A Couple of Suitors Definitely Miss Carlos Correa Now

[Schmoeman5]

If the Mets or Giants had made the offer that Correa eventually signed for. Boras and Correa would have declined it. 100 million is a lot of money. They were looking for Turner/Seager/Lindor type money. Minnesota was out. This is NOT where Correa wanted to be. Does this article just happen to coincide with his recent 10 game hot streak? Yeah I'm sure it does. Next year if he's plodding along to the tune of .230 there will be an article asking if the Correa contract was an overpay. Twins are in great shape. They have God at 3rd and the Best SS in the history of baseball.

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

1 minute ago, Schmoeman5 said:

If the Mets or Giants had made the offer that Correa eventually signed for. Boras and Correa would have declined it. 100 million is a lot of money. They were looking for Turner/Seager/Lindor type money. Minnesota was out. This is NOT where Correa wanted to be. Does this article just happen to coincide with his recent 10 game hot streak? Yeah I'm sure it does. Next year if he's plodding along to the tune of .230 there will be an article asking if the Correa contract was an overpay. Twins are in great shape. They have God at 3rd and the Best SS in the history of baseball.

Based on what?

[Schmoeman5]

2 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Reading comprehension. It can be your friend. Did I say that a player had influence over the FO's decision making?

It's 2024. Not 1994. Free agency is anything but a straight line.

Who said I was referring to you? Is your name Some?

[Schmoeman5]

Just now, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Based on what?

Money!

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Just now, Schmoeman5 said:

Money!

Boras and the player's union have a vested interest in his clients chasing top $$$. This happens every winter. There is a reason why these guys go un-signed for so long. It's also a big reason why Boras will lose clients. Correa's chasing the money isn't necessarily indicative of where he really wanted to be. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Falvey and Levine are the spin masters. We see it all the time. They were negotiating with Boras as much as they were negotiating with Ohtani last winter. 

When the deal with the Mets fell through, Boras wasn't pivoting to the Twins on his own accord. His client directed him to do that. And the rest is history.

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Boras and the player's union have a vested interest in his clients chasing top $$$. This happens every winter. There is a reason why these guys go un-signed for so long. It's also a big reason why Boras will lose clients. Correa's chasing the money isn't necessarily indicative of where he really wanted to be. 

Really? If the Oakland A's offered 300 million for 10 years. Where would Correa be right now?

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Just now, Schmoeman5 said:

Really? If the Oakland A's offered 300 million for 10 years. Where would Correa be right now?

Geez. I'm not sure what the disconnect is here. A lot of players are happy with their team and situation and still leave for more money. That doesn't mean the player didn't want to be where he was.

[Schmoeman5]

2 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Falvey and Levine are the spin masters. We see it all the time. They were negotiating with Boras as much as they were negotiating with Ohtani last winter. 

When the deal with the Mets fell through, Boras wasn't pivoting to the Twins on his own accord. His client directed him to do that. And the rest is history.

Spin masters. When those 2 words are spoken I always think of Falvey and Levine. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Just now, Schmoeman5 said:

Spin masters. When those 2 words are spoken I always think of Falvey and Levine. 

You don't think they are very good at creating their own narrative?

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

You don't think they are very good at creating their own narrative?

Before the Giants and the Mets offers came in the Twins were interested in resigning Correa.  Their offer was just what he signed for. The Twins offer was always the highest per year avg. They just weren't willing to give the years. He could have taken that initially if he really WANTED to be here. There is no disconnect. Correa and Boras were the spin masters after the fact with that bs that this is where he wanted to be all along. There were no other options

[mrcharlie]

6 hours ago, LambchoP said:

Crazy to think of where the Twins would be without C4 this year. Imagine if we were rolling with Farmer as our shortstop. Correa will come back down to earth eventually, but man this hot streak has been fun to watch. The fact that he's got amazing protection hitting in front of Lewis should definitely benefit him in the long run. As long as Baldelli doesn't constantly change up the lineup..

This.

It is no coincidence that with the arrival of lewis we see improved play of other Twins... Kepler, Correa and Miranda in particular.  

I agree too with the concern for Rocco's fumbling with the lineup card.  Give the boys time to get comfortable with where they hit is my thought.

[DJL44]

4 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

The contract looks pretty good right now based on the way he's playing and you have to remember two things that make it look even better. First, is making 33.3 million this year and will make 37.3 next year, and then his contract starts going DOWN in value.

Front-loading the contract is probably how the Twins were able to sign him. It is a financial advantage to Correa, not to the Twins. The time value of money means you're always better off paying $1 ten years from now rather than paying it today.

[Fatbat]

Its so nice to have C4 with is in his prime. and his prime could last thru the whole contract and option years. He obviously takes care of himself and is a special talent.  At 29 yo, we have many years to enjoy the show.  Meanwhile, the mets will always suck.  Its not how we start a season, its all about October and we know what C4 and others will be doing this fall. Playing some smashball with a side of smoke. 

[Doctor Gast]

5 hours ago, AKTwinsFan said:

It's time to bring in more youngsters to play alongside him and buxton. The young talent are doing well on the team following Correas lead.

We had a great combination of position players vets & youngsters that helped us to advance in the postseason. The addition of Margot & Santana (even with their recent success) has blocked & taken away precious playing time of our younger superior players (Martin, Miranda & Kiriloff) to improve, IMO subtracted from the chemistry & delayed Keirsey from getting his feet wet.

Our vets (Buxton, Kepler & Vazquez) led by Correa & youngsters (Jeffers, Larnach, Castro, Miranda) led by Lewis with the addition of Julien, Wallner & Kiriloff when they get things right. & impact rookies Martin & Lee. IMO a very formidable force that can do some damage come postseason time.

 

[joefish]

This is the version of CC that we hoped we got. Last year not so much.

But right now, wow! Yes. Love to see him healthy and on the field. Never stop a hot hand. Ride him Rocco. 

 

[KirbyDome89]

I bet they didn't last year, and I doubt they were losing much sleep in April or May this year. This is silly....

[arby58]

17 hours ago, Dman said:

Yeah I agree. Those teams weren't afraid of the short term results which is why they offered the money to begin with. Once they got the medicals and talked to experts a 10 year deal looked like a bad bet.  The Mets offered a modified deal so its not like they were totally out. 

Correa liked the Twins deal the best and here we are.  Still a long ways to go for those teams to be jealous or second guess their decisions.  We'll see how he looks five years out and beyond.  Even then can't fault those teams for mitigating the known risk that was there.

The thing that often doesn't get factored into these 'see what he looks like in 5 years' is what will salaries look like in 5 years? If, as expected, they continue to inflate, even a lesser Correa may still be in line with salaries because of inflation. Things are not static.

[jmlease1]

The Correa deal is working out fine so far. 2023 was a struggle for him because of injury, but he impressively played through it and was awesome in the playoffs, which is something this franchise really needed. This season, he looks like healthy Carlos and he's playing great. Things could always go sideways, but this was definitely a risk worth taking. Locking down SS with a player who can perform on offense and defense is something we've been missing for a long, long time. Having a elite player who we can plug in at SS every day year after year is really something most (all?) Twins fans have never really had. 

I'm thrilled to not be looking for the next SS. I love having a no-fear player like Correa who is so smart and engaged in all aspects of the game. He's a superior hitter, a sure-handed defender, and that arm is fantastic. He's worth it. And I think he'll earn every penny of that contract and more.

I love watching him play. And that's not a small part of it: he's a player you want to see out there. It's great having that part of it too.

[Squirrel]

22 hours ago, Linus said:

I really enjoy watching CC play. I also appreciate that he played thru injury last year while others hit the IL. My only concern with his contract is how it fits in the payroll budget going forward if right sizing is the new norm. 

Too many dislike Correa for this reason. But this is a budgeting issue up to the owner. Correa shouldn’t be blamed for this. (And I know you aren’t doing that.) At the time he signed, we all thought the budget was finally on an upswing and more competitive. It’s not Correa’s job … nor should he … to decide to take less because the owner pulled the rug out from under everyone. Heck, I don’t even blame the FO for this. They signed him when they had more and when they thought they would be working with more. And now they have to figure that into their budget and we can’t put better players around Correa.

As for the question are the Mets or Giants sorry they didn’t sign him? Doubtful. At the end of his contract we will see if they were right or wrong to pass, but doubtful they’re sorry about it. Can’t run a business always second guessing yourself.

i am happy we signed him, though. He is a joy to watch on the field and in the batter’s box. And when games aren’t good, Correa still gives us something fun to watch. He’s a great shortstop, something the Twins haven’t had in a very long time.

[Dman]

6 hours ago, arby58 said:

The thing that often doesn't get factored into these 'see what he looks like in 5 years' is what will salaries look like in 5 years? If, as expected, they continue to inflate, even a lesser Correa may still be in line with salaries because of inflation. Things are not static.

The article wasn't about us liking the Correa deal it was about the Mets\Giants feeling like they missed out. After one pretty poor year and one hot streak and an injury that many doctors didn't feel would hold up long term I don't think they feel like they missed out on guaranteeing 10 to 13 years. Just my opinion though.

Minnesota got what they needed with large short term dollars and a way to cut him loose if his performance declines. This team desperately needed to fill the shortstop hole. So I would say the risk was worth it for the Twins. We'll see how it works out long term.  Maybe they will feel they missed out, but it is way to early to know for sure as the main issue was the years not the dollars IMO.

[arby58]

6 minutes ago, Dman said:

The article wasn't about us liking the Correa deal it was about the Mets\Giants feeling like they missed out. After one pretty poor year and one hot streak and an injury that many doctors didn't feel would hold up long term I don't think they feel like they missed out on guaranteeing 10 to 13 years. Just my opinion though.

Minnesota got what they needed with large short term dollars and a way to cut him loose if his performance declines. This team desperately needed to fill the shortstop hole. So I would say the risk was worth it for the Twins. We'll see how it works out long term.  Maybe they will feel they missed out, but it is way to early to know for sure as the main issue was the years not the dollars IMO.

The Giants are 36-37 and getting very little from the shortstop position. Baseball doesn't have a salary cap, the Giants are considered a 'big market' team, and they have a payroll of over $200 million in 2024 (10th in MLB). They'd look a whole lot more like a play-off team with Correa at shortstop. 

[Dman]

1 hour ago, arby58 said:

The Giants are 36-37 and getting very little from the shortstop position. Baseball doesn't have a salary cap, the Giants are considered a 'big market' team, and they have a payroll of over $200 million in 2024 (10th in MLB). They'd look a whole lot more like a play-off team with Correa at shortstop. 

And it would have looked like a horrible decision last year and we don't know what will happen in future years yet. Look I like Correa but 10 to 13 years is a long time.  You have to weigh all the years before truly knowing if you made the right decision.  The Giants wanted him until the medicals.  We'll see what happens. As of right now today I doubt they regret their decision,

[arby58]

9 minutes ago, Dman said:

And it would have looked like a horrible decision last year and we don't know what will happen in future years yet. Look I like Correa but 10 to 13 years is a long time.  You have to weigh all the years before truly knowing if you made the right decision.  The Giants wanted him until the medicals.  We'll see what happens. As of right now today I doubt they regret their decision,

We'll agree to disagree.  Just about every player will encounter an injury season every few years, and Correa's injury last year had nothing to do with the 'medicals' that you refer to. Meanwhile, Correa has been very good this year, not just during this hot streak. He was also the Twins best position player in last year's play-offs. The Giants . . . nope, no play-offs last year, under .500 this year.

[Riverbrian]

Yesterday the wind was blowing in from the North at around 40 MPH. The Wind blew my car door shut before I got all the way into my car. Trapped my head between the Door and the Frame. It hurt a little bit.  

Today It's a light breeze from the South. It's about 75 Degrees. It Feels real good... going for a walk tonight after work. 

Baseball player assessment is a lot like licking your finger and sticking it in the air.