Cubs interested in Luis Arraez?

[darin617]

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Not sure why the Twins would be interested in moving Arraez. He is cheap and can't become a free agent until 2025. You would not trade him unless you were blown away big time.

[Squirrel]

 

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Not sure why the Twins would be interested in moving Arraez. He is cheap and can't become a free agent until 2025. You would not trade him unless you were blown away big time.

Unless it brings us back Kris Bryant? Of course that won't be a straight up trade (or likely trade at all), but ... I'd listen.

[darin617]

I don't think I would be interested in Bryant. Only a couple of years left and he would become a free agent. Also the fact of that grievance he filed against the Cubs. He most likely becomes a FA even sooner when he wins it. And his agent is Scott Boras.

 

 

[Squirrel]

 

I don't think I would be interested in Bryant. Only a couple of years left and he would become a free agent. Also the fact of that grievance he filed against the Cubs. He most likely becomes a FA even sooner when he wins it. And his agent is Scott Boras.

I would take a couple of years of Bryant for the right price. As I said ... you listen to offers, and if the right one comes along ...

 

Not sure what that would be with something involving Arraez, but, I'd listen.

[Major League Ready]

A trade of Arraez for Yu Darvish take 21.5M off the books for the Cubs who seem very reluctant to exceed the Luxury tax.

[rdehring]

No, No and Hell No.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Sano and Arraez for Bryant and Darvish?????

 

Now that would be a blockbuster!

[Vanimal46]

No one should be untouchable... Let's not get blinded by less than 400 MLB PAs like several did with the Turtle last winter.

 

I'm intrigued trading with the Cubs...

[prouster]

If Darvish is on the table, color me intrigued. Arraez ran a pretty high BABIP last year...

[USAFChief]

 

A trade of Arraez for Yu Darvish take 21.5M off the books for the Cubs who seem very reluctant to exceed the Luxury tax.

Done.

[diehardtwinsfan]

The question I always ask for these types of things is who do we have to replace Arraez... That would be Nick Gordon or Adrianza... I'm not ready to crown either as the 2020 starting 2B... and I'm guessing most wouldn't be too excited about bringing back Schoop on a 1 year make good deal.

 

Now that said, Arraez should be a pretty vaulable asset, and if he brought back high end pitching, I'd certainly listen. 

[Vanimal46]

The question I always ask for these types of things is who do we have to replace Arraez... That would be Nick Gordon or Adrianza... I'm not ready to crown either as the 2020 starting 2B... and I'm guessing most wouldn't be too excited about bringing back Schoop on a 1 year make good deal.

 

Now that said, Arraez should be a pretty vaulable asset, and if he brought back high end pitching, I'd certainly listen.

Schoop did his job as a placeholder until Arraez got red hot. What's wrong with doing the same thing in 2020? If Arraez was traded...

[Major League Ready]

 

The question I always ask for these types of things is who do we have to replace Arraez... That would be Nick Gordon or Adrianza... I'm not ready to crown either as the 2020 starting 2B... and I'm guessing most wouldn't be too excited about bringing back Schoop on a 1 year make good deal.

 

Now that said, Arraez should be a pretty vaulable asset, and if he brought back high end pitching, I'd certainly listen. 

We have a lot of infield depth so it's much easier to cover the trade for Arraez than it is to come up with good SPs. 

[dex8425]

I like Arraez but there's several guys on the Cubs I'd take if they really want Arraez. Contreras? Done. Darvish? Done.  Bryant? Done.  Do they want to shed Lester's salary? I don't really want Lester but if they throw in someone else...

 

I'm sure it involves multiple pieces. 

[Mike Sixel]

For either Darvish or Bryant without hesitation. I'd have to think about others.

[darin617]

 

The question I always ask for these types of things is who do we have to replace Arraez... That would be Nick Gordon or Adrianza... I'm not ready to crown either as the 2020 starting 2B... and I'm guessing most wouldn't be too excited about bringing back Schoop on a 1 year make good deal.

 

Now that said, Arraez should be a pretty vaulable asset, and if he brought back high end pitching, I'd certainly listen. 

That would be get Polanco out of SS and move him to 2nd and find a good defensive SS. That would improve the team. It would also depend if Darvish is the target how much of the remaining 81M for 4 years could we get the Cubs to eat? It would be nice to get them to eat 25-30M.

[Major League Ready]

 

For either Darvish or Bryant without hesitation. I'd have to think about others.

 

I right with you. Why give up Arreaz unless it's a great fit. As I understand it, Bryant's grievance could mean that it would only be 1 year of team control. No way would I give up Arraez for 1 year of Bryant so I doubt they consider Bryant until that grievance is settled.

[Squirrel]

 

No one should be untouchable... Let's not get blinded by less than 400 MLB PAs like several did with the Turtle last winter.

I'm intrigued trading with the Cubs...

I'm not sure we make good trade partners, though ... they are looking for pitching as are we. But ... who knows? One of my friends who is a huge Cubs fan thinks they will be trading with the Padres. We'll see ... I can never prognosticate these things.

[Mike Sixel]

I right with you. Why give up Arreaz unless it's a great fit. As I understand it, Bryant's grievance could mean that it would only be 1 year of team control. No way would I give up Arraez for 1 year of Bryant so I doubt they consider Bryant until that grievance is settled.

Agreed on the one year thing. For two years of Bryant, yes. For one year? No.

[Tomj14]

 

Schoop did his job as a placeholder until Arraez got red hot. What's wrong with doing the same thing in 2020? If Arraez was traded...

Twins would improve at 3rd and 1st (sano) and downgrade a bit at second. I take that, not sure i wan't Schoop to be that 2B, but if he is willing to so the same next with Gordon as he did with Arraez, I would be fine with that.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Schoop did his job as a placeholder until Arraez got red hot. What's wrong with doing the same thing in 2020? If Arraez was traded...

 

I wouldn't be against it personally, but it's worth noting that this will weaken the team unless you believe Schoop's performance decline was injury related. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

I wouldn't be against it personally, but it's worth noting that this will weaken the team unless you believe Schoop's performance decline was injury related. 

 

It will weaken 2B....but they will have added Darvish or Bryant....not sure the team is weaker overall.

 

I think Gordon will be ready this summer. If Lewis is the stud everyone believes, he might be ready to come up this year at some point. 

 

If they have to downgrade at 2B (offensively) to add Darvish, I'm all in.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

It will weaken 2B....but they will have added Darvish or Bryant....not sure the team is weaker overall.

 

I think Gordon will be ready this summer. If Lewis is the stud everyone believes, he might be ready to come up this year at some point. 

 

If they have to downgrade at 2B (offensively) to add Darvish, I'm all in.

 

yeah, I think Darvish would be the guy to get. His health makes me a bit nervous though... Bryant would be great if he loses his grievance. I certainly wouldn't complain. 

[gcg2016]

 

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Not sure why the Twins would be interested in moving Arraez. He is cheap and can't become a free agent until 2025. You would not trade him unless you were blown away big time.

 

I would expect the Cubs are not dangling any pitcher save maybe Lester (who can be bought out for 10M after this year).  Most likely this would be a trade involving Contreras or Bryant.  And there is no way Arraez would be all the Cubs would command in return for either of those guys.  To the extent the Twins want to shed any salary in this deal to absorb the cost of Bryant (he's probably going to get 18.5 this year and 22 or so next year) that could take the cost in prospects and players like Arraez even a bit higher.  Contreras will make 4.5M this year and has three years of control left.  Bryant has two years of control as all the talking heads expect him to lose his grievance.

[gcg2016]

 

I wouldn't be against it personally, but it's worth noting that this will weaken the team unless you believe Schoop's performance decline was injury related. 

 

How does adding Kris Bryant weaken any team?  The Cubs are going to want multiple players who are young and cost controlled in return - perhaps some already with a bit of service time and perhaps some prospects.  Keep in mind that Bryant is very capable OF and can play 1B too.  And he's good on the bases too.  The Cubs biggest issue is that Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Almora (no biggie) and Contreras all become UFAs in 2021 and 2022.  No way they can extend them all.  So they have choices to make.  I would not expect them to deal a frontline starter as they still have a team they think can contend.  This is all about retooling the core so it isn't all coming due at once for them.  And the Twins are definitely the type of team that could get over the top with a few added pieces.  Also could see the Cubs dangling Kimbrel perhaps.  

[Major League Ready]

 

This is all about retooling the core so it isn't all coming due at once for them.  And the Twins are definitely the type of team that could get over the top with a few added pieces.  Also could see the Cubs dangling Kimbrel perhaps.  

 

Dangling suggests he is an attractive addition. He had negative WAR last year and costs $16M/year. Not so attractive.

[Danchat]

I have to say I don’t believe these rumors. Not sure why Chicago would target Arraez. I would only be interested in getting MLB pitching for him. I don’t see any reason to trade away one of our best cheap hitters unless I’m getting wowed by the return.

[In My La Z boy]

Painful as it sounds, selling Arraez now is selling high. This is how you do it. Think of all the can't miss guys we held on to, that ended up missing? 

That being said, I see Arraez as a future batting champion and an excellent lead off table setter, and I like his chances to be an all-star. If it isn't a haul (Contreras or Baez or Darvish) then move on.

I could see the Cubs partnering with us on a blockbuster. 

[gcg2016]

 

Dangling suggests he is an attractive addition. He had negative WAR last year and costs $16M/year. Not so attractive.

 

He also didn't start playing until what was it, July?  I hear you, but there is the longer term track record.

Looking at the Twins roster they have a window similar to that of the Cubs - lots of UFA's in 2022 and 2023.  So the time for them to go all in is right now given they won 101 last year.  Hard for me to see anyone on the Twins roster they'd want to send to Chicago to eat up some of Bryant's cost with the exception of Marwin Gonzalez who is owed $10.5M a year for two more years while posting an OPS of under .800 and an OPS+ of less than 100. So you could perhaps see the Cubs saying here's Kris Bryant at an average cost of what Gonzalez will cost you over the next two years when you send us Gonzalez.  In return thee Cubs also need a haul of other players/prospects.  So give the Cubs Gonzalez and Arraez (who helps the Cubs now) and all his years of control as well as something like Kirilloff and Balazovic.  There could be other "pieces" in there too going either way.  But that is the type of deal I could see getting the Twins a huge piece at an affordable price so they can make other moves to win now.  I also could see the Padres, Dodgers or Braves wanting Bryant and they likewise have the types of pieces to get this type of deal done.  Minnesota basically would be getting Bryant for the same price (even less) than Gonzalez and can invest elsewhere to get other parts needed this offseason to try and win right now.  

[gcg2016]

 

I have to say I don’t believe these rumors. Not sure why Chicago would target Arraez. I would only be interested in getting MLB pitching for him. I don’t see any reason to trade away one of our best cheap hitters unless I’m getting wowed by the return.

 

I'd note the Cubs 40 man roster is sitting at 35 after yesterday's deadline to add players.  That suggests they may be working on some sort of multi-player deal.  And their FO has said they want hitters who bring some added discipline to the line up given their lead off guys were awful last year.  I bet they had an OBP of less than 32% from that spot.  And the team struck out a ton too.