Rockies (Quantrill) vs Twins (Varland): 6/11/24, 6:40pm

[Jocko87]

56 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Too much feet dragging on moving these guys to the pen. 

Plus, there would be a big benefit to free agency and roster construction if this team is able to build the bullpen internally.

I think it's the opposite.  I can get a six pack of relievers at the corner store for a tenth the cost of a starter.  Wait as long as possible and then when you are sure they can't make it as a starter, then trade them to someone who still thinks they can.  The bullpen is relatively easy to fill. 

[Mike Sixel]

7 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I think it's the opposite.  I can get a six pack of relievers at the corner store for a tenth the cost of a starter.  Wait as long as possible and then when you are sure they can't make it as a starter, then trade them to someone who still thinks they can.  The bullpen is relatively easy to fill. 

So trade Duran and Jax for an overpay, and fill the pen next year with random guys? 

[Doctor Gast]

22 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

That probably defeats the point of the spot start. They are trying to extend the pitching  through a stretch with no off days.  It's probably more like Louis will wear it for 100 pitches regardless of result type of night.  

What do you think the point of spot start is if not giving the rotation a breather? If it's getting Varland 100 pitches in at SP no matter what, it'll be a long night. 

[mickster]

3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

I can't see the Twins dealing SWR, who is cheap and has been effective, if not great, as a 23 year old .....

That is a so very true, just thinking the asking price would most likely be him and not Varland.

[pierre75275]

Does anyone know what the roster move was to bring Varland up?

 

[jkcarew]

7 hits, 4 walks, a HR, and 6 runs, in 3 innings in his last start for the Saints. How can you NOT give the spot start to Louie?? 
 

I realize the pick’ins are slim over in St Paul, but at least Boushley has kinda earned the chance…his AAA results have been light years better than Varlands. What do we expect of Louie? Will be go with the approach that didn’t work at AAA…or the approach that didn’t work with the Twins?

[stringer bell]

6 minutes ago, pierre75275 said:

Does anyone know what the roster move was to bring Varland up?

 

Diego Castillo (the pitcher) was optioned to St. Paul. 

[stringer bell]

On the basis of performance, Boushley deserves a start and major league time over Varland, but Boushley is 30, doesn't throw overly hard and doesn't have impressive "stuff". Varland has good pitches--we've seen him hold down impressive lineups--but he's struggled this year. The Twins have kept Varland in a starting role and I don't blame them, but if he keeps struggling this year, I would presume the next step is the bullpen.

[nicksaviking]

46 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I think it's the opposite.  I can get a six pack of relievers at the corner store for a tenth the cost of a starter.  Wait as long as possible and then when you are sure they can't make it as a starter, then trade them to someone who still thinks they can.  The bullpen is relatively easy to fill. 

Easy, but not effectively. I'm anything but a Terry Ryan apologist, but he was good at grabbing other team's cast off relievers. This front office has had a terrible success rate with that, while conversely having good success with the starter-turned-relief arms already in the system.

I'd like them to stop throwing away money and more importantly roster spots on guys who can't be optioned. 

[stringer bell]

I had a look at the lineups and was mildly surprised that Miranda is out of the lineup for the second day in a row. Margot is getting a start in left field--he has been hitting better--with Larnach at DH and Kirilloff at first base. I guess Rocco is going with Margot as the "hot hand". 

[stringer bell]

3 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I'd like them to stop throwing away money and more importantly roster spots on guys who can't be optioned. 

Most of their offseason acquisitions are optionable (Staumont, Topa, Castillo), with the exceptions being Okert and Jackson. Jackson is in St. Paul and Okert is going pretty well. I guess I don't think it is a huge problem. I think the larger problem is getting guys who can't stay healthy.

[stringer bell]

10 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

I had a look at the lineups and was mildly surprised that Miranda is out of the lineup for the second day in a row. Margot is getting a start in left field--he has been hitting better--with Larnach at DH and Kirilloff at first base. I guess Rocco is going with Margot as the "hot hand". 

The platoon switches are pretty easy to see--Miranda or Jeffers for Larnach and Santana for Kirilloff. I really don't see any role for Farmer unless somebody gets injured. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

A lot of angst about a spot start for Louie, against a team with a .00001 win% that gives off White Sox Tony LaRussa vibes 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I’ve always been kind of a Rockies fan for their runs the late 2000s and then for Morneau and Cuddyer, but this is not those teams. oof.

[Jocko87]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

So trade Duran and Jax for an overpay, and fill the pen next year with random guys? 

I don't know what to say to that as an interpretation of my post. 

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

What do you think the point of spot start is if not giving the rotation a breather? If it's getting Varland 100 pitches in at SP no matter what, it'll be a long night. 

It doesn't help as much if you just shift the burden to the bullpen.  They are trying to get 6-7 "free" innings from outside the room. That's also probably part of why they are doing it against the Rockies instead of the Yankees.

[Jocko87]

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

Easy, but not effectively. I'm anything but a Terry Ryan apologist, but he was good at grabbing other team's cast off relievers. This front office has had a terrible success rate with that, while conversely having good success with the starter-turned-relief arms already in the system.

I'd like them to stop throwing away money and more importantly roster spots on guys who can't be optioned. 

The biggest difference from this and the last front office in this regard is that we are going to have a whole lot more interesting pitchers to chose from internally. They are very good at turning up the stuff.

[Jocko87]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

I had a look at the lineups and was mildly surprised that Miranda is out of the lineup for the second day in a row. Margot is getting a start in left field--he has been hitting better--with Larnach at DH and Kirilloff at first base. I guess Rocco is going with Margot as the "hot hand". 

Two lefties in the Rockies pen, they can make them face three righties.  One too many first basey types I guess.

[Mike Sixel]

14 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

I don't know what to say to that as an interpretation of my post. 

It doesn't help as much if you just shift the burden to the bullpen.  They are trying to get 6-7 "free" innings from outside the room. That's also probably part of why they are doing it against the Rockies instead of the Yankees.

You said it was easy to find relief pitchers any time. If true, and teams will trade for yours, why not trade them and find those relievers just lying around?

[Craig Arko]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

You said it was easy to find relief pitchers any time. If true, and teams will trade for yours, why not trade them and find those relievers just lying around?

I think I saw my dog playing with one in the yard.

[Parfigliano]

1 hour ago, jkcarew said:

7 hits, 4 walks, a HR, and 6 runs, in 3 innings in his last start for the Saints. How can you NOT give the spot start to Louie?? 
 

I realize the pick’ins are slim over in St Paul, but at least Boushley has kinda earned the chance…his AAA results have been light years better than Varlands. What do we expect of Louie? Will be go with the approach that didn’t work at AAA…or the approach that didn’t work with the Twins?

Both

[CRF]

Cory must be standing on a box, so they can get all three guys in the camera shot. 

[USAFChief]

10 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Who will win, the Colorado Rockies or Louie Varland?

 

 

Yes.

[Mortimerkenny21]

ERA from 9.18 down to 8.66. Progress? I reckon.

[CRF]

Alright Louie got thru the 1st without anyone hitting one 450 ft. Please keep it that way. 

[USAFChief]

Shhhhhh....

 

Perfect game in progress...

[Jocko87]

23 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

You said it was easy to find relief pitchers any time. If true, and teams will trade for yours, why not trade them and find those relievers just lying around?

 

2 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

 The bullpen is relatively easy to fill. 

I quit.

[thelanges5]

Let’s go Twins!

[Patzky]

5 hours ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

What was the corresponding move to bring Varland back?

Diego Castillo down after last night.

[MMMordabito]

Now Margot gets to play against righties. Great. 😑

[CRF]

2 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

Now Margot gets to play against righties. Great. 😑

No platooning for the best player on the team!🤪