Which new 40-man addition will be the first to the Twins

[Squirrel]

Of the 6, I really think this is a 'competition' between three (Sands, Winder and Miranda), but I'm putting them all in. Most will likely say Miranda, but that could depend on a lot of things, because where he plays plays, I'm not sure there's room right now. Someone would need to be traded or someone would have to get injured, and I don't want to predict that. With pitching being our greatest need (imo), there could be more opportunities for a pitcher to get the first call, or even head north with the team.

What are your thoughts?

[Vanimal46]

It’s possible, but unlikely one of Winder, Vallimont, or Sands surprises and makes the opening day roster. As things stand today, Miranda has more opportunity to make the roster as a utility player. Maybe they’ll clear the path more for him if they trade Arraez, Polanco, or Donaldson. 

[gman]

Pitching first. I think Winder has advanced the furthest and may have made the team last season except for injury. Hopefully he is healthy early and makes the roster out of spring training. Not saying he wouldn't get sent down for a while if he has multiple early failures.

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, Vanimal46 said:

It’s possible, but unlikely one of Winder, Vallimont, or Sands surprises and makes the opening day roster. As things stand today, Miranda has more opportunity to make the roster as a utility player. Maybe they’ll clear the path more for him if they trade Arraez, Polanco, or Donaldson. 

This wasn't about being on the opening day roster, because I don't think any of them will. Miranda, maybe, but only if they trade Arraez, imo. One of the pitchers could, but maybe in the bp. But which will be the first to appear with the Twins. I think the pitchers have a better chance of that, tbh, unless, as I said, they trade Arraez and Miranda will slot into his role

[wsnydes]

I would like it to be Lewis, but that's about as likely as the sun rising in the west.  He'll have a lot to prove before getting called up. 

Miranda probably just needs a solid start to the season.  And if an infielder is dealt, he's likely in line to fill that spot.

I wonder how they're going to approach the pitchers.  Will they try to manage their innings in the minors early or just throw them to the wolves right out of the gate?

[Rosterman]

The reality is that none of them will break camp with the Twins in 2022. Depends on the situation for a back-back-end of a rotation arm, but Winder needs minor elague innings, Sands need to pitch in AAA ball, and Enlow will be on the in jury list. Lewis will be in recovery mode. Miranda will be a man without a position unless the Twins move some bodies. And Villamont could break in as a situational lefty, but the Twins already have those positions under wraps. So suddenly we have 1/4th of the 40-man roster not necessaruly on par to help the Twins out of spring training. But there are still 8-11 guys that really could be repalced by anyone with any significant major league experience (Cotton, Garza, Jax, Coulombe, Minaya, Stashak, Tielbar, Thorpe, Cave, Gordon, Rooker). 

[Brock Beauchamp]

I chose Miranda but Winder was a close second.

The reason I went with Miranda is because I think the team either moves someone (Donaldson, Arraez) for pitching help in an attempt to complete or the team trades Buxton, which puts them into full-bore rebuild mode and playing the young guys becomes the obvious decision early in the season.

[ashbury]

I picked a pitcher, nearly at random, since they'll be doing a roster shuffle with the pitching staff all season.   That shuffle will keep each of the new guys under a full year of MLB service time, whereas bringing up a position player right away could (with bad luck) involve him doing very well and necessitating a spot on the big club all season, resulting in a needless loss of a year of control.

[Alex Schieferdecker]

Miranda was certainly closest at the end of last season, and you have to wonder whether service time nonsense will still be applicable next year.

Think Winder will have a shot to make the team out of spring training though. More likely midseason for him.

[Seth Stohs]

I chose Winder... but depending on what happens in the infield, it could be Miranda. 

[tony&rodney]

I chose Winder because he seems like he might be ready. If the trades I want to see unfold (lol) both Winder and Miranda make the Opening Day team.

[Squirrel]

6 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

I chose Winder because he seems like he might be ready. If the trades I want to see unfold (lol) both Winder and Miranda make the Opening Day team.

What trades do you want to see? And don't say Donaldson ... 

If Winder hadn't been shut down last year, we would have seen him, imo. I think he has a better chance to make the opening day lineup than Miranda. But ... it all depends ... 

[4twinsJA]

If new CBA takes away incentive to hold Miranda in AAA long enough to gain another year of control, I will say Miranda. Otherwise Winder, will need help with pitching.

[nicksaviking]

This would be a fun poll to revisit in February after we've seen the rest of the off season plans.

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

What trades do you want to see? And don't say Donaldson ... 

My plan includes Donaldson at 3B with time as needed at DH. Trades? So speculative and reaching, goof around like most of us ... My first plan if Miami had problems reaching a long term agreement with Alcantara was to flood Miami with people in a futile attempt to return him. I never had any real expectation of that and was happy to see he signed. I am wondering if Miami can be coerced into losing Meyer and maybe Cabrera as well. I would offer Garver or Jeffers, Larnach, Vallimont, and Canterino and consider adding another lesser piece for those two. Talent plays. My other trade would be with Oakland and may be seen as ridiculous by some. I want Bassitt and Montas and would later consider trying to keep them. Bassitt is older and may be less expensive. These two would be stabilizers on a young staff. In return Oakland gains some valuable pieces: Luis Arraez, Tyler Duffey, Joe Ryan, Brent Rooker, and a lesser player, perhaps Drew Strotman. This might get the A's attention. Does it seem a little much or superfluous for the other teams? 

Looks something like the below, but the team needs to add a LF (Canha for $12 or Marte for $20 or ?).

Falvey should have options even if mine look silly. Sorry if I answered too long.

[RpR]

Galvis at SS?

A massive hole in the defense.
 

[tony&rodney]

6 hours ago, RpR said:

Galvis at SS?

A massive hole in the defense.
 

Maybe, but not massive for near $100 million. Feel free to substitute another for the same price. What is your plan? 

[TwinsDr2021]

Couple of things, all the pitchers listed (minus Enlow) will/should be on the same inning count as Ober was this year, so I don't see any starting in the MLB rotation, they could make the team out of the pen, but that doesn't make sense either if they believe them to be starters in the future.

As for service time, if the Twins are worried about that with these guys that seems weird, since the youngest is Miranda and he will be 24 in July, the rest are already 24.

(again minus Lewis and Enlow), can't imagine either of them being in Mpls this year.

[Squirrel]

57 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Couple of things, all the pitchers listed (minus Enlow) will/should be on the same inning count as Ober was this year, so I don't see any starting in the MLB rotation, they could make the team out of the pen, but that doesn't make sense either if they believe them to be starters in the future.

As for service time, if the Twins are worried about that with these guys that seems weird, since the youngest is Miranda and he will be 24 in July, the rest are already 24.

(again minus Lewis and Enlow), can't imagine either of them being in Mpls this year.

Why should they be on the same inning count as Ober? While they are likely to be careful, we are a year removed from MiL pitchers not pitching, like Ober was last year, not to mention the numbers of IP was significantly lower

[USAFChief]

I'll go Winder. As of today, he's slotted to start the 3rd game of the season.

[TwinsDr2021]

46 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Why should they be on the same inning count as Ober? While they are likely to be careful, we are a year removed from MiL pitchers not pitching, like Ober was last year, not to mention the numbers of IP was significantly lower

Name(2018,2019,2020,2021)

Winder - 123.2, 125.2, 0, 72

Sands - 75.1, 97.1, 0, 80.1

Vallimont  - 109.1, 127.2, 0, 94

Ober = 75, 78.2, 0, 108.1

I guess I don't see a huge difference with any of them (and not one of them pitched as many innings as Ober last year), I would not expect then to double any of those pitchers innings, Maybe Vallimont could see a jump up to 130-140 innings, but he was also terrible last year in AA.

Maybe the Twins think these guys are old enough that they don't have to worry about innings anymore, and I would be fine with that.

[Squirrel]

16 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Name(2018,2019,2020,2021)

Winder - 123.2, 125.2, 0, 72

Sands - 75.1, 97.1, 0, 80.1

Vallimont  - 109.1, 127.2, 0, 94

Ober = 75, 78.2, 0, 108.1

I guess I don't see a huge difference with any of them (and not one of them pitched as many innings as Ober last year), I would not expect then to double any of those pitchers innings, Maybe Vallimont could see a jump up to 130-140 innings, but he was also terrible last year in AA.

Maybe the Twins think these guys are old enough that they don't have to worry about innings anymore, and I would be fine with that.

Winder pitched over 100 innings his first 2 yrs in the Twins system, and you don't think that's a huge difference, where Ober had never gone over 80? While I think they will limit Winder, especially early in the season, I expect he can/will handle more than Ober did this past season. As I said, we are one more year removed from the lost MiL season, pitchers should do more this year. I get the caution that was used in this past season because they didn't pitch at all in 2020, but this will be 2022 ... Winder already had way more innings under his belt than Ober. And, if he hadn't been shut down this past season, he may have made it up to the Majors already. I think there is a huge difference, here.

[TwinsDr2021]

53 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Winder pitched over 100 innings his first 2 yrs in the Twins system, and you don't think that's a huge difference, where Ober had never gone over 80? While I think they will limit Winder, especially early in the season, I expect he can/will handle more than Ober did this past season. As I said, we are one more year removed from the lost MiL season, pitchers should do more this year. I get the caution that was used in this past season because they didn't pitch at all in 2020, but this will be 2022 ... Winder already had way more innings under his belt than Ober. And, if he hadn't been shut down this past season, he may have made it up to the Majors already. I think there is a huge difference, here.

Hopefully you are correct they will jump the prospects inning a large amount this year. I mean why not it isn't like any of those guys are young from a prospects stand point.

Winder was coming off 86.1 and 107.2 out of college and then 123.2 (combined in 2018 85/38.2), then 125.2 (his only year with a 100 professional innings), then 0, then 72 last year.  and was shut down for shoulder fatigue, if that doesn't scream workload management not sure what else would.

For the most part the Twins haven't jumped prospects innings a bunch from year to year. The college guys pitch a few more innings than they did in the college the next, the high school kids go up by 20-30 a year.

 

 

 

 

 

[Danchat]

5 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Couple of things, all the pitchers listed (minus Enlow) will/should be on the same inning count as Ober was this year, so I don't see any starting in the MLB rotation, they could make the team out of the pen, but that doesn't make sense either if they believe them to be starters in the future.

As for service time, if the Twins are worried about that with these guys that seems weird, since the youngest is Miranda and he will be 24 in July, the rest are already 24.

(again minus Lewis and Enlow), can't imagine either of them being in Mpls this year.

I don’t foresee service time being an issue for any of our prospects - and hopefully the new CBA will fix the issue with the teams abusing the system. 

[Squirrel]

Just bumping this because ... it's getting close  

I'm still going with Winder.

[stringer bell]

Most people weren’t far wrong. Two infielders brought in, two gone, so no real path for Miranda. With probably two additional pitchers on the roster, there’s a chance that either Duran or Winder could make the Opening Day roster. 

[Fatbat]

On 11/21/2021 at 10:11 AM, Squirrel said:

Of the 6, I really think this is a 'competition' between three (Sands, Winder and Miranda), but I'm putting them all in. Most will likely say Miranda, but that could depend on a lot of things, because where he plays plays, I'm not sure there's room right now. Someone would need to be traded or someone would have to get injured, and I don't want to predict that. With pitching being our greatest need (imo), there could be more opportunities for a pitcher to get the first call, or even head north with the team.

What are your thoughts?

If Miranda has a great April in St.Paul, the twins will find a spot for him a n May. Its a big if.  My money would be on anyone of the pitchers getting a shot to see which on sticks on the MLB roster.  They need one to step up or this will be a sub90win season.

[Rosterman]

Josh WInder, only because they will carry 28 guys to open the season.

 

Sad that folks like Moran, Miranda, Celestino, etc. won't make the team. But they need more regular play.