Twins looking at Giles and Yates

[gunnarthor]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/twins-trade-rumors-ken-giles-blue-jays-kirby-yates-padres.html/comment-page-1#comment-1598657

 

Seems like the opposing teams are focusing on AAA so that would suggest Gordon as a piece?

[Thrylos]

MLB Trade Rumors is an aggregator.    Here is a link the original material from LEN3 @ the Strib that let to that post, to give credit where credit is due:

 

http://www.startribune.com/twins-seeking-pitching-depth-inside-and-outside-the-organization/512308752/

 

Also LEN3's piece says that there were scouts from Diamondbacks, Padres, Blue Jays and Pirates in Rochester, which includes a couple more possibilities that what the MLB Traderumors poster realized and conveyed.

 

LEN3 wrote:

 

Each team has pitchers the Twins could be interested in dealing for before the July 31 trade deadline. Zack Greinke (Diamondbacks), Kirby Yates (Padres), Ken Giles (Blue Jays), the sore pectoral-muscled Marcus Stroman (Blue Jays) and Felipe Vasquez (Pirates) could be available over the next few weeks. The Twins have definitely checked on Yates and Giles, both ninth-inning specialists.

 

and also added that Gonsalves, Rooker, and Gordon might be trade candidates, and that the Twins have been doing due diligence with the pitchers in the organization to see whether they can help, and that includes Littell and Mejia....

 

 

[nicksaviking]

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/twins-trade-rumors-ken-giles-blue-jays-kirby-yates-padres.html/comment-page-1#comment-1598657

 

Seems like the opposing teams are focusing on AAA so that would suggest Gordon as a piece?

 

MLB ready players anyway. Romero, Thorpe and Rooker could be likely as interested pieces in some capacity. I'd say Gonsalves but no one's been watching him pitch in Rochester recently.

[VATwinsFan]

The Twins could always re-sign John Curtiss (released by the Phillies).  

 

 

[USAFChief]

Enough with the "looking" and "checking in on."

 

Get some pitching help already. 

[crapforks]

The links in that MLBTR article re: Yates imply a fairly significant haul.

[nicksaviking]

 

Enough with the "looking" and "checking in on."

 

Get some pitching help already. 

 

I'd like some pitching now, but I doubt any of the top end guys can be had until closer to the end of the month. The sellers are almost certainly going to try to drum up as much interest as possible. Even if the Twins offered to overpay, they'd just use that as ammo to leverage other clubs to do the same.

 

Also, the Padres are still a .500 club, they're not going to want to show fans the white flag yet when they still got a dozen or so games to sell tickets to between now and the deadline. 

[ChrisKnutson]

Forget Giles and Yates, the fact that Pittsburgh was in Rochester intrigues me the most because of a certain lefty closer. And as long as we hold onto Lewis, AK, Graterol, Balazovic, and Duran, I don’t care who we have to give up.

[ashbury]

Enough with the "looking" and "checking in on."

 

Get some pitching help already. 

Yeah, I've always interpreted "checking in on" as a quick phone call or text. "You interested in selling Joe Blow cheaply yet? No? OK then, good talking to you." Such news items are essentially meaningless.

 

And consummating a trade this far from the deadline might be more expensive than waiting. But not THAT much more, and there's no room on the 40-man roster in 2020 and 2021 for all these prospects anyway. The window of contention is open right now, and that commands a premium which you have to be willing to pay.

 

Still, as nicksaviking stated, until a given team is ready, you pretty much can't press the issue, without making it a deal you know from the outset you will regret.

 

This trading deadline will tell me a lot about our front office.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Forget Giles and Yates, the fact that Pittsburgh was in Rochester intrigues me the most because of a certain lefty closer. And as long as we hold onto Lewis, AK, Graterol, Balazovic, and Duran, I don’t care who we have to give up.

Wonder if it's Rooker or Smeltzer that teams are looking at. Thorpe could be in play as well. 

[jkcarew]

 

Also, the Padres are still a .500 club, they're not going to want to show fans the white flag yet when they still got a dozen or so games to sell tickets to between now and the deadline. 

You'd think, right? The Padres: 2 games out of the wild-card (Brewers, D-backs)...just took 3 of 4 from the Dodgers (something literally nobody has done)...Yates getting saves in all 3 wins...July opponents include Marlins, Mets, Giants, and Orioles...they just sank $300M into Machado...and they're actively shopping their highest-leverage bullpen arm who they control through next season, because, what...he's arbitration-eligible?

 

I'd take Yates (though, I'd rather have Giles is we're choosing one). But, it's kind of an ice-cold bucket of reality right in the face for Padres fans.

[USAFChief]

 

I'd like some pitching now, but I doubt any of the top end guys can be had until closer to the end of the month. The sellers are almost certainly going to try to drum up as much interest as possible. Even if the Twins offered to overpay, they'd just use that as ammo to leverage other clubs to do the same.

 

Also, the Padres are still a .500 club, they're not going to want to show fans the white flag yet when they still got a dozen or so games to sell tickets to between now and the deadline. 

I'd concur on Yates, but there are relievers available today, if you're willing to meet what will be the eventual price. Giles, for example, could be had today. 

 

Waiting serves no purpose IMO, other than to invite other teams into the bidding as options dry up.

[ChrisKnutson]

Wonder if it's Rooker or Smeltzer that teams are looking at. Thorpe could be in play as well.

 

Don’t forget about Stewart, Gordon, and Davis. Honestly, our system is so deep that I think we could easily afford to aquire not only Vazquez, but Iglesias as well.

[ashbury]

Giles, for example, could be had today.

I don't know if we've ever talked much about insubordination, but I assume you're against it. Does this recap of Giles cursing his manager (on his previous team) on the field change your opinion about getting him, and maybe offer insight as to why he could be available?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moisekapendabower/2018/07/12/demoted-astros-reliever-ken-giles-could-stand-to-get-both-his-mind-and-his-arm-right-while-in-fresno/#6dd8572a5291

[USAFChief]

 

I don't know if we've ever talked much about insubordination, but I assume you're against it. Does this recap of Giles cursing his manager (on his previous team) on the field change your opinion about getting him, and maybe offer insight as to why he could be available?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moisekapendabower/2018/07/12/demoted-astros-reliever-ken-giles-could-stand-to-get-both-his-mind-and-his-arm-right-while-in-fresno/#6dd8572a5291

I like a guy who punches himself in the face after giving up a three run homer...saves all of us the trouble of imagining doing it ourselves.

 

As for the insubordination, I am indeed anti-. But I'm pro beefing up the bullpen enough to leap to the assumption that bygones are bygones.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

 

I don't know if we've ever talked much about insubordination, but I assume you're against it. Does this recap of Giles cursing his manager (on his previous team) on the field change your opinion about getting him, and maybe offer insight as to why he could be available?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moisekapendabower/2018/07/12/demoted-astros-reliever-ken-giles-could-stand-to-get-both-his-mind-and-his-arm-right-while-in-fresno/#6dd8572a5291

Uh oh.   ?

[curt1965]

 

 

I'd concur on Yates, but there are relievers available today, if you're willing to meet what will be the eventual price. Giles, for example, could be had today. 
 
Waiting serves no purpose IMO, other than to invite other teams into the bidding as options dry up.

Chief’s comment is right on! According to tons of articles in various baseball publications, there are 6-10 teams looking for “quality” relievers. If the Twins wait, this will happen: the wealthy teams will win the bidding war that will happen in the last days of July, and the Twins will be left with crap.
I’m actually wondering if the Twins first half superb performance has caught management by surprise! They never anticipated the Indians losing 60% of their stud starters for most of the first half, or the Tribe being so inept offensively out of the gate. Getting healthier by the day, Cleveland has gained 7 games in the standings in the past 2 weeks.
If history repeats itself again this year, the Twins will be on the outside looking in once more at the trade deadline if they wait. Boldness has never been one of this organization’s virtues- I doubt that will change this summer!

[Darius]

Everyone seems to preaching patience, but seem to forget the most important fact of this matter.

 

This Indians are now less than 6 games with 13 against us (3 after the break). We have a much harder schedule than the Indians after break (I believe we have the Yanks and As while they get the Tigers and Royals).

 

You want to wait for market to loosen a little to save a somewhat marginal prospect in a deal? Well, it’s looking like we are going to be a Wildcard team by then. I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not raiding this system for a couple relievers just to get bounced out of New York or Houston.

 

You have to make the move now, or just scrap it, IMO. Ideally, some help would have been brought in weeks ago when this slide started (we’ve been about .500 for a month now).

 

There is a lot of this wait and see attitude when it comes to baseball, and it boggles my mind. One game could be difference between getting a home series or being a wildcard club. That game could’ve already been lost by sitting on our hands. Stop waiting to see what happens and be proactive.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

Enough with the "looking" and "checking in on."

 

Get some pitching help already. 

 

This x 1,000,000.

 

Don't sit and wait - go make a move to better yourself right now.

[Jham]

Everyone seems to preaching patience, but seem to forget the most important fact of this matter.

 

This Indians are now less than 6 games with 13 against us (3 after the break). We have a much harder schedule than the Indians after break (I believe we have the Yanks and As while they get the Tigers and Royals).

 

You want to wait for market to loosen a little to save a somewhat marginal prospect in a deal? Well, it’s looking like we are going to be a Wildcard team by then. I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not raiding this system for a couple relievers just to get bounced out of New York or Houston.

 

You have to make the move now, or just scrap it, IMO. Ideally, some help would have been brought in weeks ago when this slide started (we’ve been about .500 for a month now).

 

There is a lot of this wait and see attitude when it comes to baseball, and it boggles my mind. One game could be difference between getting a home series or being a wildcard club. That game could’ve already been lost by sitting on our hands. Stop waiting to see what happens and be proactive.

I'd further suggest that all teams should constantly be looking to add talent and improve the roster. Even rebuilding teams occasionally jump up. And to sell, you have to acquire players other teams want to buy.

 

The interesting thing is that the Twins no doubt have a list in their head. Some guys might be available now, some might not be available ever. Do you wait to see what else might be out there and risk being left without a chair when the music stops?

 

Some even suggested buying last year. We've seen more recently where stockpiling prospects lowers our leverage because we have sho many gus who will be rule 5 eligible that they might be available in a few months for a claim, and restrict roster flexibility. No one wants to trade something for nothing (Tyler Austin for example).

 

Now we need to trade some guys simply to free up space regardless of return.

[Battle ur tail off]

I'm with you all. They literally need a starter and 1 or 2 relievers. Get busy already. What is the waiting for?

 

IMO, it has to do with prospect hoarding and the same cheap BS we've seen for years with this club. This the best chance they've had since 2010. Add now, quit waiting around. 

 

If this FO sits on its hands or brings in marginal help and the team doesn't make the playoffs or goes one and done, good luck selling tickets going forward. This fanbase deserves some investment from their front office/ownership.

[nicksaviking]

 

I'd concur on Yates, but there are relievers available today, if you're willing to meet what will be the eventual price. Giles, for example, could be had today. 

 

Waiting serves no purpose IMO, other than to invite other teams into the bidding as options dry up.

 

Surely the oft discussed Ian Kennedy and his unattractive contract should be available any time. I'd think lower tier guys (many of whom I personally like) such as Daniel Hudson, Roenis Elias or guys who could implode and tank their trade value at any moment like Mychal Givens or whatever dreck Miami will be trying to shovel out the door might be available at a slight overpay. If the big names are available now though, I'd be surprised, only because I'd think we'd have seen more of a history of these guys going earlier if that was the prerogative of clubs.

[Thrylos]

 

Surely the oft discussed Ian Kennedy and his unattractive contract should be available any time.

 

Kennedy is owed about $25M roughly and is under contact for one more season.  If the Royals eat about $18M of that I would not mind parting with a B prospect to get him.  They still need another arm better than him in the pen.  He can be the RH setup guy complimenting Rogers.  They need a closer on top.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

 

Apparently the Twins and Yankees have looked in on packaging Giles and Stroman. I'd be very OK with it, if the price is right. One of the Twittereres suggested Graterol....Straight up? maybe...

[Cap'n Piranha]

 

MLB Trade Rumors is an aggregator.    Here is a link the original material from LEN3 @ the Strib that let to that post, to give credit where credit is due:

 

http://www.startribune.com/twins-seeking-pitching-depth-inside-and-outside-the-organization/512308752/

 

Also LEN3's piece says that there were scouts from Diamondbacks, Padres, Blue Jays and Pirates in Rochester, which includes a couple more possibilities that what the MLB Traderumors poster realized and conveyed.

 

LEN3 wrote:

 

Each team has pitchers the Twins could be interested in dealing for before the July 31 trade deadline. Zack Greinke (Diamondbacks), Kirby Yates (Padres), Ken Giles (Blue Jays), the sore pectoral-muscled Marcus Stroman (Blue Jays) and Felipe Vasquez (Pirates) could be available over the next few weeks. The Twins have definitely checked on Yates and Giles, both ninth-inning specialists.

 

and also added that Gonsalves, Rooker, and Gordon might be trade candidates, and that the Twins have been doing due diligence with the pitchers in the organization to see whether they can help, and that includes Littell and Mejia....

 

Um, you realize that in the first sentence of the MLBTR piece, the link to LEN3's article was included, right?  They actually got to it faster than you did, and then wrote 700 words of analysis.  While MLBTR definitely starts from a source, moreso than attempting to "break" stories, they are hardly an aggregator.

[KFEY93]

 

I like a guy who punches himself in the face after giving up a three run homer...saves all of us the trouble of imagining doing it ourselves.

 

As for the insubordination, I am indeed anti-. But I'm pro beefing up the bullpen enough to leap to the assumption that bygones are bygones.

I like you, haha. 

[Major League Ready]

 

I'd concur on Yates, but there are relievers available today, if you're willing to meet what will be the eventual price. Giles, for example, could be had today. 

 

Waiting serves no purpose IMO, other than to invite other teams into the bidding as options dry up.

 

How do you account for minimal trade activity so far? Are they all just unwilling to pay the "eventual price"?  There are lots of teams interested in making additions and there will be numerous transactions starting about a week from now. It simply takes time for both buyers and sellers to do their due diligence. Rushing important decisions/transactions is a certain sign of incompetence.

 

In addition, several teams are still waiting to determine if they should sell or at a minimum they don't want to tell their fans they don't think much of their chances this year. Also, sellers would be absolutely incompetent if they don't go back and forth with multiple buyers attempting to get the best return. It has always worked this way yet you are certain it's just reluctance to pay market value. 

[Danchat]

Well, one thing is clear to me - the FO is looking around at starters and relievers and are definitely interested... as compared to “just going with the internal guys”. Whether they pull the trigger on one of the bigger names is up for debate.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

 

Apparently the Twins and Yankees have looked in on packaging Giles and Stroman. I'd be very OK with it, if the price is right. One of the Twittereres suggested Graterol....Straight up? maybe...

 

Yes, sure.

 

We are hungry for a World Series, some sort of successful postseason. Graterol is no guarantee, so I would do it.

[gunnarthor]

I think Stroman and Giles together would require at least one of Lewis and Kiriloff and probably both. With Graterol out with an undiagnosed arm injury, I would assume he has zero trade value. A deal of Lewis/Larnich/Balovic/Duran might not be enough.