Twins 7, Padres 4: Correa’s Clutch Homer Sparks Late-Inning Rally

[TwinsDr2021]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

I agree w/ AJ that the way that Baldelli's handling of the bullpen is textbook for wearing out BP arms. But the solution isn't wearing out the rotation. Gray is fresh and ready to bounce back to pitch a great game his next game, not  approaching his next outing not 100%. 

The solution is the balance of SP, long relief & short relief. Until then our pitching will like always have tired arms & injuries

I agree with not wearing out your starters, look at what the Padres did last night they are so dumb, Musgrove pitched 6 innings and 96 pitches and faced 23 batters, that kind of crazy usage will end up with him getting hurt and not being able to pitch in the playoffs, and not be 100% for his next start. /s

[h2oface]

11 hours ago, howeda7 said:

In Rocco's defense, Duran was already warming up when it was 2-1 and once he's warmed up, they're going to use him. 

And I entertained that thought, too! And that Baldy could be of the thought that Duran needs regular work to stay sharp, regardless of score, and a low leverage appearance would be good for his confidence and stress after the 32 pitch sketchy outing. (But that would be quite a different tact than leaving Ryan in to be demoralized….). I tried to defend Baldy in my internal dialogue.
 

Duran had just started soft tossing when the score was already 4-1, and it was then immediately 5-1. Check out the replay of the game. He really hadn’t ramped up and committed until it was clear his weapons could be best utilized another day. Duran could have just soft tossed as the score quickly climbed to 6-1 and then 7-1 after a long at bat. Or sat down at 6-1. This is why I found no real defense for the decision. The good news is he looked great and only had to throw 11 sparkling pitches to set the goofy looking Padres down. 

[h2oface]

Miranda had a great game. Great defensive play at third, and two separate trips around the bases that were smart hustle and execution. And his bat PLAYS!

[ashbury]

57 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I agree with not wearing out your starters, look at what the Padres did last night they are so dumb, Musgrove pitched 6 innings and 96 pitches and faced 23 batters, that kind of crazy usage will end up with him getting hurt and not being able to pitch in the playoffs, and not be 100% for his next start. /s

I want to like your take, I really do.  But, if you look at these two pitchers, inning by inning...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=musgrjo01&year=2022&t=p#all_innng

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=grayso01&year=2022&t=p#all_innng

... it is uncanny that Joe has been good this season for exactly one inning further into games than Sonny has.

Our field staff knows something about their own players? That's unpossible!

[Mike Sixel]

Like three positive comments in this thread about a win. 

[Squirrel]

5 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Go to the "News" page, tap the 2 line "hamburger" drop down menu, then select "Twins Resources." 

There you'll find rosters.

Actually, you can tap the hamburger menu from anywhere on the site. Or, if you click ‘Forums’, you will see all the links to those resources above the forum list

[ashbury]

11 hours ago, KirbyDome89 said:

and Duffey did his best to give up a 6 run lead. 

Don't sell Tyler short - I'm not sure if we've seen his very best.

[ashbury]

7 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Like three positive comments in this thread about a win. 

You'll find mine in the game thread yesterday.   Buxton and Correa both came up big in a game the Twins no doubt very much wanted to win.

[Dman]

2 hours ago, chinmusic said:

I vote for lessley. 

Morneau's not that bad. But then, I'm Canadian, and perhaps biased.?

Maybe I am just a vanilla Minnesotan at heart but I think I like Morneau the best as well.  Great insight on the hitter side.  Understands what the players are trying to do to win.  I just like his approach the best but can understand where others might not care for him as much.

Still they seem to mix it up and I like Smally and several others as well but in the end I still think I like Morneau the best.

[KirbyDome89]

42 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Like three positive comments in this thread about a win. 

They have the 2nd worst pitching staff in baseball over the last month and they've been a sub .500 club struggling to tread water in an awful division since late May. How much good will are you expecting to find in some of these threads?

[Squirrel]

23 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

They have the 2nd worst pitching staff in baseball over the last month and they've been a sub .500 club struggling to tread water in an awful division since late May. How much good will are you expecting to find in some of these threads?

Until they no longer lead the division, as weak as it is. Some think it’s a matter of time, and I can’t deny their reasoning on that, any more than I can deny the weaknesses of the team’s pitching. And it could be stated almost every game. But, despite that, the Twins are still leading the division. Even when they win, threads are filled with comments complaining, finding ways, sometimes creatively, to rip apart anything good, as if it’s a mirage we should all ignore. Some are genuinely constructive criticism, and those comments I appreciate. But most are just complaints to complain. That is a willing and purposeful choice, imo, and deserves some calling out as trolling.

[mikelink45]

6 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Go to the "News" page, tap the 2 line "hamburger" drop down menu, then select "Twins Resources." 

There you'll find rosters.

Thanks - went there and found 1/2 of what I wanted.  I would like an IL list too. 

[mikelink45]

What is the Sano injury?  I hope they explain that it is temporarily blindness that does not let him see balls in the strikezone.  Has be become AAAA player - Joey Gallo and the Yankees just exposed what the value is in the old three outcomes ranks - and at least Gallo could field. 

[Squirrel]

22 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

Thanks - went there and found 1/2 of what I wanted.  I would like an IL list too. 

The 40-man roster indicates who is in the IL

[Squirrel]

21 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

What is the Sano injury?  I hope they explain that it is temporarily blindness that does not let him see balls in the strikezone.  Has be become AAAA player - Joey Gallo and the Yankees just exposed what the value is in the old three outcomes ranks - and at least Gallo could field. 

Knee inflammation 

[KirbyDome89]

3 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Until they no longer lead the division, as weak as it is. Some think it’s a matter of time, and I can’t deny their reasoning on that, any more than I can deny the weaknesses of the team’s pitching. And it could be stated almost every game. But, despite that, the Twins are still leading the division. Even when they win, threads are filled with comments complaining, finding ways, sometimes creatively, to rip apart anything good. Some are genuinely constructive criticism, and those comments I appreciate. But most are just complaints to complain. That is a willing and purposeful choice, imo.

I wouldn't call it weak, I still expect them to win the division when it's all said and done. In fairness that has a lot to do with how little faith I have in CHI or CLE getting their s*** together, but yeah, perspective is important. 

Agreed, I see the low tier posts creeping into threads too, but there's some of the aforementioned perspective being lost if we're calling out a lack of positivity in single game threads right now.  

[terrydactyls]

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

I agree w/ AJ that the way that Baldelli's handling of the bullpen is textbook for wearing out BP arms. But the solution isn't wearing out the rotation. Gray is fresh and ready to bounce back to pitch a great game his next game, not  approaching his next outing not 100%. 

The solution is the balance of SP, long relief & short relief. Until then our pitching will like always have tired arms & injuries

Five innings and 79 pitches doesn't even come close to "wearing out a rotation."

[jmlease1]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

Until they no longer lead the division, as weak as it is. Some think it’s a matter of time, and I can’t deny their reasoning on that, any more than I can deny the weaknesses of the team’s pitching. And it could be stated almost every game. But, despite that, the Twins are still leading the division. Even when they win, threads are filled with comments complaining, finding ways, sometimes creatively, to rip apart anything good, as if it’s a mirage we should all ignore. Some are genuinely constructive criticism, and those comments I appreciate. But most are just complaints to complain. That is a willing and purposeful choice, imo, and deserves some calling out as trolling.

The constant stream of complaints, even in victory, do make it hard for those of us who want to root for the team and enjoy watching them play to hang out here at times. I'd rather not spend time defending Rocco, the front office, the team (especially when I should be enjoying a win), but when almost every thread about the MLB club gets so negative so quickly, and game recaps are filled with posts basically saying the team won "in spite of X" (where X = whatever the poster finds most egregious about the team that day)...it's not fun. Especially when we're still in first!

I'm super excited about Jose Miranda. He's really playing well and getting comfortable as a big-leaguer. I'm excited every time he takes an AB right now because I want to see what he can do. It would be awesome to have him as the every day 3B for the next 4-5 years.

[TwinsDr2021]

4 hours ago, ashbury said:

I want to like your take, I really do.  But, if you look at these two pitchers, inning by inning...

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=musgrjo01&year=2022&t=p#all_innng

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=grayso01&year=2022&t=p#all_innng

... it is uncanny that Joe has been good this season for exactly one inning further into games than Sonny has.

Our field staff knows something about their own players? That's unpossible!

Based on these stats, Gray shouldn't even be allowed to come out for the 5th, but if they do he should go 7?

 

[ashbury]

1 minute ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Based on these stats, Gray shouldn't even be allowed to come out for the 5th, but if they do he should go 7?

 

I wouldn't go by a recipe, but there does seem food for thought there.  There's always the danger of small sample size.  Also, past the first couple of innings, you have to guard against a certain kind of bias in the data: if a pitcher is simply having a bad game, it may affect the innings he is in, but won't affect the innings after he's taken out.  So those later innings tend to carry an assumption that he's been doing reasonably well up to any given point.  A better statistician than I might have some tools to correct for that, I don't know.

[TwinsDr2021]

2 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

The constant stream of complaints, even in victory, do make it hard for those of us who want to root for the team and enjoy watching them play to hang out here at times. I'd rather not spend time defending Rocco, the front office, the team (especially when I should be enjoying a win), but when almost every thread about the MLB club gets so negative so quickly, and game recaps are filled with posts basically saying the team won "in spite of X" (where X = whatever the poster finds most egregious about the team that day)...it's not fun. Especially when we're still in first!

I'm super excited about Jose Miranda. He's really playing well and getting comfortable as a big-leaguer. I'm excited every time he takes an AB right now because I want to see what he can do. It would be awesome to have him as the every day 3B for the next 4-5 years.

Before today this team was 1 and 3 (now 1 and 4) and prior to that they were 3 and 3, with two of the wins against the Tigers and the 3 loses to the White Sox. That is is 4 - 7 in the last 11, but 2-7 against anybody not named the Tigers. So I can excuse people for their complaints when generally things haven't changed.

[mikelink45]

4 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Knee inflammation 

Is it okay to be skeptical

[Squirrel]

55 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

Is it okay to be skeptical

I never really know what to think. While it is certainly ‘convenient’, I don’t think teams really do this. If they did, I would think there would be repercussions and the MLBPA would get involved, but I don’t really know. So, better to take it at face value, I guess

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Before today this team was 1 and 3 (now 1 and 4) and prior to that they were 3 and 3, with two of the wins against the Tigers and the 3 loses to the White Sox. That is is 4 - 7 in the last 11, but 2-7 against anybody not named the Tigers. So I can excuse people for their complaints when generally things haven't changed.

Every thread? Even about winning games. Even in draft pick threads? Every thread. Over and over. Which is different than skeptical.... It's the constant complaining. 

[ashbury]

28 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Every thread? Even about winning games. Even in draft pick threads? Every thread. Over and over. Which is different than skeptical.... It's the constant complaining. 

Whatever happened to Mike Wants Wins?  It's like I don't even know that guy anymore. 

[Dman]

While some complain all the time about basically every move and some of the same things over and over I think we need to remember this is a place for Twins fans to express their feelings.  People are expressing what they feel within the boundaries of the sites rules and while I get frustrated with some posters and some comments there are plenty of well thought out informative comments as well.  If the board was just the Twins are great and nothing else there wouldn't really be a need for a site like this.  Honestly there likely wouldn't be any sports fans then because essentially outcomes don't matter so who cares.

Being a fan is about being emotional about your team.  You want "your team" to win and baseball is full of ups and downs and our emotions swing with each win and lose.  Each strike out or game winning HR.  That is what is most often expressed here.  Yes keep it clean and try to stay somewhat even keeled but emotions don't just run one way.  There is going to be some negativity and diverse opinions about ones favorite team.  Sure the best course of action is to stay positive but I guess I don't see a problem when posters have a different opinion or way of looking at things than I do even if it is negative.  That is the way they feel I respect it and move on to the next comment.

[Doctor Gast]

On 7/31/2022 at 12:24 PM, TwinsDr2021 said:

I agree with not wearing out your starters, look at what the Padres did last night they are so dumb, Musgrove pitched 6 innings and 96 pitches and faced 23 batters, that kind of crazy usage will end up with him getting hurt and not being able to pitch in the playoffs, and not be 100% for his next start. /s

Musgrove is a different breed, a real work horse. Not too many are still around, he can  regularly handle those innings. We don't have anyone like him, as far as putting in the innings w/o repercussions,

[Minny505]

On 7/31/2022 at 6:32 AM, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Chief, I agree about questionable management. AJ Pierzynski was the color man on the mlb/tv game last night. AJ also questioned why Gray was not sent out for the 6th inning because the bullpen had been overworked already this year and Gray had had a good, short 5th inning.  AJ also said Gordan should have advanced to 3B instead of stopping at 2B on the Celestino hit to RF. He said there was now way he would have been thrown out. AJ criticized Pagan's errant throw to 1B, saying when you come in a game, you've got to be ready to play. I had not been an AJ fan, he is too abrasive for me. but AJ kept making really good points. I  did not watch the start of the game, so I did not know  who the color man was until late in the game. He also said Gordan may be wearing his pants above his knees in order to get more balls called on low pitches when he is batting. A really interesting point. All in all, AJ really show some keen baseball knowledge. I enjoyed his comments.

Pierzynski is the best FOX national TV broadcast game analyst, right there with CJ Nitkowski. Smoltz needs to get the boot for the lead game of the week and the lead playoff series in favor of one of those two. Their insights are so valuable and entertaining.

It feels like a long time since Mark Grace was a game analyst and AJ is the closest thing to him that I have ever heard. 

Listening to John Smolts is like a half step improvement on Bert Blylevin. The baseball world deserves better. 

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

Pierzynski is the best FOX national TV broadcast game analyst, right there with CJ Nitkowski. Smoltz needs to get the boot for the lead game of the week and the lead playoff series in favor of one of those two. Their insights are so valuable and entertaining.

It feels like a long time since Mark Grace was a game analyst and AJ is the closest thing to him that I have ever heard. 

Listening to John Smolts is like a half step improvement on Bert Blylevin. The baseball world deserves better. 

I like AJ as well. Interesting, at the least. And smart, IMO, without trying to be.

Kind of shocked to be writing this post, but there you go.