Orioles 4, Twins 2: Sweeping Away the Misery

[bean5302]

 

3 hours ago, hitterscount said:

Unfortunately, those rankings are accurate and an indictment on how inept the front office and manager are. If the Pohland's have no interest in fielding a competitive MLB ball team,  please sell... there are a lot of rich people out there that would bring accountability and establish some hope and excitement, instead of the excuses in why payroll needed to be slashed. 

If a few more fans would spend a little money to attend the games, payroll wouldn't have been slashed. The Twins are 19th in MLB in payroll at $130MM. The team's payroll is competitive with their revenues, and $130MM was sufficient to field a competitive team.

OAK = $63MM
PIT = $84MM
MIA = $97MM
TBR = $99MM
CLE = $100MM <-- Bottom AL Central in spending, top in the standings.
CIN = $102MM
BAL = $102MM <--- The team that just swept us.
MIL = $106MM
DET = $106MM
WSH = $110MM
KCR = $116MM
MIN = $130MM
CHW = $133MM <-- Top AL Central in spending, bottom in the standings.
 

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

 

If a few more fans would spend a little money to attend the games, payroll wouldn't have been slashed. The Twins are 19th in MLB in payroll at $130MM. The team's payroll is competitive with their revenues, and $130MM was sufficient to field a competitive team.

OAK = $63MM
PIT = $84MM
MIA = $97MM
TBR = $99MM
CLE = $100MM <-- Bottom AL Central in spending, top in the standings.
CIN = $102MM
BAL = $102MM <--- The team that just swept us.
MIL = $106MM
DET = $106MM
WSH = $110MM
KCR = $116MM
MIN = $130MM
CHW = $133MM <-- Top AL Central in spending, bottom in the standings.
 

I'm "right-sizing" my Twins related spending this year.

[Florida Flash]

Like I have posted before. One run, two runs, no runs. 10 K's, 15 K's. Almost as boring as watching soccer.

[twinzcynic]

7 hours ago, LastOnePicked said:

I don't know how Baltimore got to be so good. I've been reliably told that organizational rebuilds don't work.

Indeed; however pointing this out makes you a bad fan so I've been told (mainly from the same commentors who enjoy the hitting approach and think the bullpen is #1 in baseball).

[KirbyDome89]

4 hours ago, bean5302 said:

 

If a few more fans would spend a little money to attend the games, payroll wouldn't have been slashed. The Twins are 19th in MLB in payroll at $130MM. The team's payroll is competitive with their revenues, and $130MM was sufficient to field a competitive team.

OAK = $63MM
PIT = $84MM
MIA = $97MM
TBR = $99MM
CLE = $100MM <-- Bottom AL Central in spending, top in the standings.
CIN = $102MM
BAL = $102MM <--- The team that just swept us.
MIL = $106MM
DET = $106MM
WSH = $110MM
KCR = $116MM
MIN = $130MM
CHW = $133MM <-- Top AL Central in spending, bottom in the standings.
 

Channeling that 2022 DSP energy. 

[SoDakTwinsFan4]

This is reminding me of 2021. High hopes going into the season then....this ****. And I'm sorry but as great a talent as Royce is, he's injury prone. These guys have so much time, youth, & resources they shouldn't be pulling or straining soft tissue this early in the season. And it's just a matter of time before Buxton wobbles over to the Injured list. Yeah, I said it again. 

[Fezig]

Paging Rocco Baldelli. Paging Rocco Baldelli. Dean Evason is on line one. 

[Whitey333]

So now it's the fans fault for the payroll reduction?  Come on that's crazy.  That's like blaming the Pohlads for being rich.  Yes payroll was reduced to allow for a reduction of tv revenues, or so they say.  After the Twins were offered to resign with Bally sports for 85% of previous deal they took it.  Estimates were the reduced amounts were at around 46 million.  Was that restored money put back into payroll?  No.  Also with increased concession prices and ticket prices this year the team went from being the second or third cheapest to go to the ball park to 19 overall.  Baseball used to be affordable.  Its not anymore.  The Twins play lethargic baseball because IMO they have a lethargic ownership group and a management team hired to cater to that group.  In retrospect it sure wasn't very smart to pay Correa, Buxton and Vazquez all that money if you want to keep a cheap payroll.  Very foolish indeed to pay 3 guys nearly 50% of your payroll and left with such glaring holes.  

[TwinsDr2021]

8 hours ago, bean5302 said:

 

If a few more fans would spend a little money to attend the games, payroll wouldn't have been slashed. The Twins are 19th in MLB in payroll at $130MM. The team's payroll is competitive with their revenues, and $130MM was sufficient to field a competitive team.

OAK = $63MM
PIT = $84MM
MIA = $97MM
TBR = $99MM
CLE = $100MM <-- Bottom AL Central in spending, top in the standings.
CIN = $102MM
BAL = $102MM <--- The team that just swept us.
MIL = $106MM
DET = $106MM
WSH = $110MM
KCR = $116MM
MIN = $130MM
CHW = $133MM <-- Top AL Central in spending, bottom in the standings.
 

This is a sarcasm or a joke correct? Did we forgot what happened in 21, 22 and the beginning of 23 when they played unwatchable baseball (finished 23 pretty darn good) and started this season exactly like 21, 22, and the beginning of 23 playing unwatchable baseball? I will add how 19 and 20 ended?

There is a famous line in a baseball movie, build it and they will come, and what the Twins want to say is come and we will build it.

On a different note, Just realized Pablo is only making 8 million this year and next year makes 21, looks likes another super fun off season for the fans.

 

[David Maro]

This team made a pitcher that hasn't pitched a game in the majors in 7 years look like a Cy Young award winner.And some of you say don't worry its early.

[MABB1959]

8 hours ago, bean5302 said:

If a few more fans would spend a little money to attend the games, payroll wouldn't have been slashed. The Twins are 19th in MLB in payroll at $130MM. The team's payroll is competitive with their revenues, and $130MM was sufficient to field a competitive team.

Where did the playoff (attendance and TV) revenue go to, you would think that would be incentive to put a good to great team on the field  

[MABB1959]

49 minutes ago, Whitey333 said:

So now it's the fans fault for the payroll reduction?  Come on that's crazy.  That's like blaming the Pohlads for being rich.  Yes payroll was reduced to allow for a reduction of tv revenues, or so they say.  After the Twins were offered to resign with Bally sports for 85% of previous deal they took it.  Estimates were the reduced amounts were at around 46 million.  Was that restored money put back into payroll?  No.  Also with increased concession prices and ticket prices this year the team went from being the second or third cheapest to go to the ball park to 19 overall.  Baseball used to be affordable.  Its not anymore.  The Twins play lethargic baseball because IMO they have a lethargic ownership group and a management team hired to cater to that group.  In retrospect it sure wasn't very smart to pay Correa, Buxton and Vazquez all that money if you want to keep a cheap payroll.  Very foolish indeed to pay 3 guys nearly 50% of your payroll and left with such glaring holes.  

Love this response!  

[Whitey333]

The biggest frustration for me is that most of the time so far the Twins are not competitive.  Also some of the young players we have been hearing how great they are a not performing at all.  The team wasn't doing well at all in spring training and continued that poor play.  Very poor start to season.  Very boring baseball again.  But we are in the central division.  So even though we have a very bad start there still is hope.  I imagine the fans in Cleveland and Kansas City are happy with their start.  Even the Tigers.  I wonder if they believe games in April don't matter.  I think the extra competition can only help the Twins in the long run.  That is of course if the Twins are serious about being competitive.

[mikelink45]

I was moved by the call for fans to spend more so the Twins can spend more or pocket more depending on their mood.  So I am moving all my retirement into the Twins account - except that I just found out Correa makes more per game than my retirement fund.  Guess I will keep it. 

[TwinsDr2021]

3 minutes ago, mikelink45 said:

I was moved by the call for fans to spend more so the Twins can spend more or pocket more depending on their mood.  So I am moving all my retirement into the Twins account - except that I just found out Correa makes more per game than my retirement fund.  Guess I will keep it. 

The Twins are like professional pan handlers, crying poor and begging for money, and then when they leave in a nicer car than I have and go home to a nicer home laughing the the whole way calling us suckers.

[Swing Batter-Batter]

17 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

The scary thing is the Twins may not be able to feast on weak AL Central opponents that we’ve grown accustomed to in the last 5-10 years. The summer months get long when your favorite baseball team stinks. 

The Twins ARE the weak AL Central opponent.

[bean5302]

2 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

This is a sarcasm or a joke correct? Did we forgot what happened in 21, 22 and the beginning of 23 when they played unwatchable baseball (finished 23 pretty darn good) and started this season exactly like 21, 22, and the beginning of 23 playing unwatchable baseball? I will add how 19 and 20 ended?

There is a famous line in a baseball movie, build it and they will come, and what the Twins want to say is come and we will build it.

On a different note, Just realized Pablo is only making 8 million this year and next year makes 21, looks likes another super fun off season for the fans.

 

It's not a joke. Twins fans have been attending games at a similar rate to the early 2000s Metrodome fans in recent years = Not Good. In general, no fans = no revenue = no spending. That's business.

Colorado Rockies attendance vs. Twins
2019 = 37.0k/game (71-91) vs. 28.4k/game (101-61)*
2020 = (26-34) vs. (36-24)*
2021 = 23.9k/game (74-87) vs. 16.4k/game (73-89)
2022 = 32.0k/game (68-94) vs. 22.2k/game  (78-84)
2023 = 32.2k/game (59-103) vs. 24.3k/game (87-75)*
2024 = 26.6k/game (4-15) vs. 22.4k/game (6-11)
*Playoffs

Rockies fans support their team at a high level and allow for the (idiot) owner to spend more in payroll even though their team hasn't posted a winning record. In case you're wondering about this year's attendance, Coors Field can be awfully unpleasant in April (colder than Target Field for evening games). Twins fans have not supported the franchise well. I see arguments every day on this site about how the Twins should be spending more. The Twins have lost money on a cumulative basis after 2019 and 3 of the past 4 years despite pushing payrolls higher and higher and higher.

Do you know why Rockies fans attend games at Coors Field? It's a great venue which caters towards adults and the overall gameday experience. Personally, I feel Dave St. Peter is at fault rather than fans who literally have no idea how to optimize their game day experience because Twins marketing is pathetic.

In any case, I'm not sure what your requirement is? "If you build it, they will come" is about a stadium venue to watch the games. Target Field is built. It's a nice venue to watch baseball games. It's a nice venue to get out with the crowd.

[bean5302]

11 hours ago, USAFChief said:

I'm "right-sizing" my Twins related spending this year.

Hey, totally your prerogative. I think people should 100% spend their money on whatever makes them happy. If that's attending Twins games and the game day experience, great. If it's classic muscle cars, nice (they're expensive). If it's import cars with giant fart cans, your call (please, please drive someplace other than the parking garage near my house). If it's having a beer and watching the game at a Twins Daily event, sure. If that's a Twins Daily subscription used solely to avoid ads so you're not distracted while posting rage comments about spending, it's how some people will roll.

Meanwhile, Falvey looks desperately for another $5MM has-been/never was, but who was good at hitting left handed pitching in the 6th inning in early evening games when it's a light rain and nobody is on base in 2021 so Baldelli's broken Excel macro spreadsheet can find a platoon for that...

[Blyleven2011]

18 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

The key is good player evaluations & development, which many organizations don't do well, rebuild or not. 

A few number 1 first round draft choices hasn't hurt either  ...

[TwinsDr2021]

50 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

n any case, I'm not sure what your requirement is? "If you build it, they will come" is about a stadium venue to watch the games. Target Field is built. It's a nice venue to watch baseball games. It's a nice venue to get out with the crowd.

My point was this, you basically said come to the games and the Twins will build a watchable and hopefully good team, instead of building a watchable style of baseball so fans will want to come.

That doesn't even take into consideration how many people can't watch the games on TV and learn about the players and build a liking of players or basically being told you are living in the past and probably aren't smart to understand the Twins strategy.

[Blyleven2011]

16 hours ago, Verified Member said:

Do you suppose the hitting coaches are actively trying to do to Julien what they did to Austin Martin and turn him into a power hitter at the expense of contact, or is he just not swinging at strikes? I do not understand how both he and Wallner got so bad, really beyond bad this year so 

In the old days you signed a player and hoped if he was good , that you would get 10 or mores years out of the player , today  I don't think they value any longevity  and careers are shorter as  players are being coached to play another style of baseball  , 

Man did Baltimore out play us with hard contact and discipline  ...

[bean5302]

24 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

My point was this, you basically said come to the games and the Twins will build a watchable and hopefully good team, instead of building a watchable style of baseball so fans will want to come.

That doesn't even take into consideration how many people can't watch the games on TV and learn about the players and build a liking of players or basically being told you are living in the past and probably aren't smart to understand the Twins strategy.

What I was really meaning to say is Dave St. Peter should learn how to market or be replaced by somebody who does so people want to come to the games. The rest would figure itself out. After the abysmal 2011 campaign, 34.2k fans still went to the average Target Field game, and 30.5k fans after the continued horror of 2012, and 27.8k fans even after the trifecta of 2013. Attendance stayed at 27.4k in 2015 even after the team sucked in 2014 for the quadfecta of horrible seasons before.

There's plenty of reasons for people to attend a Twins game at Target Field, and if it's marketed properly, the seats will be filled at a solid clip. It's not being marketed well, and people don't want to go and that is absolutely impacting the Twins' player budget.

[RpR]

39 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

 It's not being marketed well, and people don't want to go and that is absolutely impacting the Twins' player budget.

Bring back Wally the Beer Man and a hot dog and a beer for less than 5 bucks, the stands will be full.

[LastOnePicked]

1 hour ago, Blyleven2011 said:

Man did Baltimore out play us with hard contact and discipline  ...

They did, and it was beautiful. That's the kind of team I want to see at Target Field ... and not just in the visitor's dugout.

[Doctor Gast]

4 hours ago, Blyleven2011 said:

A few number 1 first round draft choices hasn't hurt either  ...

Right but to really take advantage of the #1 pick, you need good player evaluation & then develop them.