Noah Syndergaard

[Squirrel]

Is it kosher to create 238 burner accounts to give it more likes?

Rhetorical I know ... but no, that is not okay. However, you can unlike it then like it again 238 times.

[Otto von Ballpark]

They also inquired about Mets righthander Noah Syndergaard before being turned off by New York’s high asking price, which included Byron Buxton

While I wouldn't be surprised if the Mets had an unrealistically high asking price for Syndergaard, I wonder about the context of this. It has already been reported that the Twins feel Lewis and Kirilloff are untouchable -- if they told that to the Mets, there probably wasn't much for the Mets to do but ask about a player on our MLB roster, or hang up.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I wonder what the motivation is for the “multiple sources” who told this to LaValle. Or even how serious the Mets were. (“We demand Buxton!” versus “how do you feel about Byron these days?”) Then, how the Mets feel about seeing this in print.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I wonder what the motivation is for the “multiple sources” who told this to LaValle. Or even how serious the Mets were. (“We demand Buxton!” versus “how do you feel about Byron these days?”) Then, how the Mets feel about seeing this in print.

Sure enough, Lavelle was among those who reported 4 days ago that the Twins had talked to the Mets about Syndergaard, and that the Mets were interested in Lewis and Kirilloff:

 

http://m.startribune.com/twins-interested-in-noah-syndergaard-but-mets-asking-price-high/513224672/

 

So reporting this Buxton thing now seems like an effort to deflect from the Lewis/Kirilloff question.

 

In any case, I knew it was a long shot, but my hopes for Syndergaard are pretty much dashed.

[Mr. Brooks]

Sure enough, Lavelle was among those who reported 4 days ago that the Twins had talked to the Mets about Syndergaard, and that the Mets were interested in Lewis and Kirilloff:

 

http://m.startribune.com/twins-interested-in-noah-syndergaard-but-mets-asking-price-high/513224672/

 

So reporting this Buxton thing now seems like an effort to deflect from the Lewis/Kirilloff question.

 

In any case, I knew it was a long shot, but my hopes for Syndergaard are pretty much dashed.

Maybe im missing part of the story, but why does this mean there is some ulterior motive behind this reporting?

 

Couldn't it just be that those are actually what the Mets asked for, and LENIII reported as such?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Maybe im missing part of the story, but why does this mean there is some ulterior motive behind this reporting?

 

Couldn't it just be that those are actually what the Mets asked for, and LENIII reported as such?

Why was there no mention of Buxton when Lavelle and his sources first reported on this four days ago? The Twins and Mets had already talked about Syndergaard at that point, and Buxton wasn't mentioned at all -- just Lewis/Kirilloff. Buxton as a requirement of any Syndergaard package doesn't seem like the kind of thing that could possibly be overlooked, does it?

 

Mind you, I don't think Lavelle has an ulterior motive here -- it's likely his source, trying to paint the Mets as the more unreasonable party. And it's a lot easier to do that by invoking Buxton than Lewis/Kirilloff -- even if the former was only brought up after the latter were denied.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

In any case, I knew it was a long shot, but my hopes for Syndergaard are pretty much dashed.

Agreed.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I don't know, if the Mets get a top 20 prospect like Kiriloff plus a couple more decent prospects (like Javier/Jeffers/Enlow/Thorpe), I have to think they a)consider it strongly, and b)don't get much better than that.

[lecroy24fan]

 

Why was there no mention of Buxton when Lavelle and his sources first reported on this four days ago? The Twins and Mets had already talked about Syndergaard at that point, and Buxton wasn't mentioned at all -- just Lewis/Kirilloff. Buxton as a requirement of any Syndergaard package doesn't seem like the kind of thing that could possibly be overlooked, does it?

Mind you, I don't think Lavelle has an ulterior motive here -- it's likely his source, trying to paint the Mets as the more unreasonable party. And it's a lot easier to do that by invoking Buxton than Lewis/Kirilloff -- even if the former was only brought up after the latter were denied.

I think the answer is simple here. The Mets went and got Stroman to fill a need so they are looking to fill another lead. It's been reported they want an established MLB player so it makes sense.

 

[USAFChief]

Put me in the "skeptical" category over the Buxton report.

 

That sounds pretty "PR-ish" to me.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I think the answer is simple here. The Mets went and got Stroman to fill a need so they are looking to fill another lead. It's been reported they want an established MLB player so tit makes sense.

This "established MLB player" stuff isn't entirely clear either. Some reports just said they wanted a SP to plug in Syndergaard's place (which could even be a guy like Perez?).

 

I am pretty sure if the Padres offered Gore tomorrow, the Mets would forget all about the "established MLB player". Likewise, I think if the Twins had been willing to engage on Lewis/Kirilloff, as was the Mets reported ask 4 days ago, then Buxton's name likely doesn't come up today.

 

(Not to say the Twins should move Lewis/Kirilloff for Syndergaard -- but you have to admit, in PR terms, it's much harder to justify holding on to those two than to hold on to Buxton.)

[Vanimal46]

I wonder what the motivation is for the “multiple sources” who told this to LaValle. Or even how serious the Mets were. (“We demand Buxton!” versus “how do you feel about Byron these days?”) Then, how the Mets feel about seeing this in print.

I think the motivation are discussions never progressed and it's an easier sell to fans to write down the other team's pie in the sky ask than say the truth.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Put me in the "skeptical" category over the Buxton report.

That sounds pretty "PR-ish" to me.

Oh, I'm sure the Mets asked about him.

 

But this entire situation feels like you're listening to every other sentence of a conversation. You can pick up bits and pieces and understand fragments of what is happening, but you're definitely missing key components.

 

I'm still not even clear if the Mets demanded both Lewis and Kirilloff, much less anything about the Buxton talk.

[alarp33]

 

Why was there no mention of Buxton when Lavelle and his sources first reported on this four days ago? The Twins and Mets had already talked about Syndergaard at that point, and Buxton wasn't mentioned at all -- just Lewis/Kirilloff. Buxton as a requirement of any Syndergaard package doesn't seem like the kind of thing that could possibly be overlooked, does it?

Mind you, I don't think Lavelle has an ulterior motive here -- it's likely his source, trying to paint the Mets as the more unreasonable party. And it's a lot easier to do that by invoking Buxton than Lewis/Kirilloff -- even if the former was only brought up after the latter were denied.

 

Well 4 days ago the Mets didn't have Stroman. And they have odd illusions about trading Syndergaard away and contending. For what its worth, the name thrown out in their Padres talks Manuel Margot is also a young centerfielder (not nearly as good as Buxton). And it's been widely reported they are seeking help up the middle thats Major League ready. 

 

I would have cut off talks immediately when they said the name Buxton, but with the Mets can we really rule out that didn't happen?

[gunnarthor]

Reading some of the Mets SBNation forums and they think Buxton, Lewis and Kiriloff would be a nice starting point. 

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/7/26/8931630/mets-trade-rumors-noah-syndergaard-twins-new-york-minnesota-prospects#512442164

[Twins33]

Reading some of the Mets SBNation forums and they think Buxton, Lewis and Kiriloff would be a nice starting point. 

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/7/26/8931630/mets-trade-rumors-noah-syndergaard-twins-new-york-minnesota-prospects#512442164

Do they think the Mets suddenly have Trout? Cause that’s the only player I’d do that for.

[Vanimal46]

Reading some of the Mets SBNation forums and they think Buxton, Lewis and Kiriloff would be a nice starting point.

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/7/26/8931630/mets-trade-rumors-noah-syndergaard-twins-new-york-minnesota-prospects#512442164

We also thought Cody Bellinger and Jose De Leon was a fair starting point for Brian Dozier in 2016. The moral of the story is never listen to fans' trade proposals.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Well 4 days ago the Mets didn't have Stroman. And they have odd illusions about trading Syndergaard away and contending. For what its worth, the name thrown out in their Padres talks Manuel Margot is also a young centerfielder (not nearly as good as Buxton). And it's been widely reported they are seeking help up the middle thats Major League ready.

 

I would have cut off talks immediately when they said the name Buxton, but with the Mets can we really rule out that didn't happen?

I mentioned this in another post, but Lavelle doesn't say or even imply that the Buxton ask was new or part of post-Stroman discussions. Wouldn't that be a pretty important piece of context, if true? At the very least, it would mean the Twins and Mets had revisited talks within the last 24 hours. But Lavelle says generally that "talks for Syndergaard never really progressed" which doesn't seem to fit that timeline. He doesn't refute his earlier Lewis/Kirilloff report, or add to it, which would be new and interesting information; he just ignores it altogether, as if it never happened.

 

Given that the main thrust of this new article was "why the Twins didn't get Stroman", I strongly suspect it was a Twins source trying to spin the talks from 4+ days ago most favorably for the Twins. (Which is totally understandable, but also worthy of our awareness.) Even the newly reported Jays demand for Lewis or Kirilloff seems a bit of a departure from an earlier report by national writer Morosi:

 

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1154889022000340992?s=20

[Otto von Ballpark]

Reading some of the Mets SBNation forums and they think Buxton, Lewis and Kiriloff would be a nice starting point.

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/7/26/8931630/mets-trade-rumors-noah-syndergaard-twins-new-york-minnesota-prospects#512442164

There are also Twins fans on Twitter saying we should trade Buxton. It's worth a chuckle, I suppose, but no further consideration.

[alarp33]

 

There are also Twins fans on Twitter saying we should trade Buxton. It's worth a chuckle, I suppose, but no further consideration.

 

Unfortunately it's too late to make that Buxton trade with Zach Granite being the Center fielder of the future as suggested multiple times by 1 Twins fan on twitter/ twins daily

[Otto von Ballpark]

Unfortunately it's too late to make that Buxton trade with Zach Granite being the Center fielder of the future as suggested multiple times by 1 Twins fan on twitter/ twins daily

Never say never -- pretty sure Zack Granite could be reacquired! Duensing is a free agent so we could do a sign-and-trade.

[redstorm]

 

Reading some of the Mets SBNation forums and they think Buxton, Lewis and Kiriloff would be a nice starting point. 

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/7/26/8931630/mets-trade-rumors-noah-syndergaard-twins-new-york-minnesota-prospects#512442164

 

Holy cow, that thread gave me anxiety...if there is a trade involving Thor (to whomever) there are going to be some extremely disappointed Mets, based off these expectations.

[Mr. Brooks]

Dan Hayes is on KFAN right now saying that the Mets are looking for MLB talent in return for Syndergaard. He's saying it will likely take a 3 team deal for a buyer to acquire him.

 

That would seem to confirm the suggestion that the Mets would have asked for Buxton.

[Seth Stohs]

Ken Rosenthal with a fun little nugget...

 

 

Could a trade be in the works with Syndergaard? Or does Santana have the flu and can't pitch today?Then again, I assumed all along that Syndergaards wouldn't make tonight's start for the Mets either way. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Dan Hayes is on KFAN right now saying that the Mets are looking for MLB talent in return for Syndergaard. He's saying it will likely take a 3 team deal for a buyer to acquire him.

 

That would seem to confirm the suggestion that the Mets would have asked for Buxton.

Dan Hayes, Twins beat writer? I am guessing he shares sources with Lavelle.

 

I don't deny that the Mets inquired about Buxton, but as he was only mentioned by Twins sources well after the presumed discussions took place, the Buxton inquiry was likely after the Mets were rebuffed about Lewis/Kirilloff as originally reported.

 

There has been national talk about a MLB player being a component of a Syndergaard return, but the focus has still been on elite prospects.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Ken Rosenthal with a fun little nugget...

 

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156247819931594755

 

Could a trade be in the works with Syndergaard? Or does Santana have the flu and can't pitch today?Then again, I assumed all along that Syndergaards wouldn't make tonight's start for the Mets either way.

My first guess would be that Ervin Santana might not be good enough anymore to start a AAA game.

[nicksaviking]

 

Ken Rosenthal with a fun little nugget...

 

 

Could a trade be in the works with Syndergaard? Or does Santana have the flu and can't pitch today?Then again, I assumed all along that Syndergaards wouldn't make tonight's start for the Mets either way. 

 

Even if they don't have a deal yet, I'd probably pull him tonight in case something terrible happens which would make it difficult to deal him tomorrow.

[nicksaviking]

If Syndergaard and the Mets' controllable bullpen pieces end up staying put, I"m going to come to the conclusion that all this talk about selling was some kind of weird ploy to hide the fact that they were planning on being buyers all along and after Marcus Stroman.

 

That team looks really, really good. Outside of that messy front office/coaching staff dynamic.

[Otto von Ballpark]

If Syndergaard and the Mets' controllable bullpen pieces end up staying put, I"m going to come to the conclusion that all this talk about selling was some kind of weird ploy to hide the fact that they were planning on being buyers all along and after Marcus Stroman.

 

That team looks really, really good. Outside of that messy front office/coaching staff dynamic.

Maybe not even hiding their buyer status, but just seeing if anyone would be willing to bite on giving up an elite return. A longshot, perhaps, but probably worth a shot with that kind of asset once you're out of the race.

 

It's not like the trade drama could upset their current clubhouse vibe any further.

[Mike Sixel]

Maybe not even hiding their buyer status, but just seeing if anyone would be willing to bite on giving up an elite return. A longshot, perhaps, but probably worth a shot with that kind of asset once you're out of the race.

 

It's not like the trade drama could upset their current clubhouse vibe any further.

This. Acquire Stroman, and see if anyone offers something crazy good for Thor. If not, great, you have a very good pitching staff for next year. They should be dealing Wheeler though....