Marlins 8, Twins 6 (13 Innings): Horrible Situational Hitting Costs Twins Game, Season

[TwinsDr2021]

10 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Ober - Ryan - Lopez - 3 Rookies - Paddack should be deep enough for Spring Training staff………..I’d highly promote moving Paddack to Pen to join Varland ……..those two with Topa and we’re off to a much better start in ‘25…..,………I think Maki does a decent job - guys are developing new pitches - very high in MLB on staff strikeouts.

Having Festa, SWR, Matthews, and Morris as 4,5,6,7 is a recipe for disaster for next year. Having 25 year old Festa and Mattews starting in the minors looks good for depth but also shows at that age they are not ready. Kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[BillyBallLives]

Even the Umpire was trying to help the Twins out.

 

Tragic # down to 1.

[mnfireman]

Lee was injured to start the season and has 282 PA at AAA, he was rushed due to the injuries and ineffectiveness - who else is getting called up when Correa, Lewis, Miranda, Julien, Farmer, et al are injured and/or not performing, Keaschal was also injured/not available. Maybe an injury free off-season will allow him to work on things.

[bean5302]

3 hours ago, Woof Bronzer said:

...The "blame the fans" theory going around TD is just mind boggling to me...

There is basically no such thing. There are maybe 2 posters who seem to actively blame fans for the attendance woes.
The rest of the site seems to be:
1) It's the Pohlads fault for not being willing to bankrupt themselves over the next decade.
2) It's the Pohlads fault for suddenly backtracking on their financial plan, not holding their incompetent CEO accountable for ineffective marketing which resulted in the poor attendance, and not holding anybody accountable for the crazy TV debacle.

[bean5302]

I was at the game last night through the 10th inning before departing before it got too late for me and a friend. This team is just not very good, but it was a great night for a game for sure. The tiny crowd was also quite electric considering the size. It was really a fun atmosphere, honestly.

[RpR]

24 minutes ago, BillyBallLives said:

Even the Umpire was trying to help the Twins out.

 

Tragic # down to 1.

I coul not believe those calls, had it been a Marlins batter this site would have exploded with negative brouhaha.

[Woof Bronzer]

2 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

There is basically no such thing. There are maybe 2 posters who seem to actively blame fans for the attendance woes.
The rest of the site seems to be:
1) It's the Pohlads fault for not being willing to bankrupt themselves over the next decade.
 

I'm comfortable saying that the Pohlads, who have watched the value of the Twins grow by a billion dollars regardless of how they perform, and who received a half billion dollar handout from fans, would not go bankrupt without a $30mil payroll cut.    

[jkcarew]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

Royals have at least 30% chance to lose 3 in Atlanta - Braves are scratching for each win!

No…unless you believe Atlanta is a 70% probability favorite in every matchup. The Royals will be scratching for a win as well…if the Twins are winning. Baseball Reference has the Twins in playoffs at a fraction over 2% probability. 
 

And based on momentum and body language, that’s probably 2% too high.

[USAFChief]

13 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

I'm comfortable saying that the Pohlads, who have watched the value of the Twins grow by a billion dollars regardless of how they perform, and who received a half billion dollar handout from fans, would not go bankrupt without a $30mil payroll cut.    

The value of the franchise hasn't grown by a billion dollars. 

It's grown by almost a billion and a half.

Bought for $44 M.

2024 Forbes estimate $1.48 B.

[jkcarew]

Maybe not in importance (this is just a wildcard), but in pure magnitude this collapse dwarfs 1967, 1984, 2022, etc.

12-24…12 wins over 36 games! And a collapse this long and this complete, not only is allowed, but deserves, multiple causes of death when the autopsies come in.

Flawed roster

injuries

player underperformance, all phases

bad managing

lack of support at deadline

Something this monumental and complete can’t happen with just one or two things going wrong.

Now…what can be fixed by 2025?

[David Maro]

Hard to know how to run the bases when the plan is hit a homerun.They are coached to swing for the fences and that is all the fans want to see.Then of course just listen to the Clowns in the booth talk about this guy or that guy is he going to be the one hit the homerun.

[NYCTK]

55 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

The value of the franchise hasn't grown by a billion dollars. 

It's grown by almost a billion and a half.

Bought for $44 M.

2024 Forbes estimate $1.48 B.

Could have been a billion more if they didn't suck ass: 

St Louis Cardinals - $2.55 B

Not only do they run it like a business, they run it poorly. 

[Aggies7]

2 of the last 3 seasons have seen a large late season collapse. How you bring back the same staff after what just happened is puzzling, at best.

[Swing Batter-Batter]

13 hours ago, UK Twin said:

If that is indeed the case then Popkins and Maki have to go. Someone needs to be held accountable for this utter farce. Can't blame the Pohlad's for this collapse (well, not entirely). The coaching and managing has been abysmal. The buck should stop with Baldelli. It's his team, he should be the one to be fired. But there are valid arguments for the dismissal of Popkins and Maki (Popkins in particular) instead. The hitting has been largely abysmal with RISP. While the pitching has also gone backwards, Maki may get a pass due to the sheer number of injuries there. 

Our season was on the line and we lost a home series to Miami. Are you kidding me? That is embarrassing. 

As long as we are talking about getting rid of coaches, how about Watkins? I think he about the worst 3rd base coach I have ever seen. 

[D.C Twins]

3 hours ago, bean5302 said:

There is basically no such thing. There are maybe 2 posters who seem to actively blame fans for the attendance woes.
The rest of the site seems to be:
1) It's the Pohlads fault for not being willing to bankrupt themselves over the next decade.
2) It's the Pohlads fault for suddenly backtracking on their financial plan, not holding their incompetent CEO accountable for ineffective marketing which resulted in the poor attendance, and not holding anybody accountable for the crazy TV debacle.

Thank you for the hardy laugh.... The Pohlads couldn't bankrupt themselves on the Twins even if they made it their full time job

[D.C Twins]

If the Twins bring back Rocco... they are going to experience something far worse than disappointment, frustration and anger.....

they are going to experience indifference... by enough fans that it will hurt their bottom line. 

Of course, if the lowering payroll, decreasing performance, fan apathy death spiral continues.... in 2-3 years they will start threatening to move in an attempt to hold the fans hostage.... and then actually move if it doesn't work.... Bank on it

[P Meyer]

A couple thoughts.

1 - Always tough on the fans.

2-It felt like the Twins played to their collective talent, especially at the plate. 

3-In the entire MLB, 163 players registered over 401 at bats on the season. The Twins had Willi Castro, Carlos Santana, and Ryan Jeffers. That just isn't going to cut it.

4-Not sure how much Rocco controls that, but the Twins need better talent day after day.

[Doctor Gast]

12 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

If mice had wings they could fly.

If mice had wings they'd be bats

[bean5302]

 

3 hours ago, P Meyer said:

...3-In the entire MLB, 163 players registered over 401 at bats on the season. The Twins had Willi Castro, Carlos Santana, and Ryan Jeffers. That just isn't going to cut it...

MLB also has 130 players who are qualified as hitters (average 4-5 per team). Only 2 for the Twins. Willi Castro and Carlos Santana.

Last year, only 1 Twins player qualified, Carlos Correa.

Platoon city.

[SAL]

Why no mention of Correa not running out the 27th hit to pitcher?

[tarheeltwinsfan]

14 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

If mice had wings they'd be bats

Just what the Twins needed...some bats.