Alex Meyer called up to LAA

[gunnarthor]

 

Based on this, I suspect that you think that Meyer is a stud also, because he was better than Berrios in Rochester this season, when healthy, and about as bad in the majors, albeit with about a tenth of the chances that Berrios had.

No, b/c I'm able to base it on more than a stat line in a few starts. 

 

I like Meyer and think Molitor really misused him but let's not pretend that this is all on the Twins.  Meyer has been unable to make the changes/adjustments that pitchers need to make.  Putting all the blame on the Twins is foolish.

[insane17]

 

I don't think he ends up being a #2 type, or even very good as a starter, but I hope he does well.

He is our 2016 Twins MVP. But for the efforts of St. Alex, Ricky Nolasco would have still five (?) more years remaining with the Twins. God Bless you young man!  May you and your family prosper forever!

[gil4]

 

 In an apples to cucumbers comparison, 

... They are both fruits, however.

"Bob, don't say a word about this at the office."
​"It's OK, Larry.  They say I'm one, too."

 

 

[Brandon Warne]

 

Nope.  Because Meyer was the only pitcher in the Twins' organization with Ace potential, and they do not grow on trees...  If a healthy Meyer was given the chances that, let's say, Tommy Milone or even Glen Perkins, Scott Diamond and Andrew Albers (yes I am picking on horrible lefty SPs today) have been given and then has proven not to work, it would had been a different story.

They never gave him a chance, plus they messed him up in 2015 (like they messed May up in 2016) by moving him to the pen

 

no, this thread was created on the premise that meyer looked good at triple-a.

 

and in like four innings.

 

he's done that before here. like, even this year. 

[Mike Sixel]

I just find it odd that he was so "injured" he couldn't throw at all in MN, and now just a few weeks later he's in the majors? That's one heck of an odd coincidence. 

[Vanimal46]

 

It's September and a MiLB pitcher got called up.  Alert the media!!

 

 

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[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I just find it odd that he was so "injured" he couldn't throw at all in MN, and now just a few weeks later he's in the majors? That's one heck of an odd coincidence. 

Not necessarily odd.  If the Twins were looking to trade him (or package him in another trade like they eventually did), they had a lot of incentive to avoid surgery, or even just avoiding his arm health worsening. Even if it basically meant shutting him down for a few months while playing it super-cautious.

 

The Angels obviously don't have that kind of incentive.

[Craig Arko]

When is he supposed to pitch?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Not necessarily odd.  If the Twins were looking to trade him (or package him in another trade like they eventually did), they had a lot of incentive to avoid surgery, or even just avoiding his arm health worsening. Even if it basically meant shutting him down for a few months while playing it super-cautious.

 

The Angels obviously don't have that kind of incentive.

 

Fair....for how many months did they bench him for this reason?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

When is he supposed to pitch?

tomorrow afternoon in Oakland

 

http://m.mlb.com/gameday/angels-vs-athletics/2016/09/07/448947?#game=448947,game_state=preview,game_tab=

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Fair....for how many months did they bench him for this reason?

Basically 3 months.  Yeah, it was a long time.  I guess it's fair to characterize that as "odd" even if my guess at an explanation is somewhat correct.

 

In general, perhaps the Twins are just more conservative/cautious with pitchers, although I suspect that caution is probably heightened if they are looking to move on from a player (which their recent history with Meyer suggests was the case, even before his extended absence).

[Craig Arko]

 

tomorrow afternoon in Oakland

 

http://m.mlb.com/gameday/angels-vs-athletics/2016/09/07/448947?#game=448947,game_state=preview,game_tab=

Thanks!

[tobi0040]

 

In my medical opinion, the shoulder issue was caused by "they call me up and sit me in the bullpen for around 10 days" with a hint of "oh good, I get to start - wait, what do you mean you're pulling me in the 3rd inning?" Medically speaking.

 

This is hilarious and sad at the same time.

[tobi0040]

Let me try to explain how poorly run this team is right now.

 

Nolasco should have been treated like a sunk cost and he wasn't.  So the guy literally started 35 more games than he ever should have, ever fifth game.  The only reason why anyone liked this trade was that we would not have to watch Nolasco pitch again. His results should have been enough to make that happen.  We should have never had to give up a higher ceiling arm to do that.

[Thrylos]

 

Let me try to explain how poorly run this team is right now.

 

Nolasco should have been treated like a sunk cost and he wasn't.  So the guy literally started 35 more games than he ever should have, ever fifth game.  The only reason why anyone liked this trade was that we would not have to watch Nolasco pitch again. His results should have been enough to make that happen.  We should have never had to give up a higher ceiling arm to do that.

 

And not only this, but they got Santiago's dead weight back (who might actually be worse than Nolasco's) instead of giving his starts to (let's say) Gonsalves who has nothing to prove in AA or Wheeler whom they desperate need to see in this level

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

3 hitless, scoreless innings for Meyer today, before a leadoff double in the fourth which a reliever allowed to score. 4 BB and 5 K's too. 68 pitches, 37 strikes.

[Vanimal46]

So in other words, he's still a high velocity pitcher who has trouble finding the strike zone. Nice to know things haven't changed. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

So in other words, he's still a high velocity pitcher who has trouble finding the strike zone. Nice to know things haven't changed.

Well, just pitching at all is a notable change in his status from his last 3 months in the Twins org...

[h2oface]

I was more important for Pat Dean and Andrew Albers and some new fat guy from San Fran system to get the ball. Meyer? So old news.

[gunnarthor]

Again, I hope Meyer does well.  It's too late for the Twins and I don't blame Antony for trading him since the bridge was burned by then. 

 

I do think Molitor should have given Meyer as many chances as he seems willing to give Pat Light and not doing so was a huge mark against Molitor.

[PseudoSABR]

 

3 hitless, scoreless innings for Meyer today, before a leadoff double in the fourth which a reliever allowed to score. 4 BB and 5 K's too. 68 pitches, 37 strikes.

Framing. 

 

Only four walks and a double in three innings, wow!

[Shane Wahl]

He will be good for them next year. Not great, but good. 

[Brandon Warne]

 

Framing. 

 

Only four walks and a double in three innings, wow!

 

This was virtually an identical start to what he did in Houston. 

[dgwills]

I never really understood why anyone liked that trade in the first place. At best it was a salary dump that cost us Alex Meyer. Or they let Santiago pitch and we have a slightly better version of Nolasco which isn't going to help this team.

It is likely that Meyer wasn't going to pitch for the Twins after how Molitor treated him though and I'm sure Boras was involved. Hate to see the Twins lose a high upside arm like that, but what are you going to do? I'm pretty sure the new GM (or whatever title they give him) is going to do some house cleaning. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

This was virtually an identical start to what he did in Houston.

So the Angels sent him down immediately after, I assume?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Framing.

 

Only four walks and a double in three innings, wow!

The words "only" and "wow" or their synonyms do not appear in my post. I was just trying to be a little more descriptive than a stat line, not editorialize. But now that I have more time, if you prefer:

 

3.1 IP, 1 H, 1 R (inherited), 4 BB, 5 K, 68 pitches, 37 strikes

 

Gave up a leadoff double in the 4th, retired another batter, then got lifted, after which a reliever allowed his runner to score.

 

Gave up a pair of walks in both the 2nd and 3rd innings, but escaped without runs scoring.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Now my editorial: not a great start, obviously, but somewhat impressive that he so quickly picked up where he left off after 4 months of inactivity. Not predicting future greatness, but still clearly a talent worthy of some innings investment in a lost season.

[mikelink45]

Watching the parade of pitchers stumble through the Twins seasons I find myself questioning pitching coaches.   If pitching coaches can make a difference then why has this team not fired the entire MILB and MLB staff?  It would appear that other teams can prepare their young pitchers to move into the majors and have at least a modicum of success.  I read this about Meyer and look at the ridiculous way he has been handled and think of Berrios, May, Duffey and others then I read about the young Yankee pitchers coming up and doing we, the Pirates new rookie and success stories all over the league with an influx of exciting new players.  The team that has had the number one ranked minor leagues for the past couple years should be seeing the results in more than the batting lineup. They needed to change much earlier and we have to hope that a new system can save some of them because we cannot make up a staff of just free agents. 

[tobi0040]

 

Now my editorial: not a great start, obviously, but somewhat impressive that he so quickly picked up where he left off after 4 months of inactivity. Not predicting future greatness, but still clearly a talent worthy of some innings investment in a lost season.

 

We tried and tried and just could not find any room in our rotation.     

[Platoon]

We tried and tried and just could not find any room in our rotation.

 

Which is in essence a credit to our scouting, acquisition and coaching staffs. Not every team could say that!