Pelfrey: his days as a Minnesota starter should be over

[DaveW]

This debacle should ultimately seal his fate.

 

Call up ANYONE besides him at this point, maybe he can be decent in the pen the last couple weeks.

[Hrbowski]

Extend him.

[Rosterman]

I'm not sure Duffey is an answer as a starter, either. Better as a long man in the bullpen, perhaps. So, until Hughes returns, what would the Twins September rotation look like: Kyle Gibson, Tommy Milone, Logan Darnell, Taylor Rogers,Jose Berrios. Of course, to do that we would have to find TWO players to eliminate from the team.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Concur. But I'm not holding my breath.

[sane]

 

Exactly why is Jose Berrios being shut down, when Pelfreys horrible pitching is repeating itself again. Why shut down Berrios  for the season when these debacles by Pelfrey keep happening. This is dumb and not giving the major league roster full chance to achieve success continuing to waste starts on Pelfrey.

 

This is the second time in 8 days that Pelfrey is getting rocked by the Astros. He is not a quality starter and should not continue in this rotation. His starts are killing this team as far as playoff hopes go. His rear end should have been dropped from the rotation weeks ago. 

Berrios is the scheduled starting pitcher for Rochester Saturday.

[jimmer]

 

This debacle should ultimately seal his fate.

Call up ANYONE besides him at this point, maybe he can be decent in the pen the last couple weeks.

He shouldn't have been signed in the first place and he definitely shouldn't have been re-signed.

[Danchat]

I still stand by my thought that he should have been moved to the bullpen early in the season (April) and he would have been effective there.

 

However, he hasn't had a horrible season in the rotation. He's healthy, and he looks like he can be a #4/#5 pitcher.

 

But Pelfrey gives up too many crooked numbers in his poor outings. And the Twins already have a rotation full of #3-#5 pitchers. This should be it for Pelfrey's Twins career after September. At least he rebounded and had a solid 2015 for the money they're paying him.

[Monkeypaws]

Wow Dave, saw the thread title and knew it was you. 

 

You're being very un-Dude man.

[huhguy]

Yes, I say give him his unconditional release right now.  The truth about Pelfrey is, he is just hittable....I was wrong about him, I thought his early performances boded well for his season, but he has been terrible....how about Mike Bowden from Rochester?

[Squirrel]

Mod warning:

 

Do not use this thread as a way to back into another Berrios/Ryan's decision thread. We have several ongoing now.

[DaveW]

He said was solid for awhile this year which was great, however, as it has been for quite some times with the Twins, they refuse to cut bait, or wait way too long before they take someone out of a key role when it deals with a veteran. I still maintain pelf could be solid in the pen, but the starting pitcher ship for 2025 sailed long ago IMO (way before the trade deadline even)

 

This really goes back to the may decision, may should have kept his spot and pelf should have went to the pen, if not immediately then shortly there after.

[Halsey Hall]

Pelf's starts for the Twins are certainly numbered.  On one hand.

[howeda7]

It should be. It won't be. Maybe when Hughes comes back, but no sooner than that.

[darin617]

 

Pelf's starts for the Twins are certainly numbered.  On one hand.

With about a month left we have about 27 or 28 games left so that is almost a fact for all of the starters. Good try though.

[Squirrel]

I could whine all day long about what the Twins should have done in regards to Pelfrey but didn't. I could also whine all day long about what the Twins shouldn't have done in regards to Pelfrey but did. But neither of those scenarios are productive. It's truly frustrating, yes indeed, in the chase for a WC spot, to witness a game like this when we needed better. My guess is he finishes out the season, as a starter, whether I like it or not, and won't be re-signed next year unless he agrees to a role in the BP, but I'm not sure I even want that from him at this point.

[TheLeviathan]

If we resign him I may auction my fandom on eBay.

[Squirrel]

If we resign him I may auction my fandom on eBay.

How much would expect to get for that?

[TheLeviathan]

How much would expect to get for that?

At least a billion.

[HitInAPinch]

From Phil Miller in the Strib:

 

"Pelfrey owned a 2.28 ERA on June 7, fifth best in the AL, but after giving up seven runs in four innings to the Astros, five days after allowing four run in 3⅔ innings, his ERA has nearly doubled, to 4.17."

 

I agree with Danchat:  he started off the year in the bullpen and I would have left him there.  What Pelfrey is doing right now is just history.  Could see this one coming a mile away.

[70charger]

If we resign him I may auction my fandom on eBay.

I'll start the bidding.

 

You won't like my number...

[Teddy]

So, given TR's penchant for veterans, what are the chances Pelphrey comes back next year?

 

Frankly, if it's in a starter's role, I think it'd be a bad move, but if the team can convince Pelph that he'd be an asset as a reliever, I think it'd be a great move. I know he's opposed to the idea, but I think he could be a valuable 8th inning guy, considering how effective he is the first time through the rotation, but ineffective after the first time.

 

[David HK]

 

He said was solid for awhile this year which was great, however, as it has been for quite some times with the Twins, they refuse to cut bait, or wait way too long before they take someone out of a key role when it deals with a veteran. I still maintain pelf could be solid in the pen, but the starting pitcher ship for 2025 sailed long ago IMO (way before the trade deadline even)

This really goes back to the may decision, may should have kept his spot and pelf should have went to the pen, if not immediately then shortly there after.

He had that good stretch, but it was unsustainable.   It's yet another of the bleedingly obvious things that the GM's on this board have been on about all season.    Like playing Santana at SS for so long, it's just been painful to watch, and such an easy answer that should have been made long ago.  Just too many of these season-long face-palms.

[TheLeviathan]

I'll start the bidding.

You won't like my number...

Probably, but anywhere that doesn't employ Mike Pelfrey already has a leg up. These better be the last few times we endure him.

[nytwinsfan]

Even as a reliever it would be a bad move. If we are going to sign another reliever, sign someone who has (1) pitched as a reliever before, and (2) strikes out hitters once in a while.

[mudcat14]

Problem is, until Hughes comes back our only 40man option is Darnell.  Unless you move May back into the rotation. 

[Winston Smith]

NO!

[David HK]

I know it's pure speculation, but I just can't not think about where we'd maybe be with a 2.28 Pelf in the pen, May in the rotation, and Esco at short the whole way.  Instead of, you know, what we got (and I'm quoting Joe Angel here, for you old-timers) from the Twins' brain-thrust.

[mikelink45]

 

Exactly why is Jose Berrios being shut down, when Pelfreys horrible pitching is repeating itself again. Why shut down Berrios  for the season when these debacles by Pelfrey keep happening. This is dumb and not giving the major league roster full chance to achieve success continuing to waste starts on Pelfrey.

 

This is the second time in 8 days that Pelfrey is getting rocked by the Astros. He is not a quality starter and should not continue in this rotation. His starts are killing this team as far as playoff hopes go. His rear end should have been dropped from the rotation weeks ago. 

I concur.  Pelfrey and his relief appearance at the beginning of the game is getting old.  The one gem he splices in to this run should not save him.   Put a six or seven man rotation together if the young arms need to be pampered.  Bring up Berrios, Dean, Rogers - put the best in the rotation and try to get to the playoffs.

[jimbo92107]

 

From Phil Miller in the Strib:

 

"Pelfrey owned a 2.28 ERA on June 7, fifth best in the AL, but after giving up seven runs in four innings to the Astros, five days after allowing four run in 3⅔ innings, his ERA has nearly doubled, to 4.17."

 

I agree with Danchat:  he started off the year in the bullpen and I would have left him there.  What Pelfrey is doing right now is just history.  Could see this one coming a mile away.

Really good point. In the pen Pelfrey would have pitched about half the innings, so his heater, curve, fork mix might have lasted longer before he either stopped throwing the fork or hitters stopped swinging at it.

 

Today Pelfrey looks like he's reverted to his pre-fork days of being a two-pitch guy. Decent heater that he bends low around the zone, a "get me over" curve for an occasional alternate, and the fork ball, which is rare, and nobody swings at it anymore.

 

Before the All-Star game it seemed like Pelf was getting a lot of swinging strikes at the fork ball. Now that pitch is much more rare, and everybody is sitting on his fastball, which isn't dominant. He's getting shelled by fastball eaters like Houston.

 

With an average two-pitch mix, he's either middle relief, or I don't want to see him pitch. He needed that fork ball to be effective for more than a few innings.

[mikelink45]

Mike Pelfrey 

 

Last 7 Games 1 2 4.95 7 7 0 36.1 46 20 7 23 1.46
Last 15 Games 1 7 5.76 15 15 0 79.2 109 51 23 42 1.66
Last 30 Games 6 9 4.17 26 26 0 146.2 172 68 42 76 1.46

 

In thirty games he has average under 5 innings - this is a pretty clear indictment.  

 

Last 3 Games W L SV IP H ER BB SO
8/23 @ BAL 0 0 0 4.2 9 3 1 3
8/29 vs HOU 0 1 0 3.2 7 4 2 2
9/4 @ HOU 0 1 0 4.0 8 7 0 5

 

Wow - what a bullpen arm!

The info is from mlb.com

 

And by the way:

Jose Berrios Stats Summary
LG LEVEL W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HB BB IBB SO AVG WHIP GO/AO
Minors 2015 [+] - Minors 13 5 2.90 26 26 1 1 0 0 161.1 133 55 52 12 11 37 0 170 .224 1.05 1.00
Minors Career - Minors 35 20 3.00 81 74 3 2 4 4 435.2 371 169 145 25 27 119 0 459 .229 1.12 0.92