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I'm just sick of it.

 

And I'm old. '65 World Series is my first baseball memory. I grew up with those power-hitting and power-pitching Twins of the mid-60's, suffered through the 70's and especially early 80's, before our brief moments in the sun. Then, those 2000's, where we bent over for the Yanks and others every dang first round, save once. 

 

This season took me, and lots of others, pleasantly by surprise. What a wonderful ride, even through the tight days of late Aug- early September. But just playing meaningful games that late in the year was such a gas!

 

And now, we're one step away from tarnishing that whole year. Having it rendered meaningless. 

 

I'm also a massive rugby fan, and still and active player. Right now, the Rugby World Cup is going on, and the USA is once again a 'guest.' Cup after Cup, the US has been involved, but on the receiving end of horrid beatings that would make the Yanks' dominance seem mild. This year, I thought, they've been coming on since the last Cup, have a pro league now in the US, and tons of players overseas in prestigious leagues- this year, maybe we won't be beaten like a drum by everyone.

 

Nope. Blasted away by England, torched by France, about to be smacked down by Argentina, then Tonga, probably, because we get them on a short turnaround. Just like the Twins, a long road of bright play and good results all thrown away under the hot lights. It's like all that progress over the past years didn't even happen. When the time comes to show what you can do, too many guys show what they can't do.

 

Yes, this season will be a good memory. But unless we make a massive sucking-up and come out on a mission from God, it's just another remake of the same crappy movie.

 

 

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Dear Ownership   Free Agency begins 5 days after the WS. You need 2 starting pitchers better than Berrios.   Do you know what's in your wallet?!   Love, Any Future Season Ticket Holders

True, but he's WAY better.   I don't even need Cole, though. Find a way to acquire a good pitcher like Minor, retain Odorizzi, and the Twins are most of the way to a good rotation.   But fer chrissake

I don’t think I was this embarrassed for the team when they finished with 100 losses.   From top to bottom, everyone involved with this team should be afraid to show their face in public. Just awful.

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Didn’t the Twins have about a 100 point higher winning percentage on the road compared to home this season?

I expected a split in NY, a split in Min and Gm5 all hands on deck. Gm 1 was our chance to split in NY.  I won’t cite Baldelli not using Rogers and Romo as of yet as issues. They are our late inning guys, one of which with plenty of October experience. I think Berrios should have been brought back out to start the 5th, w/ Duffy and May ready to bridge the gap to late innings. Shoot even Graterol. But glad he got a look, experience, and confidence. He can and should be used if/when necessary.

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I think there’s only one pitcher better than Berríos on the free agent market next year.

I'm guessing that Strasburg will opt out of his contract.

 

Stuff-wise Berrios has a case as being better than these pitchers but from a recent FIP standpoint there isn't much difference between him and Bumgarner, Keuchel, Quintana, Wood, or Wheeler.

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My take is that the rotation for this series was messed up from the get-go. Berrios and Odorizzi should have started games 1 and 2. I also believe that, as bad as he may have been, Perez should have been on the roster. There is no substitute for experience. Also, depending on how the first 2 games would have gone would determine who starts game 3. While I hope we can win tonight and maybe even tomorrow if Berrios can pitch on short rest, I don't see us winning a game 5 if it gets that far. I also did not believe that our bullpen was better than the Yankees bullpen going in though both closers were close to equal. I don't blame Rocco with his decisions though it looks bad with what he has chosen. I would probably have picked May in game 1 and who knows in game 2 as noone was used to that situation (maybe Perez to face Didi). I hope we can get the lead tonight and Odo can hold down the fort. GO TWINS!

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It's mind-boggling to me that Baldelli goes from his Joan of Arc patience with his starters to Captain Hook. As I can watch the games here in Japan on cable, I was a bit flummoxed at Baldelli's quick hook. Berrios was not getting hit hard IMHO and Dobnak wasn't even given a chance to work out of the jam despite his record of consistently managing such situations during the regular season. (I just wanted one more batter in the third inning. If you say he is your starter, there has to be a modicum of trust in his ability.)

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Well, you could argue that our ace is out due to an untimely urine sample.  That pretty much sealed our fate.  MLB wants the Yankees in the playoffs...it's about money.  I doubt they will get that untimely urine sample that takes their ace out of the playoffs.

Their ace was suspended right before the playoffs on suspicion of domestic abuse. So, this conspiracy theory doesn't add up. 

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Well, you could argue that our ace is out due to an untimely urine sample.  That pretty much sealed our fate.  MLB wants the Yankees in the playoffs...it's about money.  I doubt they will get that untimely urine sample that takes their ace out of the playoffs.

 

You can't say they are making calls to favor the Yanks. They have gotten healthy while we have gotten stupid (Pineda) and injured. The hotter and healthier team wins but making poor pitches to a guy who hadn't played in a month (Encarnacion) in game 1 and starting a rookie with 3 games of experience (game 2) is not a formula for winning- no matter how good or bad we hit. Now bat Arraz leadoff and let's get this party started tonight.

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True, but he's WAY better.

 

I don't even need Cole, though. Find a way to acquire a good pitcher like Minor, retain Odorizzi, and the Twins are most of the way to a good rotation.

 

But fer chrissakes, don't just sit on their effing hands for an entire offseason again when it comes to pitching.

We will get the latest edition of Correia, Pelfrey, Nolasco, Perez, Colon, etc to go with Berrios/Odo/Dobnak etc. The Pohlads have owned the team for 35 years now, there is no reason to expect them to all the sudden change their ways. They made bank this year doing it the way they have always done it- being competitive and hard-selling the future. The future never comes, though. Ever. 

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It's mind-boggling to me that Baldelli goes from his Joan of Arc patience with his starters to Captain Hook. As I can watch the games here in Japan on cable, I was a bit flummoxed at Baldelli's quick hook. Berrios was not getting hit hard IMHO and Dobnak wasn't even given a chance to work out of the jam despite his record of consistently managing such situations during the regular season. (I just wanted one more batter in the third inning. If you say he is your starter, there has to be a modicum of trust in his ability.)

In his 28 innings?

 

Personally, I think he left Dobnak in too long.

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All I can say is that Twins gave up 18 runs, were kind of, maybe in game one but arguably their three best pitchers -- Odorizzi, Rogers and Romo -- have yet to pitch in the series.

 

That's the problem with Rocco's super-smooth managing.

 

Kick 'em in the teeth Rocco.

 

Thing is though - by the time Duffey was brought in (both games) it was almost like the game had already spun out of control and was out of reach.

 

Bringing in Rogers with the bases loaded and nobody out, in the 3rd inning, already down 2-0....is that really the best use of Rogers? Even a solid outing by Rogers in that situation would still leave the Twins down 3-0 or 4-0 (as opposed to 7-0). So now you're down 4-0 and if you somehow come back to tie or take the lead, Rogers isn't there and you're watching Trevor May come in for 2 innings late in Yankee Stadium to close the door. Does that end well? Chances are it doesn't.

 

We knew pitching would be a problem. Everyone did. The Twins have been winning games with final scores of 9-7 all year long.

 

For the Twins to have any chance of winning the series (let alone the game) the offense is going to have to put up at least 8 runs. The offense scored 4 and 2 runs, respectively. There's simply no way this team can win games without more runs that that. Regardless of whether or not Rogers or Odorizzi were in the game or not.

 

The offense needs to score a bunch of runs. Period. Fair or not, it's on them to win this game and this series. Because the pitching staff is a lost cause, regardless of how they are managed.

 

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Ironically, the small college I went to just ended a 12 game losing streak to a conference rival last Sat. Twins absolutely must win tonight to avoid putting a huge damper on a great season. They would also set the record for the most consecutive playoff losses in all of pro sports if they lose. I think Pedro Ramos is still alive. Maybe he could start tonight.

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In his 28 innings?

 

Personally, I think he left Dobnak in too long.

If that is the case he should never have started him. Or started him and gave him 1 or 2 innings only. If you send out a rookie (or even a young guy) and tell him this is your game, you must be almost perfect or we will pull you at the first sign of trouble, these are the kind of results you end up with most of the time.

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Hindsight...Berrios was probably taken out too soon. Dobnak needed to come out after 2 innings. His sinker wasn't sinking. the 'moment' kinda overtook him, which is understandable. He never should have come out for the 3rd. Hindsight.

 

Our hitters have been a terrible disappointment. All those 3-2 strikeouts. All those strikeouts period. Cron and Kepler look very injured and aren't helping the team at all. Sano hit a solo in game one and then he reverted back to that undisciplined hacker in game two. Rosario looks to me like a spoiled kid.

 

There has not been one specific thing that has sunk the Twins, It has been a total team effort. They are non-competitive. All those walks....shows the pitchers have no confidence in their stuff. Yanks have been patient. Twins not at all. Night and Day.

 

I've said this already...there are two types of fans. One tells you to stop complaining because what a great season they had..,.101 wins. The other says, until the team can succeed, even a little in post season, nothing else matters. We will be seeing both types of comments once this carnage is over.

 

And don't forget the Pineda effect. Look at how much he has hurt the teams chances in post season. Unforgivable IMO.

 

So---they just need to go out there and give it their best shot tonite...with nothing at all to lose. Until the Yanks get that 27th out, they haven't won anything. As unlikely as it is that anything will change, the score right now is still 0-0.

 

Go for it!!!!

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It's mind-boggling to me that Baldelli goes from his Joan of Arc patience with his starters to Captain Hook. As I can watch the games here in Japan on cable, I was a bit flummoxed at Baldelli's quick hook. Berrios was not getting hit hard IMHO and Dobnak wasn't even given a chance to work out of the jam despite his record of consistently managing such situations during the regular season. (I just wanted one more batter in the third inning. If you say he is your starter, there has to be a modicum of trust in his ability.)

Has Baldelli really been that patient with his starters? Hard to tell with the rest strategy in play too, especially with our division lead, but pulling Berrios at 88 pitches doesn't seem too out of line. Especially given the quality opponent, the higher stakes, Berrios's stuff that day, and the heart of the order coming up for a third time. And Dobnak certainly doesn't have much history at all, much less a history of pitching deep into games.

 

Neither hook seemed surprising to me, but Stashak in a 1-run game was surprising, no hook for Gibson was surprising, and the first reliever choice of game 2 was very surprising (Duffey having already thrown 25 high stress pitches less than 24 hours earlier).

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You're underrating Berrios. Do you realize just how good he was this season? The Yankees didn't have a single starter as good as he was this season.

 

 

 

Hmmm. Not sure if you watched game 1, but the lefthander they threw out there was much more composed, had much better command, and struck out all kinds of Twins hitters. 

 

 

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