep the one they want long term.